bullets13

that's great!  i know that he has them improving every year.  this year might be the first year that they make it into the conference tourney!

the ags have road that could definitely lead to the elite 8.  they may have to face the weakest #4 in Purdue, and the weakest #1 in Duke.  both of those teams still very well could beat the Ags, but it's better than having to play a team like Kansas or Kentucky!

i'm undecided about whether i'm coming tonight or not.

[quote name="RP3" post="777048" timestamp="1268615623"] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67270.msg777042#msg777042 date=1268615289] [quote author=RP3 link=topic=67270.msg777039#msg777039 date=1268615086] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67270.msg776996#msg776996 date=1268607771] [quote author=RP3 link=topic=67270.msg776948#msg776948 date=1268595441] And they never will....I would not waste my time debating it with them....They will never get it because they were either on the losing end of butt kickings or have never played a day in their lives and therefore just hate winners, or don't understand anyway...Thats just a fact...They want to talk about class? Ever been to a baseball game when PNG plays Central? or Bellaire vs Wheatley in baseball in Houston? BUt because its BASKETBALL, it becomes "classless" all of a sudden.. I rest my case. [/quote] so if they were on the end of these butt kickings, and are still upset about them, would that mean that maybe these buttkickings actually DO have an effect on the athletes that suffer them? [/quote] Not to be cruel or harsh, but don't you guys think that if a person is STILL upset about losing a HIGH SCHOOL game as an adult, they probably needed psychological evaluation prior to? I would say yes.....Get over it. Everybody can't win, otherwise why take score? Everyone is playing with the same ball, by the same rules...Same classification even, according to the UIL.....Its like death, its a part of life. There are many other important things to focus on in your life other than a basketball game. ::) [/quote] i definitely see your point.  i've been fortunate enough, for the most part, to not be on too many "bad" teams.  i've still taken some shelackings over my lifetime, and although i certainly don't brood over them, i can remember how i felt at the end of those games.  i seriously can't imagine how i would've handled losing a basketball game by 135 when i was in high school.  i imagine i would've been pretty upset about it, though. [/quote] Oh, ABSOLUTELY!! I am certain that while it was happening and a few days after it probably stung like the dickens!!! BUT I hope your coach was able to get you guys to learn SOMETHING from the experience.....I just feel that the KIDS at YATES HIGH SCHOOL are being looked at as villans here in a way, which is why I felt obligated to speak on it...Coach Wise is not the only one feeling the tension of many here, but I would rather let him have to deal with it than those kids...I dont think it is fair to them at all. [/quote] that makes sense... i will say that i haven't seen much on here where anyone was trying to lay any of this on the kids, but as you say, i'm sure they're effected by the controversy.  didn't look like it bothered them too much at the state tourney, though :)

can you give us the group id #?  i know i can get to the group using that.

[quote name="RP3" post="777039" timestamp="1268615086"] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67270.msg776996#msg776996 date=1268607771] [quote author=RP3 link=topic=67270.msg776948#msg776948 date=1268595441] And they never will....I would not waste my time debating it with them....They will never get it because they were either on the losing end of butt kickings or have never played a day in their lives and therefore just hate winners, or don't understand anyway...Thats just a fact...They want to talk about class? Ever been to a baseball game when PNG plays Central? or Bellaire vs Wheatley in baseball in Houston? BUt because its BASKETBALL, it becomes "classless" all of a sudden.. I rest my case. [/quote] so if they were on the end of these butt kickings, and are still upset about them, would that mean that maybe these buttkickings actually DO have an effect on the athletes that suffer them? [/quote] Not to be cruel or harsh, but don't you guys think that if a person is STILL upset about losing a HIGH SCHOOL game as an adult, they probably needed psychological evaluation prior to? I would say yes.....Get over it. Everybody can't win, otherwise why take score? Everyone is playing with the same ball, by the same rules...Same classification even, according to the UIL.....Its like death, its a part of life. There are many other important things to focus on in your life other than a basketball game. ::) [/quote] i definitely see your point.  i've been fortunate enough, for the most part, to not be on too many "bad" teams.  i've still taken some shelackings over my lifetime, and although i certainly don't brood over them, i can remember how i felt at the end of those games.  i seriously can't say for sure how i would've handled losing a basketball game by 135 when i was in high school.  i imagine i would've been pretty upset about it, though.

i found a list of all of the groups, but i couldn't find anything where i could search for a group.

