ANOTHER ICE SHOOTING IN Minneapolis

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, thetragichippy said:

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The huge difference is this is what happened when Kyle and the police met,,,,,,

He surrendered without incident......

 

Another huge difference is one was against looters, one was against ICE.

[baddog]

The liberals, who hate the 2nd amendment and want stricter gun controls, up to and including forfeiture, are taking the side of an armed gunman. Any way the wind blows….

[baddog]

39 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Another huge difference is one was against looters, one was against ICE.

Both were ex-cons with one being a sex offender. Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges.

[Reagan]

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

Justified. Just as the Good shooting was. This one is fuzzier, but will likely be ruled justified as well, although it’s a bad one. 

Justified ruling, well we know how the system works.  But, correct me if I’m wrong, she didn’t have a gun and she didn’t attack law enforcement.  

[tvc184]

6 hours ago, DCT said:

They are in fact FLEO.  I was the one who said 47 days was not enough training.  

CBP training is six months.  

[DCT]

4 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

CBP training is six months.  

I  completed training in Glynco in 1996. CBP training is for Border security not inner city crowd control.

[DCT]

43 minutes ago, DCT said:

I  completed training in Glynco in 1996. CBP training is for Border security not inner city crowd control.

Several agencies train there. The curriculum is totally different for each branch.  6 weeks is shorter than basic  training you.  You are getting the very basics.

[TheMissingBand]

8 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

CBP training is six months.  

ICE training was shortened last year to six and a half, six days weeks. 
 

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[Reagan]

Let’s not cloud the fact that it’s the leftest that are getting people killed.  

[DCT]

4 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Let’s not cloud the fact that it’s the leftest that are getting people killed.  

Lack of training played a role among other things. Did you say that on J6?

[TheMissingBand]

9 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

CBP training is six months.  

I value your perspective as an instructor of policemen. I expect you to be more sympathetic to the blue whenever any latitude can be given, but I still like to hear what you think. 
 

Can you give your opinion on the two Minnesota shootings? Do you agree with the tactics of the shooter in the first episode (standing in front of the car, shooting as the suspect flees, etc).  Same thing with the second incident… how do you feel about the agent that shoved the lady to the ground which seemed to trigger the whole confrontation? The pistol whipping, the celebration by agents immediately after, etc. Were these incidents handled “by the book,” or do you feel the actions by agents were outside the bounds of what you’d expect from LEOs?

[baddog]

Woman tries for a selfie with a snow leopard….got attacked. Liberals would say kill the leopard….

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[bullets13]

21 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Justified ruling, well we know how the system works.  But, correct me if I’m wrong, she didn’t have a gun and she didn’t attack law enforcement.  

Capital police were protecting members of congress, and had barricaded doors and were posted up with guns drawn. An angry mob broke a window and she was the first one through, despite lawful commands to stop. Officers had no way of knowing whether she was armed or not, but they certainly knew she was breaking through despite their commands, and that if she led an angry mob through they could overpower officers and possibly hurt the people the officers are paid to protect. If she’d been a democrat a lot of guys would be saying she got what she deserved. It’s a very similar situation to this one, where everyone on here is saying “it wasn’t a great shoot, but if he’d just complied…” and what she was doing was way worse than what Pretti did. But even if you don’t agree with me (and the law, and the courts), what would you do if me and 20 buddies came over to your house and broke through your barricaded window and tried to come inside? You gonna let me get all the way in and try to find out if I’m armed? 

[bullets13]

6 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

I value your perspective as an instructor of policemen. I expect you to be more sympathetic to the blue whenever any latitude can be given, but I still like to hear what you think. 
 

Can you give your opinion on the two Minnesota shootings? Do you agree with the tactics of the shooter in the first episode (standing in front of the car, shooting as the suspect flees, etc).  Same thing with the second incident… how do you feel about the agent that shoved the lady to the ground which seemed to trigger the whole confrontation? The pistol whipping, the celebration by agents immediately after, etc. Were these incidents handled “by the book,” or do you feel the actions by agents were outside the bounds of what you’d expect from LEOs?

The officer in the first shooting wasn’t “standing in front of the car”. He was in fact walking in from the side until she gunned it forward and turned her wheels. But even if he’d stood stationary directly in front of her while she was parked, his shooting was obviously justified. The second shooting is a lot worse. I still think it’s gonna get ruled justified, but it’s much less clear cut, and the officers did a much worse job before, during, and after the incident. For what it’s worth, I’m comfortable saying I believe neither shooting victim was trying to hurt law enforcement. 

[Reagan]

4 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Capital police were protecting members of congress, and had barricaded doors and were posted up with guns drawn. An angry mob broke a window and she was the first one through, despite lawful commands to stop. Officers had no way of knowing whether she was armed or not, but they certainly knew she was breaking through despite their commands, and that if she led an angry mob through they could overpower officers and possibly hurt the people the officers are paid to protect. If she’d been a democrat a lot of guys would be saying she got what she deserved. It’s a very similar situation to this one, where everyone on here is saying “it wasn’t a great shoot, but if he’d just complied…” and what she was doing was way worse than what Pretti did. But even if you don’t agree with me (and the law, and the courts), what would you do if me and 20 buddies came over to your house and broke through your barricaded window and tried to come inside? You gonna let me get all the way in and try to find out if I’m armed? 

Interesting that she was the only one shot in this mob attack.  

[Reagan]

10 minutes ago, DCT said:

Lack of training played a role among other things. Did you say that on J6?

Take the leftest radicals away and let ICE do their job, these killings would not have happened.  So, no, it has nothing to do with training.  

