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[quote name="ST413" post="720575" timestamp="1259548174"] I was wondering if anyone in the Woodville area is having a slow year seeing deer.  This season has been bery slow where I hunt, not seeing near as many deer as in the past. [/quote] My lease is in Chester about 15 miles out of Woodville. We have taken more big bucks than any other year but really haven't seen much else. We usually see three times as many deer but get less shooters. This year the sightings are way down but our kills are up. Lucky?

I can get rid of the fat but not the stench of an old boar.

[quote name="Tiger90" post="718918" timestamp="1259376776"] Talk about hard to haul out of the woods. :o [/quote] Coyote bait.

Y'all are doing a good job then if you keep the ratio right. That should lead to some better deer in the herd and more big bucks.

[quote name="643" post="717419" timestamp="1259161582"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=61839.msg717339#msg717339 date=1259126348] we found our first scrape saturday.  i'm not sure why they're starting so late.  we went back sunday and it was much larger.  i had a borderline 8-point come out in front of me saturday morning, and actually had does come out to him.  he seemed much more interested in the corn on the ground than he did in chasing the does.  [/quote]Where are you hunting?? Here a cpl of miles West of Lumberton the main Rut is OVER no question about it, I go EVERY day, have been finding and watching scrapes since late Aug, just yesterday I looked at 5-6 and none have been worked since before the rain 2+ weeks ago. We too have taken 6 does to date and all have been bred, one of which was taken the first week and had a 2-3" fetus, I'm sure we will take 10 or so in the comming weeks, surely most will be bred, but my mission is to pick the 'baron does' out of the herd. IMO if your wanting to hunt the Rut go SOUTH or WEST [/quote] Must not have many does if they are all bred.

[quote name="bullets13" post="713112" timestamp="1258743593"] i'm going back tonight to try my luck again.  i gotta new gun to play with, so that's going to make the trip good whether i see anything or not :) [/quote] What is the new gun/setup?

I don't remember ever making a shot to write home about. All of my deer kills have pretty much been broadside or quartering shots at 100 yards or less. I may have made some long shots on ducks back in the day but none specifically come to mind. I do remember making a head shot on a rabbit at about 60 yards or so with a .22 rifle and no scope or rest. Easy shot as the rabbit was in the open but just long for open sights.

[quote name="dub" post="712298" timestamp="1258660219"] Lots of doe's.  No bucks. [/quote] Sounds like plenty of good eating.

[quote name="Bobby Light" post="710331" timestamp="1258428122"] VB maybe u got an old DPS officer, he may've still been in that state of mind.   ;D [/quote] A road soldier becoming to be a possum cop?

I got the joke.... that's why I followed up with mine.  :D

It is simple, the best team won. To think that Crosby yawned its way through the game though is ludicrous. Nederland gave up about 300 yards on the ground... but Crosby gave up 300 yards in the air. Is there a difference? Crosby gives up 3 touchdown passes to the 4th string quarterback that is really the starting defensive end and wasn't the quarterback until 4 games ago. While some may mistakenly claim that Crosby had its second string in near the end of the game, Nederland came into the game with half of its second string on the field. The best team won and should be congratulated but Nederland put up a valiant effort. All that you can do in any endeavor in life is to give it your best and the Bulldogs gave it their best. For that, they should be congratulated.

[quote name="YankeeDawg" post="708688" timestamp="1258292197"] Isn't that vehicle profiling??   Call a lawyer!!   ;D [/quote] And what? The vehicle has the right to remain running, if the vehicle gives up the right to remain running it has the right to a mechanic, if the vehicle does not pick a mechanic then one may be appointed for it and the vehicle can stop the repair at any time.

[quote name="smitty" post="708336" timestamp="1258252671"] Whats was the yardage gained by Neds offense?  And what was the yardage gave up on defense?  Anyone have any figures? [/quote] According to the Houston Chronicle: 308 yards of total offense 17 first downs

[quote name="scooter!" post="700163" timestamp="1257571166"] i hate to say this cause i picked WO-S to win state this yr. Coldspring by 7 hope i'm wrong but....we'll see [/quote] Pretty good call.

Defensively, Nederland gave up an average of 371 yards a game in the first 5 games and 298 yards a game in the second 5.

[quote name="EX-Ceauxch" post="707295" timestamp="1258187041"] Maybe if we had stats in REDZONE effencity and turnover ratio that might explain it. [/quote] If I counted correctly, Nederland is -9 on turnovers for the year. They key though is which games and it was a huge difference between the first 5 games and the second in both turnovers and offense. First 5 games Nederland had a 1-4 record. They were -12 in turnovers and had an average offense output of 175 yards per game. In the second 5 games Nederland had a 4-1 record. They were +3 in turnovers and had an average offense output of 313 yards per game. It was definitely a tale of two seasons but the averages are brought pretty far down by the dismal showing in the first half of the season.

[quote name="ranchhand 79" post="705908" timestamp="1258127381"] [size=10pt][b]I do understand where you are coming from spoonbill. A lot of public and private lands will be hurt for possibly several of years until the herd as a whole matures[/b][/size]. I hunted for years growing up on a lease where if you see horn, shoot. Not only that, the pressure was intense (too many hunters, overkills, poaching, etc.). If you killed something around 16", it was a "Monster". Well, when they finally let some walk, they kill 18-20" regularly now, by putting age on them. That is the point of this regulation. Additionally, Public or private, poaching will always be a problem. I have family that have done it in the past, and still for the life of me can't figure out why, I have a family of four, and we barely can eat 2-3 deer a year and we eat it a lot. BUUUUUTTTTTT, I guess I get my opinion on all this due to the fact, if I don't kill something for meat, I can always go to market basket. I take pride in watching a herd mature. I always say, I am a hunter, not a killer. But again, I can see many people's frustration on this, because for some, it could take years to get a mature group, and we all no, a lot of places in east texas seem to be missing genetics, or they haven't gotten old enough for us to see them. [/quote] The whole herd that is at least yearlings, will mature in two years. That is assuming that every deer older than 1.5 years old has been killed. A normal buck fawn should be outside his ears within three years. Got to start somewhere.