[quote name="baddog" post="777026" timestamp="1268613847"] Ags should win their first game vs. Utah State for sure. Probably Purdue after that, which ain't a cakewalk. If you beat Purdue, then you probably have Duke....good luck with that. On the flip side, my Horns will probably lose to Wake Forest in the first round. if we win, then we play Kentucky and get blown out. [/quote] ags earned their seed.  If i'm not mistaken, Purdue just lost their best player for the year, and they got absolutely manhandled yesterday, scoring only 11 points in the 1st half.

[quote name="homeless" post="776879" timestamp="1268571610"] Orangefield destroys someone in baseball. Its a big deal for a few days. Yates destroys someone in hoops. Its a big deal for a month or two. You naysayers need to get a grip. These kids aren't permanently damaged in any way whatsoever. IN FACT, I GUARANTEE you that in 10 years -- maybe less -- some of those Houston Lee players will BRAG, "Yeah I played against that unbelievable Yates Natl champ team. They were THAT good. They crushed us us so bad...."   Also, somewhere out there, a former HS CB is bragging that HE was the one on that viral/ESPN football youtube video when Cy-Fair's Sam ??? hurdled over. I was in a downtown Houston high rise, thick-carpet law office a while back when two of us got off on 1970's high school hoops and the lead mega-priced attorney across the table starts bragging on how his Clear Creek team lost to Jackie Carr's Wheatley Wildcats by less than anyone else in the state that year. We even did the Wheatley clap-whisper-chant for the whole room. ITS ALL F-U-N. That's the epitome of kids sports. Even kids without that perspective at the time gain that perspective over time. Adults should already have such perspective. All y'all should try it. If y'all had ANY CONSISTENCY AT ALL, you'd call for the resignation of the UIL Executive Director, but if course "that's different."  Loopy logic ABOUNDS. One FURTHER example from this thread: [b]Rick Reilly tries to connect a shooting incident to Yates coaching style and NO ONE ADMITS ITS OVER THE TOP. Perspective, gentlemen, perspective. [/b] Try keeping things in proportion. This might be my last post here because a moderator disagrees with me. Perspective [/quote] i've been thinking about this one, and i think Reilly is partially right on this, but very irresponsible in the way he states it.  is there more likely to be an altercation between fans after a game when one team has been thoroughly humiliated?  sure.  should the blame for some idiot pulling a gun in one of these said altercations be placed at the feet of Coach Wise?  absolutely not.  although i agree with most of the stances Reilly takes in this article, that is one sticking point for me, and shockingly enough, one point for us to agree on. 

[quote name="RP3" post="776948" timestamp="1268595441"] And they never will....I would not waste my time debating it with them....They will never get it because they were either on the losing end of butt kickings or have never played a day in their lives and therefore just hate winners, or don't understand anyway...Thats just a fact...They want to talk about class? Ever been to a baseball game when PNG plays Central? or Bellaire vs Wheatley in baseball in Houston? BUt because its BASKETBALL, it becomes "classless" all of a sudden.. I rest my case. [/quote] so if they were on the end of these butt kickings, and are still upset about them, would that mean that maybe these buttkickings actually DO have an effect on the athletes that suffer them?

[quote name="RP3" post="776945" timestamp="1268595013"] You MUST REMEMBER.....All of the Rick Reilly's of the world have NEVER won anything BIG in sports in their lives and hate people who do...WAY TO GO YATES!!......KEEP SETTING AND BREAKING RECORDS!!!! [/quote] Rick Reilly has been voted sportswriter of the year 11 times.  i'd say that's pretty BIG in sports, no matter which side of this argument you're on.

