Dick Vitale

It's ova... ::)

Ozen 48-43, 1:03 to go...

Timeout Ozen 44-38 1:55 left...

TO 3:25 to play Ozen 43-35.....

End of the 3rd Ozen 37-31

Halftime Ozen 26-25

Shocker so far..... ::)

End of the 1st qtr. Ozen 18, Nederland 13

First weekend in December...EVERYBODY won't be in the playoffs THAT long!  ;) :D...It would be HUGE!

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175431" timestamp="1328892216"] Sounds like you might be a supporter for a sort of Golden Triangle Only Tournament next year? [/quote] The 3A/4A/5A Golden Triangle Challenge......Hmmmmm...Wheels are turning....This might be a GREAT IDEA, actually...It would pull better than the YMBL...PA Memorial, Westbrook, Ozen, Central, Nederland, LCM, WOS, HJ, Silsbee, Kountze, Kelly, EC, Anahuac, Big Sandy, Evadale, Jasper, Hamshire Fannett....Maybe include Cleveland, Coldspring, North Shore, Baytown Lee, Baytown Sterling, and Channelview to make it BIGGER...Hmmmm...THIS CAN BE DONE....Next season...AAW? What do ya think? Find a large enough venue or two to host it..NOT A BAD IDEA.. 8)

Got word that they are appealing to stay in 4A and should easily be granted the appeal.

I called this one... 8)...Rasheed Sulaimon (Strake Jesuit), and Cameron Riddley (FB Bush) from the area....congrats fellas! 8)

Is that pic in the GAME gym? :o

[quote name="TeamJag-US" post="1175294" timestamp="1328851799"] They should go by FT percentage....but thats not an option is it? But in this case I don't think it makes any sense (other than the immense entertainment value) for them to play each other, they've both shown they can go toe to toe, let 'em settle the on court issue later on. [/quote] :o :o ::) ::)....Uhhhh, no...FT percentage? really? ::)

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1175218" timestamp="1328833917"] Go look up results from some games in 20-4A where a team heavily favored had to squeak out a win.. I bet I can tell you the reason for that one, Looking past the opponent! I never said I didnt agree with anyone out there about HJ and Silsbee finishing 1,2 in 20-4A IF they were there.. All I wanted to make known is that the success from 3A wouldnt make them automatic winners.. Teams learn how to play of press from game-time reps against it, and I know teams in this district would find the ways around it, and make HJ or Silsbee beat you in the Half-court.. The biggest reason for the success for HJ and Silsbee is the press.. They dont have to have to have great players, but the right ones to run the system.. Can u agree on that? [/quote] Dogs, HJ really does not press THAT much....YATES presses you from the time you get off the bus...HJ spot presses...that means its just a feel from the sideline when to apply some heat (pressure)..Silsbee is in your face man..They (Silsbee) are really too SMALL to be stretched out over 90 feet with no shot blocker, or post defense in the frontcourt...They scrap you to death and get tips while chasing...they are SO fast!! If they play Nederland or Central or Ozen 10 times this season, HJ and Silsbee wins 8 of 10...EASY...against all three of these teams. Sad but true.

Of course there is...a kid could get injured on the steps in the hallway too!  :D...I just think that your regular practice routine, less the conditioning, is essential at this point in the year..(if your team is not in shape at this point of the season, you're not going to get there anyway) You work on your stuff, then work on what your next opponent does...preparation...At this point in the year, your practice time is considerably shorter, and you do a lot of shooting and repetition work, in addition to game prep..fine tuning.. 8)

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1175207" timestamp="1328832450"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] Alright buddy, I think you dont seem to get it.. I will again give the credit to HJ and Silsbee for defeating the best teams 20-4A has to offer.. I Only take offense to people assuming the dominance would be the same in this district, just because your record from your 3A district says you win lots of games.. Not buying it.. Competitive week-in and week-out, unlike you guys, who pencil in the Silsbee game so you know when you have to get players ready to play basketball.. Not saying I know everything or that I know more than the other guy, just making an opinion and adding a thought that some might want to consider [/quote] With all of what you are saying taken into consideration, the fact remains that two 3A teams in 21-3A are just better than EVERY 4A team in the area right now...Quiet as its kept, POSSIBLY the two 5A teams as well....POSSIBLY...Here are the reasons: Hardin Jefferson has tradition, some good BASKETBALL players (not neccesarily just athletic), and are a well coached group that know how to win..Silsbee is the quickest team in the area, and they are also a group that plays in your face man defense, that MOST area teams just could not handle, and they are coached by a no nonsense old school guy in Sigler...Compared to the "top" 20-4A team in Nederland, they have ONE attribute in common...They have an outstanding head coach...How does Ozen compare? They HAD some good tradition going for them...what about Central? They have some athletes...HJ and Silsbee have a component that the other schools are sorely missing right now....PROGRAM...Coach English is building it, and right now its better than its ever been in Nederland...But honestly, it wasn't hard to top what had been done in Nederland's basketball history..Bottom line is, this is just a year of bad basketball as a whole in the upper (4A/5A) classifications...Ned is the best program of the big school bunch, but thats not saying much right now...is it?

