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On 6/2/2017 at 10:27 PM, L-Train11 said:

Correct, barely squeaked by silsbee in a game that silsbee should have won.

if silsbee gets the first or second spot then they won't have to worry about Carthage in first round so they should be fine..

I wouldn't be shocked if Carthage was 1st or 3rd so you never know.

1 hour ago, LCM17 said:

WOS is playing  kennedale im sure Coach Thompson would meet y'all somewhere in between.

If there wasn't much quality competition in east texas, I'm sure Surratt would be up for it but luckily we don't have to travel far at all to get tested. I would love to see that game. I've always thought the D1 champ should play the D2 champ to start out the new season.

Wish yall were closer to Carthage.

39 minutes ago, aTmfan06 said:

Yeah now that I look around I agree. I know Bellville lost 10/11 on offense. So the region overall might be down with the exception of maybe Giddings 

As long as there is not a "special" team in your region (i.e. 2016 WOS) and yall reload like you say you do, WOS will ALWAYS have a legit shot to get out of the region. That's been the secret to Carthage's state titles. I don't think the D1 region 3 has had a "special" team in years( maybe carthage will change that this season), therefore with all else equal, Carthage was able to fight out of the region.

With the way the region is looking they have a shot to make the semis

You're not winning it all with that offense. Well atleast not in region 3.

On 3/7/2017 at 7:56 PM, BMTSoulja1 said:

They don't (their defense), but Vidor's JV team only took 1 loss I think, and it was to Memorial.  I think they'll translate to the next level pretty good, especially with what they run...

Don't know much about this district but can you really judge by JV wins and losses when there are a lot of schools who put their best JV players on varsity?

55 minutes ago, WOSgrad said:

ALL courses that a student is homeschooled in are requirements for graduation.

But it these choices are what are "best for the child" why should we tell parents that their choices in these matters should be limited to solely extracurricular activities? By my reckoning, if the decision to homeschool a child is about getting a child a "better education" as some here have claimed, then it seems giving the parent a chance to pick and choose what parts of the curriculum they want their child involved, and by homeschooling, not involved, in should given priority over that they want their kid running out of a tunnel on Friday night.

But SPORTS is not a requirement for graduation. So a child should be required to get a sub par education if they want to play sports? How is a home school kid who lives in the district playing sports hurting anything? Most parents are just putting education FIRST.

On 3/24/2017 at 11:38 AM, Jag Insider said:

If the school is not good enough for the child to attend daily like all the other students at that particular school, why is the football team or other extracurricular activity good enough? 

I think a home schooled kid would have a tough time being accepted by his/her other teammates on that particular team, jmo...

This is the second time I've heard this argument on this thread. It's VERY possible for a school to not be good enough academically but good enough for extracurricular activity. Sports and education are two different things and I understand parents wanting the best educationally for their child. Why have kids miss out on a valuable part of life just because they want a better education. We have kids that play for us who attend a different school. If they're school doesn't offer the sport, they can play with us.

P.S. when I say play for us, I mean the school I work at, not Carthage.

15 minutes ago, L-Train11 said:

I'd bet my life savings that Carthage would not have beat wos at any point of the year! Which isn't a lot of money, but I'd bet it any way! 

I definitely understand the logic but I feel Surratt would find a way to put points on the board.

On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 10:55 AM, Tigers2010 said:

No offense, Carthage barely escaped Silsbee. They are not close to WOS.

None taken but you do realize D1 was stronger than D2 this year and Carthage one the title. I don't believe in judging by like opponents and the Silsbee game was a major wake up call for them. The talent was always immense for this team but after that game it all came together. Carthage has a knack for looking terrible and then eventually pulling out a state title.

EDIT: In respect to Silsbee, I'm sure they had gotten better since that week. Honestly if WOS had played Carthage in the preseason, they would have really handed it to us but playoffs is a different story.

On 1/11/2017 at 10:49 AM, oldschool2 said:

 

I mean...come on.  Every member on here has already admitted WOS is without a doubt the best team in Texas in their respective classification.  And congratulated the team several times over for their accomplishments.  What else do you want?