[quote name="homeless" post="776905" timestamp="1268578459"] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67191.msg776895#msg776895 date=1268575843] [quote author=homeless link=topic=67191.msg776875#msg776875 date=1268570547] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=67191.msg776604#msg776604 date=1268504428] Looks like the 3rd best 3A team at the state tourney will be going home with the gold medal.................Congrats Lubbock Estacado Matadors on being the 2010 Texas 3A State Champions!!! [/quote] I'd say the best 3A team went home with the gold. Anything else is just talking with your heart rather than you head. Easily understandable, just wrong. Guess the Madison-Silsbee semi wasn't "the real" championship game after all. Y'all really got carried away. I realize this doesn't sit well with the Silsbee fans here, and there are a bunch, but its truth. [/quote] they were definitely the best team for that one day, anyway.  i highly doubt that they'd win a 10-game series against madison (or silsbee, for that matter), but fortunately for them, they don't have to.  they won the one that counted. [/quote] One statement is fact (the team that won when they needed to), [b]the other (10-game series) is mere speculation....not supported by any facts[/b]. obviously.  that's why i said "highly doubt", indicative of an opinion, or speculation.  [/quote]

[quote name="homeless" post="776875" timestamp="1268570547"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=67191.msg776604#msg776604 date=1268504428] Looks like the 3rd best 3A team at the state tourney will be going home with the gold medal.................Congrats Lubbock Estacado Matadors on being the 2010 Texas 3A State Champions!!! [/quote] I'd say the best 3A team went home with the gold. Anything else is just talking with your heart rather than you head. Easily understandable, just wrong. Guess the Madison-Silsbee semi wasn't "the real" championship game after all. Y'all really got carried away. I realize this doesn't sit well with the Silsbee fans here, and there are a bunch, but its truth. [/quote] they were definitely the best team for that one day, anyway.  i highly doubt that they'd win a 10-game series against madison (or silsbee, for that matter), but fortunately for them, they don't have to.  they won the one that counted.

[quote name="homeless" post="776879" timestamp="1268571610"] Orangefield destroys someone in baseball. Its a big deal for a few days. Yates destroys someone in hoops. Its a big deal for a month or two. You naysayers need to get a grip. These kids aren't permanently damaged in any way whatsoever. IN FACT, I GUARANTEE you that in 10 years -- maybe less -- some of those Houston Lee players will BRAG, "Yeah I played against that unbelievable Yates Natl champ team. They were THAT good. They crushed us us so bad...."   Also, somewhere out there, a former HS CB is bragging that HE was the one on that viral/ESPN football youtube video when Cy-Fair's Sam ??? hurdled over. I was in a downtown Houston high rise, thick-carpet law office a while back when two of us got off on 1970's high school hoops and the lead mega-priced attorney across the table starts bragging on how his Clear Creek team lost to Jackie Carr's Wheatley Wildcats by less than anyone else in the state that year. We even did the Wheatley clap-whisper-chant for the whole room. ITS ALL F-U-N. That's the epitome of kids sports. Even kids without that perspective at the time gain that perspective over time. Adults should already have such perspective. All y'all should try it. If y'all had ANY CONSISTENCY AT ALL, you'd call for the resignation of the UIL Executive Director, but if course "that's different."  Loopy logic ABOUNDS. One FURTHER example from this thread: Rick Reilly tries to connect a shooting incident to Yates coaching style and NO ONE ADMITS ITS OVER THE TOP. Perspective, gentlemen, perspective. Try keeping things in proportion. [b]This might be my last post here because a moderator disagrees with me[/b]. Perspective [/quote] enough with that.  you make a nice post with several good points (that i do in fact disagree with), but it's a well thought out opinion that is a valuable contribution to the discussion.  leave it at that. 

