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That hardly matters. If football mattered to your son.. would you be ok with him playing a 5A schedule due to "basketball unfairness" even though he's on the brink of getting hurt every game in a 4A district because his team is bad? Maybe you don't want to take him to a different school because the education being offered is actually the reason he goes to Yates, but he happens to enjoy football more than anything else.

Because that's fair. So let's tell the parents of the football players "I know you're getting your heads beat in (in 4A).. but we're gonna go ahead and make you play 5A, because basketball." I'm sorry but that's crazy to me. Magnet school or not, UIL stipulates that the kid still has to live in their specific zone/district or sit out a year upon transfer. There is absolutely nothing stopping any other Houston ISD school from offering a specialized course/curricula (magnet school). But it wouldn't matter.. Even if they played up a classification and won state championships the same complaint would happen. Even if UIL forced all transfers to sit one calendar year for transferring (no matter the reason), the same complaint would happen. There has to be another option/idea. You are at least the first person to offer a solution (forced to play up). Which I don't agree with..I don't believe making the other sports suffer or other magnet schools suffer because of one school is fair.. but thanks for not just griping without a proposed solution.

In every sport? Because... Yates is already awful in the classification they're in when talking about their other sports.

Really big senior classes and small incoming freshman classes is not uncommon (or vice versa). Just doesn't make sense to me.

And another thing.. it's absolute insanity to me that THIS year's seniors affect NEXT year's district alignment. I know that bigger schools have several different JH feeder schools but schools where everyone JH kid goes into the same high school should count 8-11. Just my opinion.

To be honest.. I think the biggest mistake UIL makes in regards to classification/cutoff/enrollment is to actually tell the schools when the count will be and then ask for their enrollment THAT DAY. Just randomly pull a schools enrollment on a random day of the redistrict year or take a weekly/monthly average or something. It seems like they're asking for schools to skim numbers.

Easily checked.. schools receive funding based on enrollment. Those numbers aren't usually messed with because that's a good way for a school to either lose funding or get shut down.. or whatever happens when/if a school falsifies the number that affects the amount of money they get. Is that the issue here? Or is the issue that Yates is getting a disproportionate amount of talent for a school with the number of students they have? Which again.. nothing can be done about if they are following the rules. I as a parent completely understand. Every good parent in the universe makes decisions they feel are best for their kids. If I have a son that is 6'9 and a potential basketball phenom and I get a job in Houston.. we're probably getting an apartment in Yates' district. Sue me. Just like if I have a football star and a job offer in Fort Worth.. probably gonna house shop in Aledo. Or an ag department.. or academically.. or whatever reason I felt best. The days of K-12 schooling probably don't exist anymore.

There is no question that it is not a perfect system. But.. are you suggesting that Yates play 6A in basketball because they happen to be a consistently good "smaller" school in basketball? Never mind the fact that they're awful in football.. and volleyball.. and baseball/softball (team sports where enrollment has much more of an impact). Even in 4A. So what are you getting at? Every school in the state should abide by the UIL guidelines EXCEPT Houston Yates because they happen to be a relatively smaller school in an enormous city and there are speculations of recruiting going on from the other Houston area school districts? A lot of the Houston area schools are trash in basketball. Same with Dallas..and the other Big cities in the state. I'm not defending Yates.. I'm defending the guideline that every public school is required to adhere to. Should UIL just require every single transfer to sit one year, regardless of reason?

It's because it is a stupid excuse. El Paso has 14 high schools including several 6A schools.. nobody gripes that they could "draw talent" from an area of tens of thousands of kids into one smaller high school. It only matters when individual people complain.. Let's talk about Houston. "It's not fair" because there happens to be a powerhouse basketball team in Houston ISD that's 4A? What about the SAME school or many others who are absolute trash in football, baseball, or whatever else? This is a stupid topic. You can't start picking and choosing who should be affected. UIL places schools into classifications based on the number of kids enrolled in that school. That's the fairest way.

Smack talk thread? "You're mother's an astronaut." - Sidney Deane

Hardin was one onside kick away from this being a close one.

I sure hope this is true. I appreciate it when coaches do what's right. From the looks of the score it was a good time to make an example.

I'm almost certain I remember reading one time that the 2010 state tourney team had a couple of Kountze kids. I brushed it off as a common occurrence between the two neighboring towns but I'm sure I either read that or was told that.

Jumped to 2A?? The state just renamed the classifications. 2A IS the old 1A.

There have always been transfers for a variety of reasons. Parents got a new job, divorce, new home, etc.. and I have always liked to have seen it happen in junior high grades or down. I know it's not always like that, though. Life happens and nobody can do anything about it. But.. when several athletically gifted kids transfer to the same high school.. as high school kids. Well, that'll make you scratch your head. Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting or accusing anyone of anything. Just saying..

Hmm... can't say I disagree. Seems like anyway. I don't know for sure, maybe he is a fantastic coach and I'm sure he is. But.. did he drastically turn the program around or get players than can play?

I wouldn't agree that this makes you the best coach either. There is no doubt that any coach is judged on wins and/or titles but there much more to it than that. Every single year.. the coach that wins the state championship does not necessarily mean that he/she is the best coach in the state. No more than just simply beating someone else doesn't make you a better coach than them. There are a lot of variables. It could easily be argued that Kevin Foster is the best varsity head coach in the area currently. I'm pretty certain that he doesn't lead in wins and I don't think he has any state titles. But.. he is consistently successful each year with small-averaged sized kids. They don't ever have any D1 type talent.. The coaches in the area with state titles, how many titles have they won withOUT D1 talent on their teams? Not to downgrade any accomplishment.. But then you get into the "well Big Sandy gets to start practice in August".. which certainly doesn't hurt. So I don't know.. all I know is that there are coaches who get the absolute most out of what they have and then there are coaches who get really great players.

Everybody wants a good head coach until a good head coach has to do good head coach stuff.

The cities with populations of several million have multiple schools going from a few hundred to a few thousand. There is a solution.. schools with similar school enrollment play each other. It's unfortunate that cities have the luxury of apartment complexes where families can change their permanent address at the drop of a hat, but there are still zoning restrictions along with the PAPF. That's the best solution available.

You do realize that the TOWN population of the largest school in the state is only 100,000 or so, right? So according to the idea of classification based on town size Allen would no longer have to play Dallas ISD schools. Brilliant. Also.. the population of Aledo is barely over 4,000. That's half the size of Bridge City. See why school populations matter?

Yeah.. no offense but that's ridiculous.

Exactly, what? Every school in Houston should be in the same size district because of the size of the city of Houston?

Some towns have more than one school.

Fact. A good buddy of mine that used to coach used to say "I'd drive across the state for a win but I won't walk across the street for an a$$ whipping." Seems logical to me.

Especially considering that football won't travel to every opponent every year for varsity sports.. they alternate each year. Whereas the other sports will travel to every opponent every year. Playing two games a week.