 

 

I have my doubts. A big red and white one.

Just curious, how many truly balanced offenses did they play? Meaning elite in both the run and pass.

I don't see it as bragging and it's actually a cool fact. This is the time of year people come up with anything to keep the football convo going.

On 12/28/2016 at 11:30 AM, kicker said:

And it was back to back 8-2 at that. 

I remember back in the 90s when Carthage was #1 team in the state. Lost 1 game and missed the playoffs. That's why I never complain about the 3 team format when they had it. The region is not too strong so WOS will probably still make it to the regional finals.

24 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

yep. Info has been posted up top of forum

ok thanks

12 hours ago, Kountzer said:

I take that back.  i am paying taxes on some old family land & property.  So I do have a little skin in the game.

Will Kountze be at the holiday classic in Tenaha this year?

13 hours ago, kicker said:

And to be completely honest? We could have scored 1200+ points this season. Seriously. But when your starters are taken out at halftime in 14 if 16 games, that tends to happen.

I definitely believe they could have scored all those points but  a weak preseason (which is not their fault, location has more to do with that) schedule aided that. A lot of teams have the pulling players at halftime argument. I just don't see them putting up big numbers moving up a classification.

5 hours ago, 3rdone said:

so leading a semi final team in kennedale 38-0 before they scored a single point isn't good enough? the defense alone would keep them in games.  the only elite offense i saw was lake travis and aledo.

again you have to look at it from a different perspective. you don't have to beat ALL of 5A...you just have to make it out of your region. WOS would have done that this year.

carthage had ALL season to play to their potential. they had a 4 pt win, a 2 pt. win. and a 1 pt. win in the playoffs...that WAS their potential. Silsbee was good... don't try to say carthage was head and shoulders better and carthage hadn't reached their potential 13 games into the season lol. However WOS was 50-2 "better"

Who said head and shoulders better? Carthage was a struggling team when they played Silsbee. How can u downplay a state champ?  Carthage just wins. Ask 2010 Brownwood and 15 Navasota. You act as if it's an insult that I said WOS may have not gone undefeated.  State titles is all that matters and you got one. 

1 hour ago, griff said:

If the only game you watched from WO-S was the SC game, then I can see how you would think that. That was an anomaly because of decent defensive play by Sweetwater, two turnovers deep in the red zone, and our QB having an off day with his throwing. The offense averaged about 50 points per game. You also have to consider our excellent special teams play. It's all part of the game. Again, I don't believe WO-S could have won 5A, but to say they didn't have the offense to hang with them is short-sighted. 

No I also saw the Kennedale game.  Offense is very good but like I said not elite. As for Carthage squeaking past Silsbee. Carthage folk all said the same, we could lose first round or win state. The team that played Silsbee, was always talented but not playing to their potential. I began to after that game. If i'm not mistaken I think Surratt sent them home on that monday in frustration. This is a young team that had to grow up fast. How can you call an area underwhelming who won a state title? How many well balanced teams dis WOS face?

11 hours ago, 3rdone said:

I kept saying that THIS team..not last year, not next year...but THIS team, THIS year, can play with ANYONE in the state. People blow off calprep predictions but YES...it has us losing to Desoto...it has us losing to Lake Travis. However, it does not have them being blown out either. We can laugh at these websites, but there are a lot more metrics in that than a few of us online giving one opinion or another. It has them beating Highland park, Temple and Steele. Some people take it as a personal attack on their intellect on the game...but we're just having the conversation and the ONLY reason I hear is WOS doesn't have the depth. At no point in history has WOS EVER had exceptional depth...NEVER. You just can't get enough kids to go through that program and stick it out.

