President Trump Opens the Door to Suspending Habeas Corpus to Conduct Mass Deportations of Illegals!

[Reagan]

From the article:  

"Trump responded by floating an idea that’s been previously used by presidents Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt: suspending the writ of habeas corpus.

“There are some very strong ways to mitigate it (the injunctions),” Trump replied. “One way that’s been used by three very highly respected Presidents, but we hope we don’t have to go that route.”"     Thoughts?!

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[baddog]

18 hours ago, Reagan said:

From the article:  

"Trump responded by floating an idea that’s been previously used by presidents Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt: suspending the writ of habeas corpus.

“There are some very strong ways to mitigate it (the injunctions),” Trump replied. “One way that’s been used by three very highly respected Presidents, but we hope we don’t have to go that route.”"     Thoughts?!

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I wonder why no liberals have posted on this topic? Lol

I’ll just out this here….

 

[OlDawg]

I’d prefer we go back to the ‘old way’ of requiring a three judge panel at the District Court level to impose a national injunction or vacatur verdict, and use the immigration judge system as was intended. Our Federal Court system isn’t set up to handle thousands of habeas corpus cases for illegal immigrants, and you can rest assured the word is already out to try & flood the system to slow down/halt the immigration crackdown.

Congress needs to act to reinstate the old policy that was around until the late ‘70’s/80’s timeframe, and Roberts needs to get his folks in line. The judge shopping needs to stop, as it’s been shown the Judicial Branch can’t seem to regulate itself. Congress can easily revert to the old policy and restore a little sanity/legitimacy.

I was reading where the Obama Administration had 6 nationwide injunctions. The Biden Administration had 14 policies stopped with a nationwide injunction. Almost all were handled by judges put in place by Republican Administrations (Other than rulings on student loans & the No Evictions effort that was tried & shot down by SCOTUS). Trump has had 59 national injunctions so far (far more than any other POTUS in history), and 92% were District Court judges appointed by Democratic Administrations.

I’d have to find the source again. It was a legal review commission in cooperation with Congressional interest. Congress seems to know it’s a problem. May 15 could be interesting.

For those that argue the other guy wasn’t/isn’t following the law, it’s interesting to note that both the Biden & Trump Administrations are ignoring Federal Law passed by Congress to ban TikTok. Selective enforcement isn’t owned by one Party or the other. The Judiciary is quickly losing what credibility it had. When it loses it all, we’ll REALLY have a crisis.

I’m no fan of EO’s anyway. So, I’m biased in that regard.

[OlDawg]

Not the same article I was reading about nationwide injunctions. But, if you go to the summary it provides the numbers. Doesn’t include the current Trump Administration numbers like I found in the other article. But, shows from start of 20th century through first Trump.

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[UT alum]

On 4/30/2025 at 2:49 PM, Reagan said:

From the article:  

"Trump responded by floating an idea that’s been previously used by presidents Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt: suspending the writ of habeas corpus.

“There are some very strong ways to mitigate it (the injunctions),” Trump replied. “One way that’s been used by three very highly respected Presidents, but we hope we don’t have to go that route.”"     Thoughts?!

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The first two were related to the Civil War and its violent aftermath. The third was related to WWII, and has since been declared a stain on our history. To compare today to those eras is absolutely ridiculous. The Weasel babe just wants his way wahhh wahhh wahhh.

[Reagan]

 

All this winning!   Ramp up the flights out!

[5GallonBucket]

On 5/1/2025 at 5:04 PM, UT alum said:

The first two were related to the Civil War and its violent aftermath. The third was related to WWII, and has since been declared a stain on our history. To compare today to those eras is absolutely ridiculous. The Weasel babe just wants his way wahhh wahhh wahhh.

Why am I not surprised 

[Big girl]

On 5/1/2025 at 5:04 PM, UT alum said:

The first two were related to the Civil War and its violent aftermath. The third was related to WWII, and has since been declared a stain on our history. To compare today to those eras is absolutely ridiculous. The Weasel babe just wants his way wahhh wahhh wahhh.

I agree

[thetragichippy]

On 5/1/2025 at 5:04 PM, UT alum said:

The Weasel babe just wants his way wahhh wahhh wahhh.

