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2 hours ago, JohnRuthDomergue said:

Congrats Hardin. Trinity has a really bad team this season. Outscored like 100-10!

I can't let this one go:

When people say, "congrats, but that team was terrible" to HD.. it is met with, "Why can't you just say congrats and nothing else?"  

It would appear that being hypocritical goes ignored for HD fans.

3 hours ago, GT409Setx said:

This Kountze team is one of the worst Kountze teams in program history, and that is saying a lot. 

Do not judge your teams season off of that win, trust me. 

This is exactly why I would be careful to brag about this win just yet.. bigger school or not.  Playoff team last year or not.

3 hours ago, JohnRuthDomergue said:

Take a breathe pal, you really put a lot of energy into this post lol. It must really bother you, HD must have tore that booty up in the past, or you a Lions fan. You are the same clown that would be dogging HD if they lost to the Lions. Get over yourself partner, maybe try just congratulating a small school with an upset win, then move on, for you it would be to the tennis forums, lmao. SMH, some Karen’s… 

Actually.. pal.. you couldn't be further from your predictive and overused description of me.  How very typical of you, however, to throw the "HD must've beat you in the past" card every time someone mentions the fact that a majority of HD's wins (even historically) are against the bottom quarter of all of football.  No worries.. I'm not upset or anything.  As that's the typical response of the die hard HD posters of this site.

I did congratulate HD on the win.  How about you try congratulating the team on the win without mentioning school size, player size, overall record, previous year's success/failure, 79 state championship, the names of your "studs", etc...  I've been on this site for a while and I've yet to see that.  Still patiently waiting. 

13 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Or the fact that Neece is utilizing the talents he currently has. Anahuac has a pretty good set of receivers, very good size and athletic ability. Most of the passes were short routes that the receiver turned into big gain. Also, several of the throws were fade routes that the bigger receiver took advantage of the smaller defender. Not alot of passes that were 15+ yards down field.

Newton had a handle on Anahuac's run game so Neece was going to the passing game pretty often to hopefully open up the run game.

2nd half, Newton took away the short passes therefore getting the shutout in 2nd half.

Neece knows what he has and that's a talented freshman QB that in time will eventually be the man for the offense.

Certainly.  To be clear, I'm not implying that Neece is doing anything other that what HE feels is the best thing to do to make HIS team successful.  Good coaches know what they have and make adjustments to their strengths.  I'm simply stating that it's likely, now that he has another strong offensive mind on staff and a talented young passing quarterback, that there's been responsibilities delegated to said parties in some form or fashion.  I'm not taking credit of any sort away from the head coach.  Just that certain parts of the offensive strategy may have adjusted in part to another coach.. even if Neece himself is calling plays. 

Just now, AggiesAreWe said:

Definitely threw the ball more than normal.

Then perhaps Coach Barrier is influencing the play calling a little.  

1 hour ago, AHUDDLESTON said:

One reason people rag on HD, which I would never do, a couple of posters on here ate still living in 1979. I don’t blame them, just trying to explain it.  How many schools who have fans on this board have won a state championship in football? I know mine hasn’t.

Burkeville fans.  In fact.. Burkeville has a state title more recent than HD’s last playoff win.

It’s beyond time to move on.

7 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I see what you are saying. To answer that question, never.

But I stood on the sidelines last Friday night (1st half on Anahuac side, 2nd half on Newton side) and from what I saw was Neece doing all the play calling.

Now that doesn't mean the plays weren't being radioed down from OC in the booth. But Neece carries a play card in his hand and when the time to call the play arose he referenced to it many times.

I gotcha.  Well.. was it a typically called game for Neece compared to his usual play calling habits?  It seems that the young QB slung it around a little.  That par?

2 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Wrong. There have been many times an assistant coach or even head coach was hired and their son ended up being the starting QB. Package deal.

Of course I'm aware of that.  I guess what I mean is... How many times has Neece been a head coach where a former Head Coach comes in as an assistant with a son that starts as the varsity quarterback?  I'll add that I've heard that Barrier has a reputation of being pretty well versed in the area.  I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of arrangement was made before the hire about Barrier having a role somewhat. 

