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I don't think anyone here would argue that the injuns have had better personal the last couple years. And better Coaching without  question. The biggest separation was in the trenches., and not so much skill wise imo.... Talent is cyclical, it comes and goes. If Neds new staff lives up to expectations, I see no issue of much more competitive matchups in the future. It's all cyclical ,coaching and talent.....Lets give it some time and see...200 more kids is a plus but by no means the tell all year by year.

I hear both were told they could stay if they like........Oline coaches. Tough to replace everyone at once, next year may be different....

That's even better geographically and financially for the districts involved.  You need to contact the UIL and volunteer to serve on the realignment committee. The current committee is like you said, dumb or blind, or both.

DISTRICT 9
Barbers Hill, Baytown Sterling, Beaumont United, Beaumont Westbrook, Crosby, Galveston Ball, La Porte, Port Arthur Memorial.
DISTRICT 10
Galena Park, Houston Spring Woods, Houston Austin, Houston Madison, Houston Milby, Houston Sharpstown, Houston Sterling, Houston Waltrip, and Houston Westbury.
DISTRICT 11
Angleton, Fort Bend Kempner, Friendswood, Kingwood Park, Lufkin, New Caney Porter, and Pasadena. 
What's wrong with these district set-ups?  Two nine-team districts and one seven team district.  I agree with Austin85...why have Lufkin pass up KP and NCP on Highway 59 to play in District 9?  The drive to/from Angleton and Lufkin would not be fun, but it's doable.

Still, the UIL messed up with Lufkin passingup Porter, KPark, and Crosby to play in Dist 9 #dumb

Ever seen?  PA Lincoln's James Gamble says hello.  Coach Gamble had two All-Americans...Earl Evans (1973) and Anthony Allen (1986).  I think both won the Mr. Texas basketball award or whatever it was called in the seventies and eighties.  Evans went to UNLV and Allen to Georgetown.  Neither one had the NBA career that Boutte's Kendrick Perkins had, though.  Toss up between Coach Gamble and Coach Boutte, but I'm a slight lean for Coach Gamble...I'm old.

Ever seen?  PA Lincoln's James Gamble says hello.  Coach Gamble had two All-Americans...Earl Evans (1973) and Anthony Allen (1986).  I think both won the Mr. Texas basketball award or whatever it was called in the seventies and eighties.  Evans went to UNLV and Allen to Georgetown.  Neither one had the NBA career that Boutte's Kendrick Perkins had, though.  Toss up between Coach Gamble and Coach Boutte, but I'm a slight lean for Coach Gamble...I'm old.

Ever seen?  PA Lincoln's James Gamble says hello.  Coach Gamble had two All-Americans...Earl Evans (1973) and Anthony Allen (1986).  I think both won the Mr. Texas basketball award or whatever it was called in the seventies and eighties.  Evans went to UNLV and Allen to Georgetown.  Neither one had the NBA career that Boutte's Kendrick Perkins had, though.  Toss up between Coach Gamble and Coach Boutte, but I'm a slight lean for Coach Gamble...I'm old.

Is Coach Rich the candidate that Todd Dodge, Don Clayton, and Kevin Barbay recommended?  Do any of the Ned fans have the applicant list that you can post?  Good luck to Ned.  It's good times and good vibes when a program gets to hit the reset button and get the kids excited to compete.  Go Indians.  Peace.
P.S.  Did anyone over at NISD tell Coach Rich about Reagan's seven year expectation? (joking)

+1.  I watched the YouTube video (not live) where Dave Campbell's Greg Tepper interviewed UIL Deputy Director Jamey Harrison, and Harrison stated that the UIL contacted ISDs and ADs to accommodate as many school needs and wish lists as possible.  I had the exact same thought.  No one called PN-G or Lufkin.  And, did anyone at the UIL stop and think, something about Region 2 doesn't look right?  Which one of these is not like the others?  Crazy.  But, it is what it is.  Line up and go play.  Go Indians.  

He’s done that all year, but it’s the playoffs now.  Take the points 

2 gambles, no points. This is on Campbell.

PN-G often gets made fun of because of its core values of Honor, Pride, and Tradition, but those things matter.  As I get older and farther away from my time in the PN-GISD, I am more and more thankful for the generations of PN-G administrators, teachers, staff, and alumni that created all the great traditions and Indian Spirit culture that still mean the same thing in 2024 like they did in 1925.  What outanup said was 100% correct.  If you are a student at PN-G and you cannot find a group or activity to join, then you don't want one.  That makes this alum feel proud and I would feel that way if our football team was 16-0 or 0-10.  PN-GISD, alums, and the leaders in the cities of Port Neches and Groves want the kids to be involved from K-12...Honor, Pride, and Tradition meant something in 1925, it still means something today, and it will carry you a long way in life. Here's to Nederland finding the right coach, re-energizing the ISD, and the kids enjoying success.  I still gotta finish with Go Indians.