[quote name="homeless" post="776873" timestamp="1268570042"] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67188.msg776663#msg776663 date=1268514775] [quote author=homeless link=topic=67188.msg776570#msg776570 date=1268499529] [quote author=homeless link=topic=67188.msg775841#msg775841 date=1268366961] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67188.msg775693#msg775693 date=1268349135] [quote author=im on fire link=topic=67188.msg775670#msg775670 date=1268346127] HE ALSO SAID " IM HERE TO WIN GAMES IF WE SCORE 100 POINTS A GAME THEN THAT MEANS WE WIN"  looks like he doing his JOB to me.  if he was at your school breaking these records i bet we would have a totally different convo, but its your schools they are beating so its a bad thing. [/quote]  it's none of "my" teams that he's beating. i'm going to assume you mean "white" schools. he's actually beating up on other minorities.  that's not at all the issue to me.  and if he was at "my" school, doing the same thing, not only would i have a problem with it, the principal and superintendent, both great basketball players in their day, would most likely put a stop to it.  if not, i'd have an issue with them as well. [/quote] Note to self: beware of bullet's assumptions. They are used to construct "straw man" arguments that he then addresses when no one else brought them up. Review previous note re: logic vs bullet: the two don't go well together. At all [/quote] Oh Lordy, now bullet says he's a teacher. Can only hope he's kidding. [/quote] thanks for the insult.  no, i'm not kidding, and i'm very good at it.  i  invite you to come visit my room some time.  i've already apologized to you once for misinterpreting your post, but i can do nothing for you about your inability to read into the posts of others.  if you want to attack my opinions, feel free.  if you continue to attack me personally, you're going to have a short stay on this board.  [/quote] [b]what insult???[/b] go ahead and pull rank on me, that's the whimpy way out. I was addressing your fuzzy logic and then the fact that you're also a teacher made that issue even bigger. Get it yet? You can always shut me up (i.e. bullying) but you'd be better off addessing THE ISSUE than trying to make this personal. Its another example of you using "the straw man argument" (i.e. create something I didn't say, then addressing that rather than what I really said and meant). [/quote] the insult was your blatant disrespect for my being a teacher, and the insinuation that i would be bad at it based on one post i've made.  i've made several valid posts on two or three different threads about "THE ISSUE" that you've chosen not to address.  you're still hung up on one post.  it has nothing to do with pulling rank to win an argument.  if you do the same thing to anyone else, you'll be gone as well.  as for my "fuzzy logic", that was intentionally fuzzy to prove a point.  "but he said he was going to run up the score before the season started!" was used as a defense of Wise's coaching decisions.  My post was meant to show that saying you're going to do something before you do it doesn't make it right.  Obviously, robbing a house is not the same as running up a score in a basketball game.  The point was made, however, and several people were able to read into that post and get the point i was trying to make. 

[quote name="homeless" post="776570" timestamp="1268499529"] [quote author=homeless link=topic=67188.msg775841#msg775841 date=1268366961] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67188.msg775693#msg775693 date=1268349135] [quote author=im on fire link=topic=67188.msg775670#msg775670 date=1268346127] HE ALSO SAID " IM HERE TO WIN GAMES IF WE SCORE 100 POINTS A GAME THEN THAT MEANS WE WIN"  looks like he doing his JOB to me.  if he was at your school breaking these records i bet we would have a totally different convo, but its your schools they are beating so its a bad thing. [/quote]  it's none of "my" teams that he's beating. i'm going to assume you mean "white" schools. he's actually beating up on other minorities.  that's not at all the issue to me.  and if he was at "my" school, doing the same thing, not only would i have a problem with it, the principal and superintendent, both great basketball players in their day, would most likely put a stop to it.  if not, i'd have an issue with them as well. [/quote] Note to self: beware of bullet's assumptions. They are used to construct "straw man" arguments that he then addresses when no one else brought them up. Review previous note re: logic vs bullet: the two don't go well together. At all [/quote] Oh Lordy, now bullet says he's a teacher. Can only hope he's kidding. [/quote] thanks for the insult.  no, i'm not kidding, and i'm very good at it.  i  invite you to come visit my room some time.  i've already apologized to you once for misinterpreting your post, but i can do nothing for you about your inability to read into the posts of others.  if you want to attack my opinions, feel free.  if you continue to attack me personally, you're going to have a short stay on this board. 