When I got to college to play football I thought practice was a joke compared to what I had already been through. But other kids from those SAME schools mentioned above were huffin' and puffin'...and these were supposed to be studs..ON SCHOLARSHIP D1 FOOTBALL!! Those who haven't been through the WOS program don't understand one bit what it's like! if you have...then you understand just HOW special this team is because you know what those before them went through and still didn't get it done...and it's been since the 80's since they done it 3 straight years. This is a 5A team parading around like they are 4A. You don't hang 70 on an undefeated team in the semi's (21 called back) and then play the worst game you've played in 3 years and beat a 1-loss team 24-6 and the other team doesn't score an offensive TD...That game was never in doubt no matter what that score says. And from people are saying, "Sweetwater played the game of their lives!!" and still only had 148 total yards!! LOL

No one questions the defense but I just don't see this offense being elite enough to hang with the larger classifications.

15 hours ago, griff said:

It's funny you say this because Coach Thompson has recently tried to schedule preseason games with Carthage, Kigore, Gilmer, and a few other yearly playoff teams. With all of the trouble we've had to find opponents, Coach Thompson had to start looking outside not only our area, but our region. That is why the Kennedale match up was made. When Coach Thompson made contact with the Kilgore HC, he was open to the idea. Shortly afterward,the Kilgore HC had a chat with Coach Surrat who told him that WO-S was the hardest hitting team he had ever played. The next time Kilgore's coach spoke with Coach Thompson, he declined the invitation. Interesting, isn't it? That "week in and week out" and "takes a toll" works both ways. WO-S would have gone undefeated in your district this year and last year, too. 

How do you know the conversation Surratt and the Kilgore coach had? Not calling you a liar but curious about the source. Sounds odd that Kilgore would care about a hard hitting team in the preseason. I can only speak for Carthage, but I doubt we will see that matchup in the regular season due to the fact that Carthage doesn't need it since the competition is stiffer in the area and they can schedule closer teams with no travel issues. I'm not convinced WOS would have went undefeated in Carthage's district.

I will say this, tough preseason or not, this was going to be WOS year. 

3 hours ago, griff said:

The only legitimate competition WO-S faced was in the state championship game. If WO-S had played in the local 5A district, I believe they would have won every game. They would not have pulled starters in some of them, but same results nonetheless. We saw glimpses of what would have been based on the game against Nederland and the scrimmages against Vidor and PNG. Concerning the loss to Richmond Foster...that wasn't just any 5A team. Foster lost to last year's state champion by only 7 points and they made it to the 5th round in this year's playoffs. They were one of the best in all of 5A for the last two seasons and would have whipped everyone in 22-5A. I'm not one to say WO-S could win 5A (or 6A, which is silly), but I do think they would at least make a strong run in the 5A playoffs and probably lose in the late rounds. The point being made about WO-S' depth would not be the reason - not THIS year. WO-S had 39 kids on the roster. Only one of them saw significant playing time on offense and defense. There were 3-4 others who played on one side and saw occasional spot duty on the other side of the ball. Depth on THIS year's team was a strength.  

After watching the state championship games over the weekend, I can conclude with confidence there is no way WO-S could beat DeSoto and would get blown out by Lake Travis. They would make a competitive opponent for Highland Park and Temple. Probably lose to The Woodlands and Cibolo Steele. But, in the end, who cares. We are assigned to 4AD2 for good reason and all of this 5A conjecture is just fantasy football. A cool compliment was made by Rick Renner saying WO-S was "the best pound-for-pound high school football team in Texas." It's an honor to be thought of in that way. 

I would love to see them play an East tx schedule. Not sure they would have went undefeated playing tough teams week in and week out. It takes a toll. 

Depth would be too big of an issue. The defense would be wore out by halftime. Now if it were a video game where you could turn off fatigue, that Defense can play with anyone in the state but even with that, the offense cannot put up the same numers fatigue or not.

20 hours ago, MMstangfan said:

Great season Mustangs , Capped off a 16 win season with a great win. This group was surly special. I think they could have come back out and won the Div 1 game. 

Was at the game Friday , recorded the game and watched it back this morning. My thoughts about the game didn't change , I give Sweetwater props , for playing hard, but the outcome for me was never in question . The Fox Announcers were certainly biased   But we've become used to that , can anyone remember a broadcast where WOS was involved that they were not. Unprofessional to say the least. 

Best of luck to all the seniors . For the underclass men, defense of the title starts on Monday.

Ummm.... Would have loved to have seen it.