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18 minutes ago, whsalum said:

I personally think kids should play high school sports where they live . It eliminates chasing programs and the attempts to follow coaches or programs. If a family decides to go to a private institution in search of a better education I can certainly respect that. If said transfer allows you to play for your dad that’s even better. My question would be did the academics suddenly deteriorate at said institution ? Does dad no longer coach where the young man attended school? Has anything changed at the UIL district where the player resides ? I personally don’t care one way or the other but I can see where there would be questions. I will say it was a lot more fun watching HF last year than it has been in the past few years. 

Tekoa Academy is a STEM school. Maybe he decided that wasn't the route he wanted to take. Whatever reason was given shouldn't have been challenged in my view as it's a private charter school, not an ISD one. That reason alone should be good enough. More opportunities and programs 

25 minutes ago, whsalum said:

I imagine every transfer is scrutinized these days.

Only HF it seems. There has been others, but it does look as if some want to control the flow of talent only to specific schools in the district. They have no problem with kids leaving HF to go to other schools, just when they come back apparently lol. 

26 minutes ago, Yeoj said:

So each individual transfer isn't based on its own circumstances? The number of move ins shouldn't matter. That would be ridiculous. 

I would be willing to bet my entire paycheck that if he was a trash player or irrelevant on the scene, no one would say a thing. Just like they didn't challenge the transfer of HFs leading scorer last year because he was an unknown that hadn't played organized basketball before. Now all of a sudden he's relevant to the argument because he turn out to be coachable and athletic. Smh

1 minute ago, Hooohead.com said:

I thought Tekoa was a private school?

It is a private charter school. No UIL affiliation at all

4 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Maybe the DEC wanted a reason for now wanting to attend Hamshire-Fannett.

Look at it from their perspective.

Student attends an academy for most of his adolescent life. Most parents send their children to such schools for the academics or environment. They chose it to be better than public schools which is their right.

Now the young man chooses to attend a public school who just happens to have a new coach. Why wasn't HF considered before this coach arrived? Has the academics and environment at the private school changed? Have they dismantled their athletic program?

These and other questions is what the DEC wants to know about. Based on the answers they received and the research of those answers, it was deemed a transfer for athletic purposes.

Based on the recent activity, I can see where a DEC would have red flags.

I don't think it is personal and I surely don't think it's racial. I know the coaches and AD's in that district. That's not their motivation.

 

And to answer your question above, I would have allowed the transfer.

I can see that as part of the thought process. I just never heard of a kid being denied leaving a private school to go where he is zoned to. I can see frowning upon those who don't live there and transfering in, but not denying a kid who does. UIL should overturn this. That would be telling the parents that their kid can't take advantage of the opportunities at the school they pay taxes to. 

If a kid has proven he has lived in the district, went to school in the district before, and is coming from a private school to finish high school, would any of you vote against him? That's the real question here folks. I don't know about the previous kids at all or their reasons, but their situations shouldn't be the factor to base a vote on this kid. Based on the facts of his residency, prior attendance in HF school district, and coming from a private school, would any of you vote against him?

1 minute ago, whsalum said:

I don’t have access to the particulars of this case but I can bet my bottom dollar that district superintendents and athletic directors didn’t vote against eligibility based on rumor. 

The only particular that matters is that he is from the district area and coming from a private school where his dad works. What UIL rule has he broken? How is he leaving a private school to go to a school he's zoned to any different from the others that has done the same? Keep in mind his residency wasn't an issue at all my friend so they simply voted against him based on their own feelings and not the facts. 

45 minutes ago, Southeastxsports2020 said:

Yeah I hear ya but it doesn’t look good having that many move ins, you have to put a stop to it, it’s against uil rules, these guys are coming to Fannett for a  reason!!! Seems to me they are coming to play basketball.  If you leave it alone then it’s going to keep happening.

Doesn't matter in this last case as he could transfer for whatever reason he wants as he has lived in the district while attending a private school. I can't speak for the others, but one did sit out due to UIL rules so that means the others live or moved into the district. But they did come from another UIL school so yeah that is a little different. The kid from Tekoa isnt in that same category as he is from the HF district and was going to a private charter school where his dad works. He's just going back to finish at HF. What rule has he broken?