it's as equally one-sided as Reilly's, and while i have no problem with his perspective, i still completely disagree with it.    I'll respect the opinion of an eleven-time national sportswriter of the year winner over that of an admittedly biased Yates alum.  i also think that the "basic fact" that he's claiming reilly got wrong is actually right.  if i'm not mistaken, Yates tried unsuccessfully earlier in the season to break the 100 point record, and failed, but have now successfully done it later in the season.  it's really a pretty insignificant point, one way or the other, but seeing as it is martin's big finish, i felt the need to refute it.  i'll agree with Martin's assessment that the kids are class acts, as what i've seen and read would indicate that to be true.  i don't, however, recall anywhere in Reilly's article where he attacks the kids.  one thing that's bothering me: people keep bringing up 60 point wins in football and trying to compare it to what Yates is doing.  i still think that is BS. there are certain unwritten rules in every sport:  you don't pass when you're up big in football, you don't stretch out base hits or bunt men over when you're up big in baseball, you use one-touch passes or only score on crosses in soccer, YOU DON'T PRESS IN THE SECOND HALF WHEN YOU'RE UP BIG IN BASKETBALL.  What's the difference between a football team winning by 60 or 70 and Yates winning by 100?  I've never heard of a HS football team that was up 50 at the half that came out and kept airing the ball out to try and score as many point as possible.  If the 3rd stringers come in and run the ball the entire 2nd half and score a couple of touchdowns, no problem.  If you put in the backups, but let your backup QB pass for 300 yards and 5 scores in the 2nd half and score 100 points, you're a tool.  When you're 3rd string is just a shade weaker than your 1st string, and you have them press and TRY to run up the score as high as you can, that's classless (In My Opinion).  Whether you agree with Wise or not, quit trying to compare him to coaches in other sports who actually make an effort to control the score and keep the clock running.  

[quote name="Puma" post="776146" timestamp="1268426165"] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67188.msg776113#msg776113 date=1268422585] [quote author=Rizon link=topic=67188.msg776110#msg776110 date=1268421979] OF just beat Liberty 24-2 in baseball. They should have just went to the plate and purposely struck out everytime once they were up by 15. I'm not saying Yates winning 175-35 (Not sure if that is the correct score) is right or pressing the whole game when you destroying the other team is right but it is the way he wants to play. It will more than likely come back at him one day. [/quote] i don't agree with OF scoring that many runs.  the difference being that in basketball you have options of easing up, slowing the ball down, calling off the press, etc etc.  in baseball, there's no way to slow things down to minimize the damage APART from actually asking the kids to purposefully fail.  each team is going to have to make 3 outs each inning, regardless of the score.  The good thing is that there is a mercy rule, which helps.  asking your players to intentionally strike out is a far cry from not pressing in basketball, or holding the ball a little longer before shooting to slow the game down, which is ALL Wise would have to do to gain the respect that his coaching record would deserve if he would show just a bit of class and humility.  [/quote] Bullets makes some good points.  Asking a kid to purposely strike out is entirely different than pulling back a press.  I would also disagree with OF beating Liberty 24-2 if, with a comfortable lead in the later innings of the game OF tried to [b]strectch singles into doubles, advanced on passed balls, continued to try to steal bases,  executed hit and runs or tried to squeeze in runs.[/b][/quote] very good point.

[quote name="Rizon" post="776110" timestamp="1268421979"] OF just beat Liberty 24-2 in baseball. They should have just went to the plate and purposely struck out everytime once they were up by 15. I'm not saying Yates winning 175-35 (Not sure if that is the correct score) is right or pressing the whole game when you destroying the other team is right but it is the way he wants to play. It will more than likely come back at him one day. [/quote] i don't agree with OF scoring that many runs.  the difference being that in basketball you have options of easing up, slowing the ball down, calling off the press, etc etc.  in baseball, there's no way to slow things down to minimize the damage APART from actually asking the kids to purposefully fail.  each team is going to have to make 3 outs each inning, regardless of the score.  The good thing is that there is a mercy rule, which helps.  asking your players to intentionally strike out is a far cry from not pressing in basketball, or holding the ball a little longer before shooting to slow the game down, which is ALL Wise would have to do to gain the respect that his coaching record would deserve if he would show just a bit of class and humility. 

