Nederland @ West Orange-Stark

[spidersal]

The answer is simple. A culture change and good coaches. Neumann did it and he had several good assistants like pate and Spell. It is obvious that the dogs do not have a whole lot of talent, but you can overcome that through hard work and having football since. Those things can be taught. When you have a ton of penalties and are known around the area as playing dirty you want win many games. Also, you have to teach how to have success after several losing seasons. PNG doesn’t seem to have a problem with that. Why, because they hired a coach that believes in defense 1st and he has very good assistant coaches. Unfortunately Nederland does not!

[NHSBulldogFan]

2 hours ago, spidersal said:

The answer is simple. A culture change and good coaches. Neumann did it and he had several good assistants like pate and Spell. It is obvious that the dogs do not have a whole lot of talent, but you can overcome that through hard work and having football since. Those things can be taught. When you have a ton of penalties and are known around the area as playing dirty you want win many games. Also, you have to teach how to have success after several losing seasons. PNG doesn’t seem to have a problem with that. Why, because they hired a coach that believes in defense 1st and he has very good assistant coaches. Unfortunately Nederland does not!

" It is obvious that the dogs do not have a whole lot of talent"...that's the dumbest comment you've ever made on here

[spidersal]

So where is this talent that just gave up 33 points. If they had a little talent they would not have given up 33 points. So again if they have talent why are they play so poorly?

[AggiesAreWe]

9 minutes ago, spidersal said:

So where is this talent that just gave up 33 points. If they had a little talent they would not have given up 33 points. So again if they have talent why are they play so poorly?

Because a team allowed 33 points that means they have no talent?

So Newton, who gave up 44, has no talent?

Palestine Westwood gave up 48, no talent?

Lufkin gave up 59, no talent?

Huntsville gave up 49, no talent?

La Porte gave up 51, no talent?

PN-G gave up 35, no talent?

La Marque gave up 35, no talent?

DeSoto gave up 38, no talent?

Aledo gave up 28, no talent?

Duncanville gave up 28, no talent?

 

I could go on.

It's pretty asinine to think that a team has no talent because they gave up 33 points in a football game. Particularly to a team that has a pretty good offense.

 

[WOSdrummer99]

8 hours ago, spidersal said:

Why, because they hired a coach that believes in defense 1st and he has very good assistant coaches. Unfortunately Nederland does not!

This was what turned things around here. Khelvy would still be running for 2k yards while we gave up...

48 Silsbee

58 Newton 

49 Bellville

42, 44 La Vega 

49 Carthage

Only gave up 40+ 8x in previous 45 seasons btw. Im not being negative. Stating facts. Point is the staff can change philosophy and find traditional ways of winning again.

Bashing "talentless" kids is worse than hating on coaches. It's not all about the "dudes" and they shouldn't be subject to that filth.

[dj]

On 8/30/2026 at 9:19 AM, navydawg31 said:

Coach Rich and company are 2-0 against WOS… after Friday 3-0 

Nederland needs to run #2 more.i thought they gave WB a gift in this win.they should've not put #10 back in the game.the kid was hurt.if they had left #2 in I really do believe nederland would have won this  game.they we're at WB 30 with 3minutes to go and WB had 2 time outs left.

Edited yesterday at 06:24 AM by dj
Misspelled

[navydawg31]

3 hours ago, dj said:

Nederland needs to run #2 more.i thought they gave WB a gift in this win.they should've not put #10 back in the game.the kid was hurt.if they had left #2 in I really do believe nederland would have won this  game.they we're at WB 30 with 3minutes to go and WB had 2 time outs left.

You are correct… totally agree.

[Setxhasbeen]

WOS will literally run away with this one. They’re the real deal this season and they’ll make a statement again this week. 

[spidersal]

Ole Aggiesarewe has all the answers. I really don’t think all the teams you mentioned have been averaging giving up about 35 a game for the past several years. Since you seem to have all the answers, you tell me why they have been playing so bad for the past several years. Is it turnovers, penalties, injuries, poor coaching, a lack of talent. I could go on and on

[FrodoNDN]

Nederland looks pretty solid. WHo is the starting RB? #10?

[WOSdrummer99]

3 hours ago, FrodoNDN said:

Nederland looks pretty solid. WHo is the starting RB? #10?

According to MP roster? Jaedon Ned? Thats a good name for Ned RB if its right

[1970]

16 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

According to MP roster? Jaedon Ned? Thats a good name for Ned RB if its right

That could get confusing, like who's on first. 

[rvbulldogs]

I would put Ned back at safety. He gets dinged up too much at the RB position. He was a beast on defense as a sophomore. I really hope Nederland surprises us real soon but I’m just not sure. 

[AggiesAreWe]

6 hours ago, spidersal said:

Ole Aggiesarewe has all the answers. I really don’t think all the teams you mentioned have been averaging giving up about 35 a game for the past several years. Since you seem to have all the answers, you tell me why they have been playing so bad for the past several years. Is it turnovers, penalties, injuries, poor coaching, a lack of talent. I could go on and on

I only disputed your claim that a team that gives up 33 points in a game vs. a quality opponent makes them have no talent.

[spidersal]

I certainly understand what your saying which is a good point, however when you average giving up that type of average for several seasons in a row, I question talent level, coaching, and team’s mentality. I would imagine you would have a lot of doubts about winning when you have been losing for several years with most games not even being close

[AggiesAreWe]

12 minutes ago, spidersal said:

I certainly understand what your saying which is a good point, however when you average giving up that type of average for several seasons in a row, I question talent level, coaching, and team’s mentality. I would imagine you would have a lot of doubts about winning when you have been losing for several years with most games not even being close

For accuracy purposes, these are the point averages for Nederland the last 6 seasons:

                         Points Scored                Points Allowed

2025                      26                                   30

2024                      34                                    27

2023                      25                                    30

2022                      15                                     31

2021                      32                                     18

2020                      32                                     21

 

Over the last 6 seasons, Nederland has averaged scoring 27 points per game and averaged giving up 26 points per game.

Your 35 point average is a bit off.

[AggiesAreWe]

DCTF has WO-S as a 32 point favorite.

[spidersal]

I got you but 26 a game is pretty sad look at the last 4 years, right at 30 a game  you may call that ok, but I sure don’t. Good defense to me would be averaging 14 or less. I would not call averaging anything above that good

[WOSdrummer99]

5 minutes ago, spidersal said:

I got you but 26 a game is pretty sad look at the last 4 years, right at 30 a game  you may call that ok, but I sure don’t. Good defense to me would be averaging 14 or less. I would not call averaging anything above that good

Last time i crunched the all time numbers WOS was avg 13. Thats likely one of the best defenses ever in TX HS FB history. "Good" defense would be higher than 14.

[AggiesAreWe]

9 minutes ago, spidersal said:

I got you but 26 a game is pretty sad look at the last 4 years, right at 30 a game  you may call that ok, but I sure don’t. Good defense to me would be averaging 14 or less. I would not call averaging anything above that good

The last 4 seasons they have given up an average of 29.5 a game.

I don't consider it good. But I also don't consider it talentless.