Actually he just wants to return all the illegal immigrants that walked in under your boy Biden. 

so far, the courts have pretty much agreed with him......

Why do you only support the laws you agree with?

[CardinalBacker]

7 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

Actually he just wants to return all the illegal immigrants that walked in under your boy Biden. 

so far, the courts have pretty much agreed with him......

Why do you only support the laws you agree with?

I’d be a little less certain if they weren’t already sending people to gulags in foreign countries without any due process… I’d hate to see how bad it gets if they lost what little restraints that are in place now. 

[Reagan]

4 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I’d be a little less certain if they weren’t already sending people to gulags in foreign countries without any due process… I’d hate to see how bad it gets if they lost what little restraints that are in place now. 

You mean "illegal gang-bangers!

Now to the second part of that sentence:  As it stands right now, I'm not sure illegals ( which means they broke our laws right off the bat) are subject to our due process laws.   I'm gonna keep checking.

[thetragichippy]

12 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I’d hate to see how bad it gets if they lost what little restraints that are in place now. 

I bet it won't be as bad as what happened under Biden when there were "little restraints" keeping folks from invading our country. 

Just a question - if I sneaked into China, Mexico, ANY country illegally and was put in jail.......would you blame the Country or me for breaking their laws? 

 

[LumRaiderFan]

11 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

I bet it won't be as bad as what happened under Biden when there were "little restraints" keeping folks from invading our country. 

Just a question - if I sneaked into China, Mexico, ANY country illegally and was put in jail.......would you blame the Country or me for breaking their laws? 

 

Only if Trump were President of China, Mexico or ANY other country.

And that’s the truth.

[CardinalBacker]

21 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

I bet it won't be as bad as what happened under Biden when there were "little restraints" keeping folks from invading our country. 

Just a question - if I sneaked into China, Mexico, ANY country illegally and was put in jail.......would you blame the Country or me for breaking their laws? 

 

So you understand that if habeas corpus is suspended, NOBODY has rights to due process, right? 
 

When habeas corpus is suspended, the executive (or any branch) can throw you in jail for anything, without charges, without a conviction…. Nothing. And you have zero rights until “the invasion” is over. 
 

Speak out against the supreme ruler? Imprisoned with no rights. No trial, no bond, no indictment-just imprisoned. A “political prisoner” if you will. 
 

The last time it was done was during the civil war when Washington DC was in danger of being overrun during the civil war. 

[thetragichippy]

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

So you understand that if habeas corpus is suspended, NOBODY has rights to due process, right? 
 

When habeas corpus is suspended, the executive (or any branch) can throw you in jail for anything, without charges, without a conviction…. Nothing. And you have zero rights until “the invasion” is over. 
 

Speak out against the supreme ruler? Imprisoned with no rights. No trial, no bond, no indictment-just imprisoned. A “political prisoner” if you will. 
 

The last time it was done was during the civil war when Washington DC was in danger of being overrun during the civil war. 

It was also suspended in the years following the Civil War, during the Reconstruction period, to quash rebellions by the white supremacist Ku Klux Klan group. If it can be suspended for US Citizens (KKK), why not for people who have crossed our borders illegally?? 

It has been suspended 4 times

[baddog]

Here's a more detailed explanation: 

• Judicial Review:

  The court then reviews the legality of the detention and can release the person if the detention is found unlawful. 

   

• Importance:

  Habeas corpus is a cornerstone of the rule of law, protecting individuals from unlawful detention and ensuring their right to due process. 

   

• Examples:

  It can be used to challenge the legality of an arrest, a conviction, or even a mental confinement. 

   

• Historical Significance:

  Habeas corpus has deep roots in English common law and is considered a crucial protection against government overreach. 

   

• Limitations:

  While generally protected, habeas corpus can be suspended in cases of rebellion or invasion, but only in the most exceptional circumstances, and only if the public safety requires it. 

• Definition:

  Habeas corpus is a legal writ (a formal written order) that compels authorities to produce a person they are holding and to justify their confinement. 

   
• Purpose:

  Its primary purpose is to ensure that no one is held in custody without a legal basis. 

   
• Process:

  When a writ of habeas corpus is filed, a judge can order the custodian of the detained person to bring them before the court. 

