Port Neches-Groves vs. South Oak Cliff Predictions

[TheMissingBand]

It’s comical to me when places recruit a super team then feel pride despite the fact that they couldn’t win with the talent they had on hand. 
 

Especially when you think what would happen if schools like PNG were willing to ignore the rules with all of the resources at their disposal.  
 

I’d rather lose with our kids that grew up here than win with some kids who stopped here for part of a season. 

[Matthew328]

42 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

It’s comical to me when places recruit a super team then feel pride despite the fact that they couldn’t win with the talent they had on hand. 
 

Especially when you think what would happen if schools like PNG were willing to ignore the rules with all of the resources at their disposal.  
 

I’d rather lose with our kids that grew up here than win with some kids who stopped here for part of a season. 

I can only think of one starter at SOC who transferred in this year...a WR from Skyline and I think Morton moved in 2.5 yrs ago....vast majority of those kids have been at SOC since their freshman year to my knowledge 

[setxathlete14]

1 hour ago, TheMissingBand said:

It’s comical to me when places recruit a super team then feel pride despite the fact that they couldn’t win with the talent they had on hand. 
 

Especially when you think what would happen if schools like PNG were willing to ignore the rules with all of the resources at their disposal.  
 

I’d rather lose with our kids that grew up here than win with some kids who stopped here for part of a season. 

When you become a prestige program I dont think they have to "recruit" oer say all that much and people want to move there to play.

[CS.]

1 hour ago, Matthew328 said:

I can only think of one starter at SOC who transferred in this year...a WR from Skyline and I think Morton moved in 2.5 yrs ago....vast majority of those kids have been at SOC since their freshman year to my knowledge 

Skyline and one from Grand Prairie 

just keep filling those “holes”

[Matthew328]

15 minutes ago, CS. said:

Skyline and one from Grand Prairie 

just keep filling those “holes”

ohhh wow they got one from GP..didnt know that one...thanks for the correction

[southoakcliffintellectual]

4 hours ago, TheMissingBand said:

It’s comical to me when places recruit a super team then feel pride despite the fact that they couldn’t win with the talent they had on hand. 
 

Especially when you think what would happen if schools like PNG were willing to ignore the rules with all of the resources at their disposal.  
 

I’d rather lose with our kids that grew up here than win with some kids who stopped here for part of a season. 

South Oak Cliff shares a 20 mile radius with Duncanville, Desoto, Waxahachie, Carter, Kimball, Roosevelt, Sunset, Adamson, Wilmer Hutchins, Lancaster and Red Oak: 6 playoff teams and 3 national contenders.  So that whole "super team" thing sounds like tears. 

 

Sure, a program's success can serve as a recruitment tool, but anyone in the know will tell you SOC lends out more talent than they get. Duncanville's last 5 star lived in SOC's community. As well as a ton of Desoto's starters.

 

SOC sent more players to the NFL than any other high school long before they sniffed a State Title appearance. The community has ALWAYS been overflowing with talent. 

 

SOC's problem has always been inadequate coaching and facilities. Now that they've caught up in those areas, folk are whining about the talent that has always been there.

 

PNG does well to compete wuth the like of SOC, just like any community. 

Be humble and enjoy the experience

[southoakcliffintellectual]

5 hours ago, SOC_Fatigue said:

...not to mention a sordid past of grade changes that caused multiple state titles to be stripped in other sports. I'm sure they learned their lesson since then. The lesson of how not to get caught.

Are we speaking on one grade from one student over 20 years ago, that ultimately came down to one assignment?  all of this from some overzealous teacher that ended up writing a book...?  go with the sensationalism if that makes you feel better.

 

the only thing sordid here is the behavior and lack of class from your community.

 

Win or lose, you're not doing your boys any favors 

[Lamar1996]

35 minutes ago, southoakcliffintellectual said:

South Oak Cliff shares a 20 mile radius with Duncanville, Desoto, Waxahachie, Carter, Kimball, Roosevelt, Sunset, Adamson, Wilmer Hutchins, Lancaster and Red Oak: 6 playoff teams and 3 national contenders.  So that whole "super team" thing sounds like tears. 

 

Sure, a program's success can serve as a recruitment tool, but anyone in the know will tell you SOC lends out more talent than they get. Duncanville's last 5 star lived in SOC's community. As well as a ton of Desoto's starters.

 

SOC sent more players to the NFL than any other high school long before they sniffed a State Title appearance. The community has ALWAYS been overflowing with talent. 