24 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I'm familiar with small school ball, and i'm really not trying to get in a big debate over this.  The point I'm making, which I'm sure you understand, is that out of those 25 kids in the program there are going to be handful of kids who have no business on the field against opposing varsity-level opponents.  Having a JV for a few weeks at least gets them a little game experience, because in another year they may grow/improve enough to where they can actually contribute on a varsity level, OR due to injuries/grades they may be forced onto the field this year.  If that happens, I'd rather them have played 3 jv games than watched 7 varsity games.

Don't underestimate the level of (lack of) talent that they'll see on the "varsity" level in district.  Some of the varsity teams in that district won't be a whole lot different than the JV of a slightly bigger school. 

38 minutes ago, JimAdler said:

My assumption is, nobody in the history of ever, has called plays for greg neece.

I'm sure nobody in the history of ever, has brought their own starting quarterback. 

If I were betting.. I'd choose the home team in this one.

20 minutes ago, JimAdler said:

That said, who do you think Hardin gets WINS against this year ?

I'm already 0-1 on what I originally thought.. I figured they'd beat Warren but I guess they're worse off than expected.

I'll give this week a coinflip.. but if I had to bet, I'd probably choose Evadale in a close one.  That Warren loss destroyed any confidence I had in picking the Hornets.  And if Evadale wins then I'd probably think Tarkington gets them in district.. hence closing any hope in a district win.  Didn't they beat Kville last year?  I don't see that happening again.  And depending on who they have after Anahuac, WV, EC, and OF.. they may be a little beat up.

Before the season I would've said they get 4 wins.  Warren, Eva, HD, and probably Tark.  Now... I'm saying I honestly don't know.

It's early to predict after just one game but I'd bet they beat HD and nobody else.  This week is an important game IMO.  This entire post is opinion.. I hope for their sake that I'm wrong.

13 minutes ago, JimAdler said:

You can't build it without the studs, no matter how long a coach is willing to stay.  And lets all agree, there are none.  Tell me one place in all of southeast Texas where a coach stayed 10+ years........how's his program doing?  Are they winning playoff games, or is he just winning in his crappy district ?  And if he's winning, does he have studs or is he getting the most out of inferior talent? 

 

I'll wait.........

You can't win without talent.. or.. a weak schedule.  But playoff wins won't happen without players.  

Newton and WOS both had coaches of 10+ years previously.  We're familiar with how that went.  Still.. it has been argued on this very site by me that even those schools had excessive amounts of talent.  Good players usually make coaches look good.  Not to say that their coaches weren't good.  I just believe that those same coaches couldn't have gone just anyway and had similar success.

Having said that. I'm still 100% confident that a team will not reach any sort of potential by shuffling head coaches through like underwear.  There has to be a level of consistency.  Even if it's for just 4-5 years.  

1 minute ago, JimAdler said:

No community in southeast Texas does, at least not at the lower levels.  It's make the playoffs now, play my kid, or I will get you fired.

That's part of the reason that schools that are bad.. will continue to be bad.  Consistency is key.  And admitting reality is also key.  When you don't have the horses, you don't have the horses.  Still gotta leave the head guy alone so they can at least try to change a culture.  How's that even possible if the 7th graders have 2/3/4/5 different systems before they reach senior year?  It's worse when you actually get someone that would like to stay and build.  That's rare enough for small schools.

But.. I'm perfectly aware of how things work.  Instant gratification mentality. 

11 hours ago, RedJollyRoger said:

HD is the most notorious small 2A program on the Forum...

 

(P.S.)  It has nothing to do with the football team.

I would have to say they're the most notorious on the forum.. any classification.  Definitely not because of the actual football team.  Certainly because some fans (not all) have no idea when to stop bragging about details that aren't worth bragging about to begin with.  For example: Beating Kountze.. It's yet to be determined whether or not that was a win worth the hype it's getting.  Yes, they went 7-4 LAST YEAR and made a playoff spot in a bigger classification.  HD didn't play them last year.  What if they go 0-10 or 1-9 this year?  Still a brag worthy win? Not in my opinion.