PN-G often gets made fun of because of its core values of Honor, Pride, and Tradition, but those things matter.  As I get older and farther away from my time in the PN-GISD, I am more and more thankful for the generations of PN-G administrators, teachers, staff, and alumni that created all the great traditions and Indian Spirit culture that still mean the same thing in 2024 like they did in 1925.  What outanup said was 100% correct.  If you are a student at PN-G and you cannot find a group or activity to join, then you don't want one.  That makes this alum feel proud and I would feel that way if our football team was 16-0 or 0-10.  PN-GISD, alums, and the leaders in the cities of Port Neches and Groves want the kids to be involved from K-12...Honor, Pride, and Tradition meant something in 1925, it still means something today, and it will carry you a long way in life. Here's to Nederland finding the right coach, re-energizing the ISD, and the kids enjoying success.  I still gotta finish with Go Indians.

Its a completely different culture across the board.  Barrow has caught a lot of heat and owns some of it but its a Nederland ISD issue.  I read a lot about kids playing multiple sports and all that.  It really goes to overall involvement.  PNG encourages a culture where kids are involved at a early age one way or the other.  From students doing broadcast during games, 75 girls in drill team, band, and all the way thru into their athletics.  Nederland needs to take a hard look at why their students are not getting involved.  I might be wrong but I believe if your a cheerleader or drill team at Nederland you are not allowed to participate in spring sports, but I know at PNG they can.  Why does one place have this type of participation in all there organizations and literally across the street their number shrink every year.  One answer culture.  Culture starts with your leaders and there is more than one leader at Nederland who should have to be answering these questions.  Barrow and a lot coaches are going to take the bullet for this and rightfully so but their is still plenty of people from Principal Natalie Gomez to our Superintendent who need to take a hard look at the type of culture they are creating around them.

Amen......and spot on. One thing about our neighbor school across the tracks....If there's not a place for you to fit in, it's cause you don't want one. Lot's of good things happening over there. I've always been a Huge supporter of Monte and company but he's gone now and it's time for change. Nederland doesn't have all the home growns and 2nd and 3rd generation kids anymore. So many have moved across the river, and to HF, Lumberton etc.......This isn't as big an issue in PNG. Just not as many diehard born and bred Bulldogs(CULTURE). Everyone needs a place to live but, Nederland is saturated with duplexes , apartments, and rental property. Say what you will but alot of these kids aren't diehards and necessarily Bulldogs due to moving in, out and around too much. This is a leadership problem, and it's in the lap of our City leaders. The ISD is saturated with kinfolks, classmates and GOB's. This can lead to an environment of complacency. It's uncomfortable to discipline kinfolk. This isn't saying Ned is all bad, it's just time for change. Top to bottom, and not just the coaching staff.
 

Lots of factors......Neumans 11,12,13 teams went big school. Faced Georgetown a couple times and Pearland Dawson. the 01 semifinal team lost to Smithson Valley in the Semis. They in turn lost to a Pretty salty SLC team in the SC game. Matchups mean alot. As we speak, there's no comparison in the coaching at the 2 schools. Joseph walked into a good roster, and turned it into a State Contender. Winning is contagious and everyone wants to be a part, therefore he's clearing the hallways and getting so many more to work with He's also developing these kids and doing a fantastic job. He also has the benefit of the small school route. Just my take.......

I've got alot of thoughts on this
There's not a drastic difference at QB, RB, or WR between the two schools IMO here's where the difference is...
PN-Gs offensive line this past year was the biggest I have ever seen at PN-G they are big and they can MOVE there is no comparison when you compare the offensive line of PN-G to Nederland PN-Gs offensive line can move mountains Nederland's offensive line could get blown over by a small win
PN-G-both offensive and defensive coordinators as well as the offensive line coach won state BEFORE arriving at PN-G
Nederland-not a single coach had ever won state 
PN-G is making the run that it is because of coaching the greater emphasis on defense and technique and the size of the offensive line all of those things Nederland has none of.
I also don't think it's a facility issue nor is it a community support issue
I'll close with this when Brandon Faircloth left PN-G the schoolboard made a decision we're going to go out and get the best coaches we can and it has paid off in spades...Nederland schoolboard doesn't care about being the best instead the priority is on what your last name is and if you're a good ol' boy or not...it's actually reached the point of complacency and contentment with 4 win seasons or less which after Larry Neumann had coached us I thought we would never get back to but here we are
 