[quote name="im on fire" post="776106" timestamp="1268421446"] YEAH "YOUR SCHOOL" WAS MENT TO BE RACIST.  ???   im not sure how you come up with this, but hey if you want to think/talk negative on a very solid program go for it.  i sure wont stop you.  i will make it simple for you though, so maybe you get a clear picture....."your school" means ANY school in the nation.   Yates broke a hundro at the state game....i bet if they score 100 in the final game they will be champs...again. [/quote] all i wanted was an explanation.  there have been several comments that basically boil down to  "you people" don't care when (insert white school here) runs up the score.  although there's nothing to back these comments up, the general point of these posts is "you're a racist because you only care that Yates is doing this because they're black".  this is the furthest thing from the truth in my case, and i erroneously thought you were making a similar allusion with your post.  now that you've explained, i see that i was wrong.  my apologies.  i get my feathers ruffled when people keep hinting at me being racist.  as for my talking negatively towards a very solid program, I WILL in fact continue to do so.  I have no problem with the kids, but the way the coach does things is despicable, in MY opinion. 

[quote name="bullets13000" post="775961" timestamp="1268404086"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=67188.msg775960#msg775960 date=1268404051] It's just hard for some people to witness [color=red]change[/color] [/quote] what kind of change, exactly? [/quote] bluedove?

[quote name="im on fire" post="775971" timestamp="1268405173"] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67188.msg775693#msg775693 date=1268349135] [quote author=im on fire link=topic=67188.msg775670#msg775670 date=1268346127] HE ALSO SAID " IM HERE TO WIN GAMES IF WE SCORE 100 POINTS A GAME THEN THAT MEANS WE WIN"  looks like he doing his JOB to me.  if he was at your school breaking these records i bet we would have a totally different convo, but its your schools they are beating so its a bad thing. [/quote]   it's none of "my" teams that he's beating. i'm going to assume you mean "white" schools. he's actually beating up on other minorities.  that's not at all the issue to me.  and if he was at "my" school, doing the same thing, not only would i have a problem with it, the principal and superintendent, both great basketball players in their day, would most likely put a stop to it.  if not, i'd have an issue with them as well. [/quote] are you racist?  where in my post did i mention anything about white or black schools.  you seem to have a problem with color, you pull that card in a couple post youve made.   youre not great unless someone is bad mouthing you....GREAT JOB YATES. [/quote] i'm a huge racist.  i teach inner city pre-k.  i haven't had a white student in 4 years.  yup, big racist.  i just wanted to know what you meant by "your schools".  sounded like you were trying to talk about white schools.  i don't really know what else you could've beent talking about.  if you'd read through my posts, the "race card" is something that i've been trying to say should not be pulled.  it continues to be done, though, in veiled little references.  and it's not "my" people that's doing it. 

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="775960" timestamp="1268404051"] It's just hard for some people to witness [color=red]change[/color] [/quote] what kind of change, exactly?

[quote name="Frogger09" post="775152" timestamp="1268323417"] 106 goals a game meant she was averaging about 5 a game, which means she was probably allowed to score as many as she could against the bad teams... i had games in high school where i had a hat trick in the first 15 minutes or so, but i would then either go sit the bench or go back and get some work in at sweeper.  [/quote] This is how coach Aimee Bates plays her team during the bad games, also. Not only to Chloe, but also anyone who begins to score excessively. From the games I saw, many girls would be taken out in the first 10 or 15 minutes sometimes because of already scoring 4. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe the most Chloe has scored in a single game has been 4.. and that was only in 2 or 3 games. [/quote] and that makes 50 goals in a season VERY, VERY impressive.  the most i ever had was 30, and we weren't blowing out a whole lot of teams, so i had a lot more game time than her to get even that many.

[quote name="SFA85" post="775737" timestamp="1268357172"] I will remember this whole whining about JY next time a Lake Travis or a SLC run up 70+ points in a football game...... [/quote] why not mention WOS?