6 minutes ago, Southeastxsports2020 said:

Seems like because they have had 4 move ins in a year span and it looks fishy so they are putting a stop to it. I mean those are a lot of move ins in that span and they are all very good basketball players 

That's understandable but they laid on a sword with this one. Should have left this one alone in my opinion. It doesn't look good on their part and if the UIL upholds it a precedent will be set that a kid who attends a private school will not be able to transfer to the ISD school they are zoned to and play varsity sports. That will be huge!

1 minute ago, Southeastxsports2020 said:

By reading all of this it looks like they are hammering Fannett for having 4 new move ins in a year span and that seems like recruiting to me but who knows, you never know what with uil. Kelly is private school so it’s a easier process transferring to a public school usually won’t get to much flack for that.

So is Tekoa my friend. It's a private charter school with no affiliation with UIL. That's what makes this interesting to me because of that very assessment. I've never seen a kid get denied to play varsity at the achoolhes zoned for coming from a private school. 

I'm going to assume this was actually an attack on the HF basketball program and not this kid. He's just caught in the middle. HF had 3 new players last year, 2 played varsity and with him coming over some folks got upset and think recruiting is going on. But to deny a kid who is legit over your assumptions and anger is silly

1 minute ago, Elvis Presley said:

That would be pretty bad if Superintendents can't even go by the prooven facts!!  Out of curiosity what are the rumors they went by?

I would assume the ones we see in here lol! All I know is he was denied due to transfering for athletic purposes not his residency which is what I thought at first and folks in here have been assuming. That's not the case from what I was told. It was due to athletic purposes which makes no since if you agree he has lived in the district and coming from a private school. That's like a kid who is zoned to WB but has been going to Kelly and decides to leave Kelly in High school and go to WB. That's exactly the case here. 

30 minutes ago, Elvis Presley said:

I think these boys shut discussions down when race gets brung up.  I hope that wasn't a factor.

I don't think it was main factor or even running acrosssome of their minds, but they definitely went on rumors and not facts presented. The optics don't look good and apparently weren't thought about at all. That's what I'm saying

On 10/30/2020 at 10:26 PM, Hooohead.com said:

I understand after watching alot of basketball lastyear. I know of the 2 kids from Beaumont United that went there and I would say they may not have played if they stayed at BU in front of last year's Freshman duo not to mention BU was stacked. 

One of the two didn't play at BU at all. He just went there. He was basically a park baller who decided to play last year and apparently was coachable.

9 hours ago, TxHoops said:

To quote Michael Corleone, “Now who’s being naive?”   I’ve seen exactly what you claim would be a stretch happen.  I’ve seen a head coach get infuriated with his AD for not voting against a particular player.  And I’ve seen a chicken 💩 school get another one to try and carry the water to get a particular player voted down by a DEC, only to be sorely disappointed when they found out that kid’s parents weren’t going to lay down and let an eligibility decision be made based upon the other school’s “athletic purposes.”  (I.E., not wanting to have to play that kid.).  As I once heard a local superintendent eloquently put it, “if he was a 5’8” kid from Fred, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.”

The kid is a Texas top 100 ranked player who averaged 27pts 10 rebs and played against some top UIL schools last year at Tekoa. The only teams from that district that would even be competitive with HF is Huffman and HJ. HF beat Huffman last year in the playoffs without the best player at the school on varsity, he was playing JV due to UIL rules averaging over 30pts a game Lol! So he'll be on varsity this year and Ardoin coming over would make them very hard to beat. 

23 hours ago, whsalum said:

I think it’s important to know who makes up the DEC. It’s not comprised of basketball coaches. The voting members of a DEC are Superintendents and Athletic Directors. To think school Superintendents got together to intentionally deny eligibility for one basketball player would be a stretch to say the least. I never understood why anyone would want to play basketball or any other sport anywhere in high school where he didn’t live. If a kid isn’t good enough to start in the BU program he probably isn’t going to get a scholarship to play college basketball by transferring to HF. I have no idea what the facts of this case are but if someone is denied eligibility there’s more to it than a group getting together and deciding to vote against a kid. The votes usually go in favor of the kids if there’s any doubt. 