 

SOC's problem has always been inadequate coaching and facilities. Now that they've caught up in those areas, folk are whining about the talent that has always been there.

 

PNG does well to compete wuth the like of SOC, just like any community. 

Be humble and enjoy the experience

Look they know how to use ChatGPT.  Impressive!!

[Lamar1996]

31 minutes ago, southoakcliffintellectual said:

Are we speaking on one grade from one student over 20 years ago, that ultimately came down to one assignment?  all of this from some overzealous teacher that ended up writing a book...?  go with the sensationalism if that makes you feel better.

 

the only thing sordid here is the behavior and lack of class from your community.

 

Win or lose, you're not doing your boys any favors 

ChatGPT again!  Nice job!

[Boyz N Da Hood]

17 minutes ago, Lamar1996 said:

Look they know how to use ChatGPT.  Impressive!!

Really? Clowns like you put a bad name on the community. Hope they hang 50+ on they azz

[jayhawk]

I didn’t realize there were so many SOC apologists  on this fourm so in that light I got one thing to say and I quote  -----'----------" GO PNG"----'

[TheMissingBand]

Any team pulling from a population zone whose size matched the zone that SOC pulls from would be equally stout, if not more so. 
 

It’s the reason that Newton can’t compete with Allen.  When you have 300 kids to pick from, you get a certain level of talent… if you’ve got 15,000 kids to pick from, you’re going to end up with a team that wears out teams who have 2200 kids to pick from.  That’s not coaching, that’s not talent… they’re not breaking the rules, it’s just not something to be proud of.  

[Reagan]

The way I see it:  Last year SOC had the revenge factor in their corner.  This year they may a little over confident.  On the other side, I'm thinking PNG may have a little surprise in store.  We shall see!

[FrodoNDN]

Let's go Indians!

[southoakcliffintellectual]

5 hours ago, Lamar1996 said:

ChatGPT again!  Nice job!

We know how to pitch shut-outs too….

 

 

dont forget that one porky 🐷

[southoakcliffintellectual]

2 hours ago, Reagan said:

The way I see it:  Last year SOC had the revenge factor in their corner.  This year they may a little over confident.  On the other side, I'm thinking PNG may have a little surprise in store.  We shall see!

Yeah….. that’ll be a nawh dawg 

[southoakcliffintellectual]

3 hours ago, TheMissingBand said:

Any team pulling from a population zone whose size matched the zone that SOC pulls from would be equally stout, if not more so. 
 

It’s the reason that Newton can’t compete with Allen.  When you have 300 kids to pick from, you get a certain level of talent… if you’ve got 15,000 kids to pick from, you’re going to end up with a team that wears out teams who have 2200 kids to pick from.  That’s not coaching, that’s not talent… they’re not breaking the rules, it’s just not something to be proud of.  

That trailer theory has already been addressed and debunked via ChatGpt… ask your “mobile home community neighbor @Lamar1996 

 

 

[NHSBulldogFan]

On 11/30/2025 at 3:31 AM, Lamar1996 said:

You are entitled to your opinion as am I.  If you believe PNG will continue to have issues moving the ball this week as well, then you haven’t seen PNG play much this season.  Our coaches are pretty good at making the necessary adjustments.  Same will hold true again this coming Friday.  And those first three games of the year SOC has played were all close against better defensives than their last 10 games.  They will struggle to score on our defense than their last cupcakes they have been playing against lately and who knows what will happen from there.  

PN-G played one heck of a game defensively but those offensive woes continued tonight 

[Teamlast]

11 hours ago, Matthew328 said:

I can only think of one starter at SOC who transferred in this year...a WR from Skyline and I think Morton moved in 2.5 yrs ago....vast majority of those kids have been at SOC since their freshman year to my knowledge 

 

[Matthew328]

21 minutes ago, Teamlast said:

 

As I said, last year...Morton moved in 2.5 years ago...he was at SOC last year as a junior...he transferred over spring of his sophomore year

[Darth Texas]

2 hours ago, Matthew328 said:

As I said, last year...Morton moved in 2.5 years ago...he was at SOC last year as a junior...he transferred over spring of his sophomore year

What does that change? Who said anything had to be limited to transfers that occurred this season? The effect is the same. 