[bullets13]

4 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Interesting that she was the only one shot in this mob attack.  

She was the only one who tried to go through the window where police had guns drawn and were actively yelling commands and protecting congress in rooms behind them. Once she was shot the mob quit trying to break through the door and climb through the window.  You ignored my question. If me and 20 of my buddies come to your house and break your window what are you going to do when the first person comes through that window? Frisk them for firearms or protect your family? 

[Reagan]

3 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

She was the only one who tried to go through the window where police had guns drawn and were actively yelling commands and protecting congress in rooms behind them. Once she was shot the mob quit trying to break through the door and climb through the window.  You ignored my question. If me and 20 of my buddies come to your house and break your window what are you going to do when the first person comes through that window? Frisk them for firearms or protect your family? 

I wonder if there’s any video of this shooting?

[DCT]

29 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

CBP training is six months.  

Lieutenant,  the video shows the guy has his gun taken, he is on the ground, no real threat there.  If my guys did that on the beat?  We’d all be looking at prison time.

[TheMissingBand]

3 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

The officer in the first shooting wasn’t “standing in front of the car”. He was in fact walking in from the side until she gunned it forward and turned her wheels. But even if he’d stood stationary directly in front of her while she was parked, his shooting was obviously justified. The second shooting is a lot worse. I still think it’s gonna get ruled justified, but it’s much less clear cut, and the officers did a much worse job before, during, and after the incident. For what it’s worth, I’m comfortable saying I believe neither shooting victim was trying to hurt law enforcement. 

We’re not that far apart… I feel like the shooter in the first incident put himself into a really, really bad spot by positioning himself in front of a car for any reason, but specially if it was potentially going to flee like in this case… I personally though that she turned her wheels and tried to avoid him.  I don’t like the fact that he fired into the car as she was driving by. I’m all in favor of shooting a murderer if he’s attempting to flee and potentially hurt more people. I’m not as excited about shooting someone who’s attempting to flee a basic traffic stop. It’s just too much. Do I think that the officer positioned himself in harms way to justify shooting a “f b” as he called her? No. My opinion is that he was very poorly trained. 
 

The one on Saturday was just a train wreck. It’s hard to justify, other than to say “accidents happen,” I guess. 

[bullets13]

3 minutes ago, Reagan said:

I wonder if there’s any video of this shooting?

Not sure if that’s sarcasm or not. Still dodging my question. 

[TheMissingBand]

7 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

She was the only one who tried to go through the window where police had guns drawn and were actively yelling commands and protecting congress in rooms behind them. Once she was shot the mob quit trying to break through the door and climb through the window.  You ignored my question. If me and 20 of my buddies come to your house and break your window what are you going to do when the first person comes through that window? Frisk them for firearms or protect your family? 

For me? I’m gonna spring from my bed buck naked and grab the 9 (and at least one extra mag) from the nightstand on go on the offensive with that spare mag tucked between my cheeks. I think being unclothed would make me harder to subdue if they even willing to put their hands on me. 

[bullets13]

9 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

We’re not that far apart… I feel like the shooter in the first incident put himself into a really, really bad spot by positioning himself in front of a car for any reason, but specially if it was potentially going to flee like in this case… I personally though that she turned her wheels and tried to avoid him.  I don’t like the fact that he fired into the car as she was driving by. I’m all in favor of shooting a murderer if he’s attempting to flee and potentially hurt more people. I’m not as excited about shooting someone who’s attempting to flee a basic traffic stop. It’s just too much. Do I think that the officer positioned himself in harms way to justify shooting a “f b” as he called her? No. My opinion is that he was very poorly trained. 
 

The one on Saturday was just a train wreck. It’s hard to justify, other than to say “accidents happen,” I guess. 

I don’t think she was trying to avoid him, I think she didn’t see him. She was more than likely concentrating on the officer yelling orders at her through her open window and trying to open her door. He wasn’t in front of her car at that time, he was walking in from the right as the other officer was a foot away from her on the left yelling. She pulled out and away from the closer officer, directly at the officer who shot her. She hit the officer, clearly, and his first shot went through the front of her window. The reaction time it takes the brain to quit shooting was well within the timeframe of his 3 shots. I’d be upset about two shots into the window if her continuing to turn the car hadn’t changed what was in front of him, if that makes sense. In the space of about a second he went from shooting straight into the windshield to shooting through the driver’s side window of a rapidly rotating car without really changing the angle he was shooting much (and a split second after said car had hit him). 

[TheMissingBand]

Just now, bullets13 said:

I don’t think she was trying to avoid him, I think she didn’t see him. She was more than likely concentrating on the officer yelling orders at her through her open window and trying to open her door. She pulled out and away from him, directly at the officer who shot her. She hit the officer, clearly, and his first shot went through the front of her window. The reaction time it takes the brain to quit shooting was well within the timeframe of his 3 shots. I’d be upset about two shots into the window if her continuing to turn the car hadn’t changed what was in front of him, if that makes sense. In the space of about a second he went from shooting straight into the windshield to shooting through the driver’s side window without really changing the angle he was shooting much. 

It looked to me like he was clear of the car when he fired the first shot. It went into the windshield about two inches from the outside edge. BUT, if he believed that she just tried to run him down, and since he was seriously injured in a similar situation months ago, I can understand being a little quick on the trigger.

 

I guess the real difference is this… either side can say “if you weren’t here this wouldn’t have happened.” And they’d both be right. 

[OlDawg]

Apparently, the BORTAC agents were still wearing body cameras.

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