The kid that was denied didn't come from BU or any UIL school and he lives in the district. There was no residency challenge and no discrepancies on the PAPF. They voted against him purely on rumors despite letters from prior and current schools stating why he made the switch. This is the information I was given and knowing that Dr. Augustine is an honorable/respectable man and does his do diligence, it would seem that some schools did hand together and vote against this kid. UIL would lose some credibility if it allows the DEC decision to stand. What you have to understand is by those schools voting against this kid, they are calling Dr. Augustine, this kids family, and the administrators from the prior school liars. And from what I've been told his residency was proven as he went to HF elementary school and both parents worked for HF at one point in time. Those who voted against this have some explaining to do. Doesn't matter what happened last year with other players. This kid is a former HF student who lives in the district and was returning to finish his high school there period! I don't know the make-up of the superintendents from the other districts who voted against this, but I do know all those who verified and submitted letters on this kids behalf are African American. Tekoa is an African American owned school, Dr. Augustine is African American, and the family is African American and they were all called liars. I would hope the UIL overturns this for their sake because this can get ugly quick

28 minutes ago, Southeastxsports2020 said:

What it seems like to me is Fannett has 3 new kids from last year and a new one this year they put 2 and 2 together and figured something  isn’t adding up and there  is recruiting going on here and it needs to stop. That’s what it seems like is happening but who knows maybe there is more to it. 

Doesn't matter if the kids live in the district and HF are following UIL rules. They are an open enrollment school and as along as the players who aren't in the district sit out a year, then there's no violation. As far as the kid in question he's from that area and was going where his father worked which is a private charter school, not UIL or ISD affiliated. So him going to HF was perfectly within guidelines. Like I said in a previous comment. It seems as if some folks got together from other schools and decided they were going to vote no regardless of the facts. That's chicken shit and cowardly in my eyes that adults would attempt to hamper and kids career for a better opportunity at their school winning. The kid has every right to go and play where he's zoned too don't you agree?

1 hour ago, Hooohead.com said:

If he is or isn't a residence of Cheeks then all they can do is appeal to UIL and hope for the best. I hate it for the kid tho. Never been in the situation with my daughter but I do know UIL doesnt like stepping on the toes of DEC. There in a place where you scratch my back and I'll have yours.

That's the thing, the residency was never in question. I've heard from a good source that his residency was never brought up or questioned that it was solely on the transfer for athletic reasons. Which is crazy if he's a resident of HF coming from a private school and going to HF high school, then it should have never been brought up to the DEC at all and definitely not voted against. Sounds like a coordinated action from some district foes who are running from competition. Remember only 4 teams can move into the playoffs and adding HJ and HF bumps two teams who would normally go to the playoffs out! It also makes the title between 3 teams instead of just two and with Ardoin, HF would have the slight advantage over Huffman the defending champs who lost to HF last year in the first round. They might split like last year with HJ again. They are pretty solid/well coached and return their key guys. 

I heard they challenge coming for athletic purposes, not his residency. That means they actually voted against a kid who lives in the district who is coming from a private charter school on the reason he left the charter to come to his zoned school. That's just silly and very suspicious honestly 

3 hours ago, Hooohead.com said:

Someone said told me he actually resides in B.I.S D district and could possibly attend West Brook cause that would be his zoned school. The parents chose HF because it had an open enrollment. Would it be possible for him to attend there(West Brook) and be eligible?

Who said that? He lives in Cheeks, that I know.

11 hours ago, Hooohead.com said:

For what reason?...Thought he was from a private school in PA somewhere and lived in Cheeks somewhere?

I would like to know as well because if it went to DEC that means H-F ISD and it's superintendent put their reputations on the line and I don't think Dr. Augustine would do that if he didn't have factual evidence to counter the accusation, he's a stand up guy and well respected. That would mean some folks from those districts called him a liar. That's interesting

Just now, AggiesAreWe said:

I believe it was the DEC

If it was the DEC and he has proof that has lived in the district and was just going to a charter school, then why would the UIL not overturn it on appeals? Seems like a waste of time from some coward and scared schools in the district to me. I'm going see if I can find out what happened. Sounds like some back alley politics went on with that DEC vote. Lol

12 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Got word that the Ardion kid got denied to play at Hamshire-Fannett for this coming season.

Denied by who? UIL or DEC? 

5 minutes ago, Cardinal 1 said:

Which games do you think will be must watch this year in our area?

Dickinson vs BU

HJ vs BU

Summer Creek vs WB

Which games do you think will be must watch this year in our area?