Tarkington is open/Jake Howard has been hired

[oldschool2]

On 4/23/2026 at 5:23 PM, CDub86 said:

Just looked up Brock, holy crap what a record!

The median household income in Brock, Texas, is approximately $95,876 to $104,443 per year, based on recent 2026 data.

As of 2026, the median household income in Onalaska, Texas, is approximately $51,912.

 

It's not going to be the same.

 

[89Falcon]

6 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

The median household income in Brock, Texas, is approximately $95,876 to $104,443 per year, based on recent 2026 data.

As of 2026, the median household income in Onalaska, Texas, is approximately $51,912.

 

It's not going to be the same.

 

Can’t base everything solely on median income. They are likely to have a successful transition if they take the approach indicated. It will wipe Coldspring out and will likely put the hurt on Livingston as well. Lack of football at Onalaska is a reason why many kids go to CS and LV now.

[AssistantCoach]

I wonder if all the schools around Lufkin and Nacogdoches will follow Onalaska and add football.  

4A Hudson

3A Pollok Central and Central Heights

2A Woden, Douglass

I'm sure I missed a few. 

[oldschool2]

18 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Can’t base everything solely on median income. They are likely to have a successful transition if they take the approach indicated. It will wipe Coldspring out and will likely put the hurt on Livingston as well. Lack of football at Onalaska is a reason why many kids go to CS and LV now.

Definitely not solely on median income.  But it's a factor.. and one that's pretty frequent among football powerhouses.  There are very few consistently dominant high school football programs that don't have very much money in the community.  But on the other side of the argument....

Moneyball is a very real thing.

[89Falcon]

5 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Definitely not solely on median income.  But it's a factor.. and one that's pretty frequent among football powerhouses.  There are very few consistently dominant high school football programs that don't have very much money in the community.  But on the other side of the argument....

Moneyball is a very real thing.

Programs with “money in the community” is different than “median income”. What do you suppose is the median income in Carthage, SOC, North Shore, Newton, Refugio, Franklin, etc?

[CDub86]

It’s official. Vindicator posted it on FB.

Coaches/People in the know, what can we expect?

[AggiesAreWe]

1 hour ago, CDub86 said:

It’s official. Vindicator posted it on FB.

Coaches/People in the know, what can we expect?

So what's the name?

[CDub86]

Just now, AggiesAreWe said:

So what's the name?

Jake Howard

[AggiesAreWe]

Jake Howard has been named athletic director/head football coach.

[CDub86]

Just now, CDub86 said:

Jake Howard

Former Willis ST Coordinator.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

56 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Jake Howard has been named athletic director/head football coach.

Was waiting. Thanks. I checked in late. 

[oldschool2]

20 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Programs with “money in the community” is different than “median income”. What do you suppose is the median income in Carthage, SOC, North Shore, Newton, Refugio, Franklin, etc?

Median household income is generally used as a benchmark for measuring relative poverty.  I already said that there are exceptions.  You listed some of said exceptions.  Now do median household income for Mart, Brock, Aledo, Allen, Austin LT and WL, Katy... 

I think the comparison made in this conversation was Brock and Onalaska.  I'd bet a considerable amount of money that the median household incomes in this particular comparison is an indicator to how much money is in the community, how much money is paid in school taxes, how much money in pumped into the athletic programs.  I agree, it's not always an accurate representation.  

[89Falcon]

1 hour ago, oldschool2 said:

Median household income is generally used as a benchmark for measuring relative poverty.  I already said that there are exceptions.  You listed some of said exceptions.  Now do median household income for Mart, Brock, Aledo, Allen, Austin LT and WL, Katy... 

I think the comparison made in this conversation was Brock and Onalaska.  I'd bet a considerable amount of money that the median household incomes in this particular comparison is an indicator to how much money is in the community, how much money is paid in school taxes, how much money in pumped into the athletic programs.  I agree, it's not always an accurate representation.  

I provided some examples. I could easily offer a similar exception for every example that you believe to be the rule. Could also provide a list of affluent communities that are pathetic in football.

[oldschool2]

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

I provided some examples. I could easily offer a similar exception for every example that you believe to be the rule. Could also provide a list of affluent communities that are pathetic in football.

Do you not believe that the money put into sports programs have an overall more positive impact than those same programs in schools that can't put similar funding?  (facilities, equipment, training programs, coaching caliber, number of coaches, kids' time/ability to train, etc.).  So that doesn't matter because of some exceptions that prove otherwise? 

If that's what you're saying, let's just agree to disagree.  And in the case of Onalaska and Brock.. I don't think it matters how closely Onalaska develops the football program to how Brock did it.  It will not yield the same results.. or even close to.   Large in part to the list of things I just provided. 

[89Falcon]

27 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Do you not believe that the money put into sports programs have an overall more positive impact than those same programs in schools that can't put similar funding?  (facilities, equipment, training programs, coaching caliber, number of coaches, kids' time/ability to train, etc.).  So that doesn't matter because of some exceptions that prove otherwise? 

If that's what you're saying, let's just agree to disagree.  And in the case of Onalaska and Brock.. I don't think it matters how closely Onalaska develops the football program to how Brock did it.  It will not yield the same results.. or even close to.   Large in part to the list of things I just provided. 

I am saying that money put into programs, often does not originate with median household income. I am also saying that for every example of an affluent area that is successful there is one that is unsuccessful. 
 

***There are few schools in Texas history that have matched Brock results. That is irrelevant for determining if they utilized an effective model for other schools.

[oldschool2]

14 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

I am saying that money put into programs, often does not originate with median household income. I am also saying that for every example of an affluent area that is successful there is one that is unsuccessful. 

I'd have to see some statistics on that.  I'm not believing that high household incomes doesn't correlate to money pumped into public school athletic programs.  And also.. money that it takes to put student athletes through offseason leagues/camps/training.  I'd never say that exceptions aren't out there.. but you won't convince me that the ratio of kids of affluent homes and kids of poor homes is anywhere near equal in total numbers when it comes to participation in year round playing/training.  There's just no way.

[89Falcon]

13 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

I'd have to see some statistics on that.  I'm not believing that high household incomes doesn't correlate to money pumped into public school athletic programs.  And also.. money that it takes to put student athletes through offseason leagues/camps/training.  I'd never say that exceptions aren't out there.. but you won't convince me that the ratio of kids of affluent homes and kids of poor homes is anywhere near equal in total numbers when it comes to participation in year round playing/training.  There's just no way.

Not sure where I said “household income doesn’t contribute to money pumped into programs”. What I did say is: there are “many” programs “with money” that are in poor socioeconomic areas. The greatest influx of $$ comes from local industry. 
 

I also said: “for every successful affluent area there is another one that is unsuccessful”. The unsuccessful affluent programs are not an “exception” and the successful non-affluent areas are not an exception either. 

[Reagan]

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