[quote name="ST413" post="1175190" timestamp="1328831118"] I can understand the injury worry but,  (I don't know how it was then) the first place team now can have a from tuesday until the following friday. I would think you would want a game in there just to stay sharp. [/quote] P-R-A-C-T-I-C-E... ;)....At that point in the season, I would not worry about game sharpness...You have played a pre district and full district schedule..I just fine tune at that point... ;)

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1175186" timestamp="1328830437"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95677.msg1175173#msg1175173 date=1328829189] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=95677.msg1175169#msg1175169 date=1328828977] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95677.msg1174216#msg1174216 date=1328710586] Had this convo the other night....If you dropped Hardin Jefferson and Silsbee in district 20-4A, where would they finish THIS SEASON? I have a pretty good idea that this will hurt some egos on here, but its just a "hypothetical" scenario...Think about the head to head competitions here with those two 3A programs... 8)...my pick: They would finish 1 and 2... ;)...What do you guys think? [/quote] I cant help but agree with this post D, You have seen a lot of basketball, a lot more teams than me, and I know how you felt about the HJ/Silsbee match up, because you told me. "It's a college environment game" as you said. Also you said that "it was the BEST game you had seen all year." now the question remains, was it the best because of; A.) the level of play B.) the coaching adjustments C.) Wild crazy passionate fans D.) Style of play E.) All the above. [/quote] E for 100 Alex..... 8)....It WAS the best HS game that I had seen in this area all season long, by far...3A HJ vs. Silsbee....WOW. :o [/quote] I know you enjoyed it...I loved the analysis you provided about what you would do to counteract adjustments made....and behold when they would come out they were doing just that...You are a "guru" [/quote] Thanks... 8) I'm no guru (well maybe I am on here  :D)...I have had some unbelievable teachers though!!  ;D...I'm simply a basketball coach, turned business owner, and next season, I will be BOTH!  ;)....In the words of Bart Scott...CAN'T WAIT! 8)

[quote name="bullets13" post="1175172" timestamp="1328829131"] speaking of elite, we're not going to put an elite tag on a team that's been to state twice, and regionals what 5 times, in the last 6 years?  that's 34-1 this year, and 8-0 against the local district a classification up, including two wins totalling nearly a 40-point margin against the best two teams in that district?  your bias is showing, and it's irrational.  the same argument can be made for silsbee.  they've been to regionals nearly every year in the past 5 or 6, and have represented our area at state.  they're not one of the elite local teams?  i guess you think it should be Nederland, because they're looking for a 3-peat in a district that hasn't been strong in 5 years?  you got it, then. [b] Nederland's the elite team in the area[/b], they just aren't as good as the two best teams in 21-3A, and if they had to play each team twice in district, they'd be lucky to pull out 1 win in the 4 games this year. [/quote] No they are not.... ::)...elite? NO...they are a good, well coached team..Elite? they are not...

It depends on the situation and if its really necessary...I do not like warm up games...never did....BLUEDOVE3 was the PG on my dad's 33-3 team in the 70's (wont tell your age Dove) and he ended up getting hurt in a warm up game against Wheatley..My dad said it cost him a trip to Austin, and he never played a warm up game that did not matter again....Injuries are not the only issue here...You don't want to go into the playoffs with a loss that you did not have to take just for the sake of playing in a warm up game....momentum is huge when the playoffs hit..If you don't HAVE to play, then I don't think it helps at all at that point in the season.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1175169" timestamp="1328828977"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95677.msg1174216#msg1174216 date=1328710586] Had this convo the other night....If you dropped Hardin Jefferson and Silsbee in district 20-4A, where would they finish THIS SEASON? I have a pretty good idea that this will hurt some egos on here, but its just a "hypothetical" scenario...Think about the head to head competitions here with those two 3A programs... 8)...my pick: They would finish 1 and 2... ;)...What do you guys think? [/quote] I cant help but agree with this post D, You have seen a lot of basketball, a lot more teams than me, and I know how you felt about the HJ/Silsbee match up, because you told me. "It's a college environment game" as you said. Also you said that "it was the BEST game you had seen all year." now the question remains, was it the best because of; A.) the level of play B.) the coaching adjustments C.) Wild crazy passionate fans D.) Style of play E.) All the above. [/quote] E for 100 Alex..... 8)....It WAS the best HS game that I had seen in this area all season long, by far...3A HJ vs. Silsbee....WOW. :o

Westbrook has had talent over the last ten years....0 district championships,  and 3 playoff appearances, with 3 first round exits in 10 years.... ::)....  Central has also had talent...They were a fixture in the runner up spot behind Ozen, since they got in that district in 2002-03, which for all practical purposes was understandable and accepted in Beaumont ISD...My point is, there was no real big shift in talent in BISD, back then...If anything, Ozen LOST kids in hopes of becoming the first option at the other two schools (i.e. Westbrook's Trey McDowell, Jeremy Long, Golden Corner, etc.)  NOW Ozen is losing kids that they would have normally gotten due to the state of the current program...Where are they going? Central and Westbrook, (with some popping up in Sour Lake  ;)).  Not a good situation.

My point proven...The 3A teams in this area are just better than the 4A teams...Like Nash said, the results of this years head to head competition is unchangeable...Coach English is making Nederland respectable, but the truth of the matter is, they are just not that good..HJ and Silsbee would finish 1 and 2, and WOS would give the others fits as well if they were in there...And this season it is highly likely that Ozen would not even make the playoffs if those schools were in there...PITIFUL.. ::) ::)...SOMETHING needs to be done immediately...This would not even be a discussion in past years...Just pitiful... >:(

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1174903" timestamp="1328799597"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95694.msg1174901#msg1174901 date=1328799422] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95694.msg1174890#msg1174890 date=1328798753] I don't think Ozen is going to rebound quite so easy from Tuesday's debacle.  Nederland will take this 50-42. [/quote] Do you want to bet $20 with Dickie? [/quote]Um.... no. [/quote] Chicken.... 8)