[quote name="sportshustler" post="705430" timestamp="1258075407"] okay honestley i think yall are all dumb.. and if i had to chose and ones side on this it would be happyhour4's.. i understand where he is coming from and why is Bucof2010 acting like he knows everything? [/quote] So you think that antler restrictions were only put in so they could find another reason to give tickets? They walk among us.............

AK's are okay for deer if they are as wide as a barn or less than 30 yards away.  :D

.... of course, being a peace officer, you know that...right?  :D

[quote name="happyhour4" post="705374" timestamp="1258072250"] actually i am a game warnerand those tickets get written all the time and i think its dumb..... so quit acting like you no everything  :-* [/quote] Right.... and I have the Statue of Liberty in my back yard for sale. Also, impersonating an officer is against the law.

[quote name="happyhour4" post="705344" timestamp="1258071124"] i would like to no how is it stupid [/quote] It is stupid to think that the new law was put into only certain counties in order to get game wardens to write more citations. To disagree with a law is no big deal. To think that the only reason a law is enacted is to issue tickets is living a silly argument.

[quote name="bearbryant" post="705316" timestamp="1258068299"] I don't know a single hunter other than outlaws that practice the "kill everything that moves".  Most leases here (every one I've been on) have had some sort of management program on it.  Some people here act as if people in East Texas don't know a thing about hunting at all. A bit arrogant. East Texas isn't south Texas which is littered with high fences, tame bred deer, and canned hunts.  [/quote] Kill everything that moves is an oversimplification of, kill anything that is legal... which usually means the first deer that comes across your path. I have friends that hunt on such leases and I hunted on such a lease (the same one I am on now but we quit that four years ago) and I can guarantee that a substantial percentage of public hunters use such practices. If it is a buck, it is legal per lease rules. Notwithstanding some bucks are culls, a majority of them are not and need some kind of protection that they aren't getting now.

[quote name="spoonbill" post="705240" timestamp="1258062406"] so..what happens to those basket rack bucks? do they just go away? they stop breeding? any moron should be able to tell a 1 1/2 yr old 4 pt from a 4-5 yr old basket rack buck. this rule is to protect the deer from the people that shoot everything that walks by. well....guess what? those people weren't that ethical before. what makes you think they will be now? they're gonna do what they do no matter what. this is just another liberal rule/law put on people because they can't take care of themselves. let the government make decisions for us like healthcare. the only people that it affects are the poor people that hunt on free land because that's all they can afford. most people on leases have been using their own management practices for some time. we pay the money and want to see the payoff for it. i can't stand it when the government makes decisions for the people because they think the people are too dumb to make decisions for themselves. this topic splits directly based on paid leases vs. public land. people on leases like it because they were basically doing this anyway. people on public land were already limited by rules and now are limited even more. how can you kill does, does, does if you don't have a permit on public land? it doesn't affect me, but i know it does affect some friends on public land. [/quote] You can never stop poachers or idiots. If that is a standard to set laws by then lets do away with seasons and bag limits. To compare AR to those people is foolish at best since they go by no rules anyway. Yes, this rule is to protect the deer from the people that shoot everything that walks by but a majority of hunters go by the rules. They might not like them but they go by them even if the only reason is to keep from being caught. I completely disagree with people using their own management practices for some time... that is unless you call kill anything that moves as a management practice. You say that you can't stand the government making decisions for you. Great but everything we catch or kill is a decision made by the government assuming you want to hunt or fish legally. Specks have to be 15" to keep. I would bet there are a lot of people that wish it was 13". Well the government has made a decision. The limits you have on deer each year, regardless of AR, is a regulation where the government has made a decision for you. Your lease might be overrun with deer but the only way to take more of them off than you are allowed on your license is to get more hunters or go to a management program like MLD. I agree with the does on public land deal. Of course, unrestricted killing of does on public land might result in them going the way of the buffalo. I think the state should do their surveys and issue doe permits, if even by drawing. As far as bucks on public land, the reason they only see and kill 1.5 year old deer is because they are in competition with the guy 400 yards away that is going to kill whatever is legal. You might as well shoot the 1.5 year old 4 point because if you don't, the guy on either side of you will. Public land is where this will have the biggest impact. A couple of years from now, maybe the public land hunters will have something to look forward to other than a spike.

[quote name="rollinac" post="704997" timestamp="1258044310"] No one know's who's fault it was but you see the news jumped all over it and has already declared the "guilty" party.  From the news report, I never would have known the history of the kid involved or the FACT that there are inconsistencies with the ISD cop.  Who has more to lose??  The cop who beat the kid or the coaches who are "covering for one of their kids?" [size=10pt][b] Makes you wonder who has the greater incentive to make sure the tape was deleted...[/b][/size] [/quote] Maybe it is all of them and it is a conspiracy. The cop covers up the beating, the coaches cover up the stabbing and they all cover for each other.....    ;D