Reagan Posted Friday at 10:01 PM Report Posted Friday at 10:01 PM 2 hours ago, kirkwood29 said: On a different yet more important note - The town of Warren could be SOLD and they still would not have enough money to purchase Scott Surratt No one said he's going to Warren. We are debating coaches vs athletes and using Surratt as the GOAT barometer. Quote
Reagan Posted Friday at 10:02 PM Report Posted Friday at 10:02 PM 6 hours ago, bullets13 said: Surratt went to a school with good athletes already in place and got the most out of them. Won a couple of championships, got the backing of the community, got great facilities, and now many of the best players from all the surrounding communities find ways to play there. He's as elite as it gets, but now that the talent is funneling in and the community has the reputation as title town, another solid coach could step in there and keep winning. On the flipside, Surratt is not going to a place with no talent and no support and have them winning championships quickly without players moving in and better facilities. and he's not moving down to the valley and taking over a team and winning state championships in 7 or 70 years. He could dominate that area, but he's still going to lose with his teams when they face dallas and houston late in the playoffs. If this is the case then why didn't any of the previous coaches win at least one State Title? Surratt won it in his second year. The three previous coaches' records: Decent but not great! 2000 1-9-0 161-310 Charles Lafall 2001 1-9-0 96-269 Charles Lafall 2002 TRI 7-5-0 270-167 Charles Lafall 2003 R 8-4-0 360-293 Benny Mitchell 2004 6-4-0 315-286 Benny Mitchell 2005 TH 7-5-0 327-206 Mike Bickham 2006 7-3-0 325-202 Mike Bickham Quote
89Falcon Posted Saturday at 10:19 PM Report Posted Saturday at 10:19 PM On 3/20/2026 at 5:02 PM, Reagan said: If this is the case then why didn't any of the previous coaches win at least one State Title? Surratt won it in his second year. The three previous coaches' records: Decent but not great! 2000 1-9-0 161-310 Charles Lafall 2001 1-9-0 96-269 Charles Lafall 2002 TRI 7-5-0 270-167 Charles Lafall 2003 R 8-4-0 360-293 Benny Mitchell 2004 6-4-0 315-286 Benny Mitchell 2005 TH 7-5-0 327-206 Mike Bickham 2006 7-3-0 325-202 Mike Bickham Pretty certain that everyone has said that SS is the greatest high school coach in Texas history. Still doesn't mean that he did not have some things go his way with a confluence of factors. Mr. Buddy Garrity and bullets13 1 1 Quote
bullets13 Posted 4 hours ago Report Posted 4 hours ago On 3/20/2026 at 5:02 PM, Reagan said: If this is the case then why didn't any of the previous coaches win at least one State Title? Surratt won it in his second year. The three previous coaches' records: Decent but not great! 2000 1-9-0 161-310 Charles Lafall 2001 1-9-0 96-269 Charles Lafall 2002 TRI 7-5-0 270-167 Charles Lafall 2003 R 8-4-0 360-293 Benny Mitchell 2004 6-4-0 315-286 Benny Mitchell 2005 TH 7-5-0 327-206 Mike Bickham 2006 7-3-0 325-202 Mike Bickham Nobody is arguing that he’s not elite. He’s an incredible coach, easily argued as the best to ever do it in THSF. But the pieces had to be there for him to put the puzzle together. Warren is a $.50 garage sale puzzle with half the puzzle missing completely and 2/3 of what’s left being from the wrong puzzles. The greatest puzzle master in the world might be able to get the most out of those pieces, but he isn’t completing it. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
oldschool2 Posted 1 hour ago Report Posted 1 hour ago On 3/19/2026 at 11:55 PM, Reagan said: True! I believe 1,000% that within 7 years Surratt could win a State Title. What in his head coaching history would make you think he couldn't? I guess you also believe that "athletes" only started showing up at Carthage when Surratt showed up?! From 1924 to 2007 (when Surratt showed up) and through 20 head coaches no "athletes" ever showed up because there were no State Titles, according to your thoughts. I understand you have to believe this because then you would have to believe that there are special coaches than can do this. And as you said there's no coaches that good. At any one time there are only about 3-5% of the coaches that can accomplish this. And that percentage may be generous. Let me put one to you. Since you, and others, feel there are no differences in coaches that it all depends who gets the "athletes" and who doesn't, I submit this for you viewing pleasure: Back in 2007 when Surratt was hired, let's instead slip this name into that slot: How about the former Nederland coach Bobby August. According to you, and others, that since the "athletes" started showing up in 2007 that Carthage's outcome would look the same today if August was the coach. Remember -- ya'll think it doesn't matter who the coach is because all that matters is if you are lucky enough to have the "athletes"! I believe Warren has more students than Newton. What I'm not sure is, are there always transfers at Newton like you talk about? Or has it just been bad coaching at Warren?! I've truly never had a more aggravating conversation in all of sports than this.. because of your ridiculous mentality on the subject. Hey genius... not me or anyone else is saying that Surratt isn't the best high school football coach to have ever done it. Nor is anyone saying that ANY coach could win if they had the right athletes. Nor is anyone saying that athletes started showing up when he got there. What is actually wrong with you to think that's the argument? How are you not understanding that it takes a combination of coaching AND talent? Not every school has talent... not the talent it takes to win a title. NO TALENT AT ALL. You said, "What in his head coaching history would make you think he couldn't?" That's easy.. it's nothing to do with him, personally. It's the literal countless examples of other coaches that are elite according to your own definition... that never sniffed another championship after reaching your level of elite. Even if you only use high school football examples.. which is stupid.. but whatever. Do you honestly think that Tom Westerburg is the only example? He's being used as the example over and over again just because it was a recent situation. Reaching elite status while at Allen, and then never even getting close to Cowboy Stadium again after leaving. That alone should be all the proof you need that not every coach can win a state championship at any school. But.. I'll give you this. Your heels are dug in to your opinion on this. Mr. Buddy Garrity and BBtater984 1 1 Quote
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