   

[CardinalBacker]

It’s not just suspended “for aliens” of “for the KKK.”  
 

It’s suspended for EVERYBODY. They can throw you in jail for no reason (possibly in a third-world country) and you have no rights. None. And some fed prosecutor will say “yeah, but Hippy supports the immigrants so he has no rights.” 
 

Kinda like what’s happening to that guy sitting in prison in El Salvador right now after doing NOTHING. 

Did you see where the DOJ is going after Comey for posting a picture of some seashells that spelled out “86-47” as an assassination attempt on Trump? Noem announced last night that the secret service is investigating it as a threat.  

 

The same DOJ that decided beating Capitol police officers, ransacking the Capitol, and storming congress is constitutionally protected free speech…

 

Y’all need to wake up. Just because you like the guy who’s destroying our rights doesn’t mitigate the fact that’s he’s threatening every single American with his assault on our basic right to due process.  

This is serious business and this administration is out of control. 

[thetragichippy]

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

It’s not just suspended “for aliens” of “for the KKK.”  
 

It’s suspended for EVERYBODY. They can throw you in jail for no reason (possibly in a third-world country) and you have no rights. None. And some fed prosecutor will say “yeah, but Hippy supports the immigrants so he has no rights.” 

Can you give some examples of misuse the other 4 times it happened. 

Trump has been wounded in one of the two assassination attempts...IT SHOULD be investigated. I wish they would raid his house like they did with Trump. They did it JUST for show. Anyway, before Trump, most Americans thought threats to a President should be taken seriously......you would think a previous FBI director would know better.....

[CardinalBacker]

41 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

Can you give some examples of misuse the other 4 times it happened. 

Trump has been wounded in one of the two assassination attempts...IT SHOULD be investigated. I wish they would raid his house like they did with Trump. They did it JUST for show. Anyway, before Trump, most Americans thought threats to a President should be taken seriously......you would think a previous FBI director would know better.....

Partisanship breeds stupidity. 
 

We’re not under an invasion. There’s no need to suspend habeas corpus, other than the fact that courts of law keep saying “you can’t do that” whenever the Trump admin does something unconstitutional.  That’s why he wants it done. 
 

Just imagine for a second that your kid is away at college. There’s a protest held on campus and your son is falsely identified as protesting that day. Your child is thrown into jail, possibly overseas, and there’s literally nothing that can be done to secure his freedom.  No charges, no indictment, no conviction, no bond. No chance for release until the “invasion” is over and habeas corpus is reinstated. 
 

Would you be bothered if your child was in prison being raped and beaten on a regular basis, all because of a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe, God forbid, he was exercising his First Amendment right to free speech by arranging some seashells in the form of “86-47” and goes to prison without being charged because of an imaginary invasion. 
 

I’ll repeat what I’ve said all along. The Ds were wrong when they weaponized the legal process to  “get” Trump. But not all of those charges were false accusations, either. There was a basis for an investigation. 
 

As expected, the Rs returned to power eventually and now they’re turning it up a notch or two… and Rs are applauding since it’s working in their favor this time, they don’t mind. But as sure as the sun comes up on the east, the Ds will return to power and you can bet that things will only escalate further. 
 

If imprisoning citizens whose political views don’t match republican views is fine with you, where should it stop. Is it okay to execute people with opposing views for “treason” if they don’t agree with the party in power acceptable, too? Because that’s the next step. If we continue to escalate our political warfare against each other. 

[thetragichippy]

6 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Partisanship breeds stupidity. 
 

We’re not under an invasion. There’s no need to suspend habeas corpus, other than the fact that courts of law keep saying “you can’t do that” whenever the Trump admin does something unconstitutional.  That’s why he wants it done. 
 

Just imagine for a second that your kid is away at college. There’s a protest held on campus and your son is falsely identified as protesting that day. Your child is thrown into jail, possibly overseas, and there’s literally nothing that can be done to secure his freedom.  No charges, no indictment, no conviction, no bond. No chance for release until the “invasion” is over and habeas corpus is reinstated. 
 

Would you be bothered if your child was in prison being raped and beaten on a regular basis, all because of a case of mistaken identity? Or maybe, God forbid, he was exercising his First Amendment right to free speech by arranging some seashells in the form of “86-47” and goes to prison without being charged because of an imaginary invasion. 
 