Just say good game and that you're happy/proud of the team.  We don't need the extra bullcrap about how big of a school they are and your overall record against them or anyone else.  Jeez.  That's why people are still cracking "4 horsemen" jokes several years after that statement was made.  

It's almost not fun anymore.....   Almost. 

9 hours ago, Godzilla said:

I agree, think he got himself (and his boy) out at just the right time

History shows us that there is rarely a wrong time to depart from this school.  It seems to be a "let me get a year or 2 of HFC on the resume" and leave.  The community usually never allows for more than that anyway.

20 minutes ago, JimAdler said:

I don't know if I would brag about beating Hardin.  They just got stumped by Warren.

Not to state the obvious, but that's what they do.  Being historically a little bit better than the historically worst football programs in the state of Texas... then bragging about it.  Kountze, Hardin, West Hardin, Sabine Pass, High Island, Colmesneil, Warren... I don't think there's 10 total playoff wins from that group. 

12 minutes ago, JohnRuthDomergue said:

Better not lose to a small 2A D-2…

Enrollment usually means a lot.  Keep in mind that many schools in SeTx have much fewer kids in athletics than schools with much smaller high school enrollments in other parts of the state.  Which is why I don't put a lot of stock in it sometimes.  It's about comparable levels of talent per the number of kids PLAYING.  

1 hour ago, JimAdler said:

I dont know who will win this game, but I can tell you, if Hardin does not win this game, it will be 0-10 for those Hornets.

Can't say I disagree.  Don't they have HD on the schedule?  I'm not yet convinced Hardin loses that one.. but they better get this one either way.

Coincidentally, I think the former head coach made a decent decision with the departure.

I watched a little bit of the Anahuac/Newton game Friday.  Ana's QB is a freshman?  I kinda like the kid.  That said.. freshmen will freshmen sometimes.

I still choose Anahuac.

10 hours ago, H-D BOBCAT 55 said:

Congrats HD!! Young team with grit. Bobcats proved lots of us wrong tonight. That offensive line and defensive line played tough. The TB Tyler thibodeaux is quick! The big defensive end Drake is a monster! RB Logan Smith and the QB Sterling kid are ball players! Isaac Garcia is a ball player! The Flowers kid and Ford kid played well. The coaches called a great game! HD Nation! 

7 names..🤔.. 7 Horsemen?!!

STATE CHAMPS!

On 8/18/2022 at 8:10 AM, JimAdler said:

My sleepers are HD, West Hardin, Bridge City and Comesneil. 

I bet those odds are out of this world.

55 minutes ago, JimAdler said:

If my memory serves me correct, SFA was dominant in the 80's and early 90's but I can't recall them ever winning a championship.  The school dates back to the 1940's, so it has roughly 60 years of football history.  I'm just not up to speed on the data.  

They definitely had some above average seasons.  Overall I believe there were more poor or average seasons than there were good.  Doesn't seem to justify keeping the school open if enrollment was falling off like I was told. They lost to Hull Daisetta the last season they had.  So... Not sure that staying a separate school would have been the thing to do.

15 minutes ago, JimAdler said:

Katy, Northshore, Crosby, Alvin SC, FBM all beg to differ with you.  I think WO-S and Newton have an argument as well.

It's apparent that you 100% missed the point.  Yes.. there are good programs in SeTx that make deep runs often.  There are also teams that win most of their regular season games and exit before round 3.  If you go 8-2 and lose first round.. you aren't as good as you think.

So.  Back to the question.  What in SFA's playing history says that they were good?  I don't care about winning seasons.  District championships? Playoff wins? etc..

1 hour ago, 88Warrior said:

You’re joking right??

As with everything.. "Good" is relative.  Even if they were at times locally good, it doesn't mean they were good.

I'm seriously not familiar.  What was their history of success that you're obviously referring to?  Remember.. schools all over the state (especially SeTx) win 8/9/10 games in a year and bounce early.