[TheMissingBand]

7 hours ago, southoakcliffintellectual said:

That trailer theory has already been addressed and debunked via ChatGpt… ask your “mobile home community neighbor @Lamar1996 

 

 

You’re missing my point. If a Golden Triangle school could pull athletes from the entire Jefferson/Orange/Hardin County area while still maintaining a 5A D2 sized enrollment, they’d be competitive, if not beat SOC. The athletes would be comparable, but facilities, community support, coaching, etc would outdo what SOC can offer. But geographically it’s not possible here in SETX, but it is possible in Dallas because the attendance zone is smaller in geographic size. 
 

The situation isn’t wrong, but it’s not really fair, either. But using a magnet or charter system to form a super team, then being proud of the fact you beat teams who aren’t able to consolidate athletes from a 6 school attendance zone isn’t anything to be proud of.  
 

Example…. Our local youth football league (STJFL) takes on all players, then fields teams accordingly. Some cities like ours (population 8,000) would field two teams for each age range because that many kids signed up. Then you have one of our neighbors (population 50,000) put together a single team. They hold tryouts, cut kids, etc…. It’s a select team.
 

If your select team drawn from a pool of 1300 kids is beating the 30 kids assigned to a team from a pool of 90 kids… it’s nothing to be proud of. But I think it’s a flaw that isn’t seen as a flaw in some communities. 

But y’all have recruited another fine team this year. Congratulations on your “win.”
 

[pakronos]

19 hours ago, TheMissingBand said:

It’s comical to me when places recruit a super team then feel pride despite the fact that they couldn’t win with the talent they had on hand. 
 

Especially when you think what would happen if schools like PNG were willing to ignore the rules with all of the resources at their disposal.  
 

I’d rather lose with our kids that grew up here than win with some kids who stopped here for part of a season. 

PNG recruits from PA. Enough said

[pakronos]

50 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

You’re missing my point. If a Golden Triangle school could pull athletes from the entire Jefferson/Orange/Hardin County area while still maintaining a 5A D2 sized enrollment, they’d be competitive, if not beat SOC. The athletes would be comparable, but facilities, community support, coaching, etc would outdo what SOC can offer. But geographically it’s not possible here in SETX, but it is possible in Dallas because the attendance zone is smaller in geographic size. 
 

The situation isn’t wrong, but it’s not really fair, either. But using a magnet or charter system to form a super team, then being proud of the fact you beat teams who aren’t able to consolidate athletes from a 6 school attendance zone isn’t anything to be proud of.  
 

Example…. Our local youth football league (STJFL) takes on all players, then fields teams accordingly. Some cities like ours (population 8,000) would field two teams for each age range because that many kids signed up. Then you have one of our neighbors (population 50,000) put together a single team. They hold tryouts, cut kids, etc…. It’s a select team.
 

If your select team drawn from a pool of 1300 kids is beating the 30 kids assigned to a team from a pool of 90 kids… it’s nothing to be proud of. But I think it’s a flaw that isn’t seen as a flaw in some communities. 

But y’all have recruited another fine team this year. Congratulations on your “win.”
 

Crazy facts. PA  have homegrown players. What’s yall excuse for being 5-1 against PAM? Yall have had the best of every thing and STILL can’t beat PAM. Sounds like sore losers 

[NHSBulldogFan]

54 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

You’re missing my point. If a Golden Triangle school could pull athletes from the entire Jefferson/Orange/Hardin County area while still maintaining a 5A D2 sized enrollment, they’d be competitive, if not beat SOC. The athletes would be comparable, but facilities, community support, coaching, etc would outdo what SOC can offer. But geographically it’s not possible here in SETX, but it is possible in Dallas because the attendance zone is smaller in geographic size. 
 

The situation isn’t wrong, but it’s not really fair, either. But using a magnet or charter system to form a super team, then being proud of the fact you beat teams who aren’t able to consolidate athletes from a 6 school attendance zone isn’t anything to be proud of.  
 

Example…. Our local youth football league (STJFL) takes on all players, then fields teams accordingly. Some cities like ours (population 8,000) would field two teams for each age range because that many kids signed up. Then you have one of our neighbors (population 50,000) put together a single team. They hold tryouts, cut kids, etc…. It’s a select team.
 

If your select team drawn from a pool of 1300 kids is beating the 30 kids assigned to a team from a pool of 90 kids… it’s nothing to be proud of. But I think it’s a flaw that isn’t seen as a flaw in some communities. 

But y’all have recruited another fine team this year. Congratulations on your “win.”
 

Still have to have coaching...do you know how many teams that had a ton of talent over the years lost because of coaching quite a few