I’ll repeat what I’ve said all along. The Ds were wrong when they weaponized the legal process to  “get” Trump. But not all of those charges were false accusations, either. There was a basis for an investigation. 
 

As expected, the Rs returned to power eventually and now they’re turning it up a notch or two… and Rs are applauding since it’s working in their favor this time, they don’t mind. But as sure as the sun comes up on the east, the Ds will return to power and you can bet that things will only escalate further. 
 

If imprisoning citizens whose political views don’t match republican views is fine with you, where should it stop. Is it okay to execute people with opposing views for “treason” if they don’t agree with the party in power acceptable, too? Because that’s the next step. If we continue to escalate our political warfare against each other. 

Dude, you are going to the EXTREME.....you said a LOT of words but did not answer my simple question, so I will ask it again......

Can you give some examples of misuse the other 4 times it happened. 

Oh - and I raised my son to be smart - He would not be caught in a protest and go to jail. It's always the ones that refuse to leave that go to jail, not the majority of people protesting. He knows to not draw attention to himself.  I drank at the beach when I was under age. I NEVER got caught, because I wasn't the idiot in the back of the truck yelling and screaming and drawing attention to myself......I was too busy talking to girls trying to get them to go for a ride in my mustang......

[thetragichippy]

12 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

We’re not under an invasion.

We were not under invasion when they used it during the KKK.....

6 million illegals came in under Biden administration...... It is not a stretch to call that an invasion 

[CardinalBacker]

42 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

We were not under invasion when they used it during the KKK.....

6 million illegals came in under Biden administration...... It is not a stretch to call that an invasion 

Yes, it is a stretch when the Biden administration gave them asylum and they have a legal basis for being here. Now, I certainly disagree that 6 million people needed asylum.  The Ds wanted them here for political purposes. But to turn around and label that an “invasion” after they were legally allowed in, just so that the administration can suspend the civil rights of people here in America is just ludicrous. 
 

But what’s even more ludicrous is the fact that the same people who see people who immigrated here legally by way of the Biden admin’s laughable immigration guidelines is only made more ironic because those same people who see “an invasion” say that it “wasn’t an insurrection” because the Capitol police allegedly let those Trumpers in to desecrate the Capitol and attack the Congress. 
 

That’s the question-how is it “an invasion” when those seeking asylum did so legally? 

It’s not an invasion 

 

[thetragichippy]

14 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

say that it “wasn’t an insurrection” because the Capitol police allegedly let those Trumpers in to desecrate the Capitol and attack the Congress. 

It was not an insurrection because of several reasons, but there was no plan - so it is better called a riot 

[baddog]

All the bleeding hearts like to think that 20 million migrants innocently came here seeking the American dream. It was all a planned invasion. Anyone who thinks differently must have …..for brains. It was all done to maintain power by changing the electoral voting…..but that’s another thread.

DHS is trying to root out the bad guys first. Democrats, the resistance party, want to protect them because they also imported chaos in our cities. They thrive on chaos. It’s the communist way…..divide and conquer. They also hate capitalism, which is why they go after our billionaires, except for the ones who donate to them. They can’t survive in a capitalistic society so they enter politics where they steal our money while keeping their flock in lockstep. Funny, they hate capitalism but they love the stock market, which is the epitome of capitalism.

Does anyone realize how many enemies crossed our borders? They caught lots of them attempting to cross. Even Mayorka’s regime caught terrorists at the border. The scary part is the catch and release of these known terrorist and the thousands of gotaways. These terrorists have shown they are no match for our military so the backstabbers have to try a different route. Assimilating with the caravans of invaders and sneaking into our country is almost a foolproof plan. There is no way of knowing how many are here. A dirty bomb would be devastating, but no one cares about things like this until it’s too late. We let the 9/11 terrorists in our country on tourist and student visas. They attended flight training schools, and attacked the WTC, killing over 3000 innocent people. Yes, they are very organized. They are just chicken-%*^@.
Bleeding hearts seem to concentrate on the one student who gets caught up in the chaos, the one gang member who got deported (boo hoo), and NEVER giving a damn about the masses. Let one of these illegals kill one of your loved ones and then let me hear your cries for due process.