Not to hijack the thread, but on the subject of RBs...we will miss #33.  Not the biggest and not the fastest, but he had patience, good vision, he was fearless, and his ball security was top notch.  He was fast enough when it counted and he had the heart of a champion.  For next year, #15 will be the bruiser, and some people at the LH semifinal game say there is a SOPH and a FR that will open some eyes this spring and next year.  Supposedly, the SOPH runs north/south and is not afraid to put his head down and the FR is the speedster.  I'm not a local, but was told our JV finished second to FBM and the FR team was either first or second?  Any truth to the chatter at the LH game?  Thanks...back to your thread about Chief Jeff Joseph leaving the Tribe.  I think he wants to stay a few more years at PN-G. JJ, McDaniel, McCrary, Feller, et al. have two or three more years of big runs at PN-G if they want it.  4/5 of the OL returns, 2/3 of the DL returns, the QB is back, and a few other playmakers on both sides will be back.  It's a good time to be a PN-G fan (says Captain Obvious).  Go Indians.  Peace.

Watching SOC on YouTube.  The RB #21 Green is quick and elusive.  Yikes.  Not the biggest guy, but he can take a pop and bounce off tacklers.  PN-G has seen some good RBs this season, but I don't think the Indians have seen anyone with his combination of quickness, vision, and the ability to slip away from tacklers.  The SOC QB #18 reminds me of PN-G's #9...cool under pressure and making the right reads and throws.  #18 can sling it.  SOC defense is fast at all three levels, but I think PN-G's OL will be able to create some running lanes.  The game will come down to PN-G stopping the run and PN-G winning some one-on-one battles in the passing game when SOC loads the box.  Stopping the run is easier said than done.  SOC has some DUDES on the OL and #21 zips right through their lanes.  They are playing well.  Glad PN-G has a shot to play the last 5A-DII game of the year and taking a shot at the defending champs.  We've got a shot...what more can you ask for?  Should be a good game.  Tip of the cap to SOC coaching staff...they lost 11 scholarship kids from last season and they are back at the top, in the state championship.  Impressive.
P.S.  One more thing.  No turnovers this year.  The Indians need to hold on to the ball.  No safeties this year.

Watching SOC on YouTube.  The RB #21 Green is quick and elusive.  Yikes.  Not the biggest guy, but he can take a pop and bounce off tacklers.  PN-G has seen some good RBs this season, but I don't think the Indians have seen anyone with his combination of quickness, vision, and the ability to slip away from tacklers.  The SOC QB #18 reminds me of PN-G's #9...cool under pressure and making the right reads and throws.  #18 can sling it.  SOC defense is fast at all three levels, but I think PN-G's OL will be able to create some running lanes.  The game will come down to PN-G stopping the run and PN-G winning some one-on-one battles in the passing game when SOC loads the box.  Stopping the run is easier said than done.  SOC has some DUDES on the OL and #21 zips right through their lanes.  They are playing well.  Glad PN-G has a shot to play the last 5A-DII game of the year and taking a shot at the defending champs.  We've got a shot...what more can you ask for?  Should be a good game.  Tip of the cap to SOC coaching staff...they lost 11 scholarship kids from last season and they are back at the top, in the state championship.  Impressive.
P.S.  One more thing.  No turnovers this year.  The Indians need to hold on to the ball.  No safeties this year.

If they clear out the lower bowl following each game, will our GA-tickets get us back in for the second and third games?  My group was planning to stay and watch all three games on Saturday.  Thanks.

Watching SOC on YouTube.  The RB #21 Green is quick and elusive.  Yikes.  Not the biggest guy, but he can take a pop and bounce off tacklers.  PN-G has seen some good RBs this season, but I don't think the Indians have seen anyone with his combination of quickness, vision, and the ability to slip away from tacklers.  The SOC QB #18 reminds me of PN-G's #9...cool under pressure and making the right reads and throws.  #18 can sling it.  SOC defense is fast at all three levels, but I think PN-G's OL will be able to create some running lanes.  The game will come down to PN-G stopping the run and PN-G winning some one-on-one battles in the passing game when SOC loads the box.  Stopping the run is easier said than done.  SOC has some DUDES on the OL and #21 zips right through their lanes.  They are playing well.  Glad PN-G has a shot to play the last 5A-DII game of the year and taking a shot at the defending champs.  We've got a shot...what more can you ask for?  Should be a good game.  Tip of the cap to SOC coaching staff...they lost 11 scholarship kids from last season and they are back at the top, in the state championship.  Impressive.
P.S.  One more thing.  No turnovers this year.  The Indians need to hold on to the ball.  No safeties this year.

In 2024, Region III may run through Huntsville.  At times, they played 9 JRs and SOPHs on defense.  They have size, quickness, and they were physical.  The Hornets practice tackling and it shows.  They don’t arm tackle.  Plus, Huntsville will return their QB and RB.  They will be tough next season.  All that said, PN-G handed out hits of their own last Friday.  It’s hard to run the ball when there are 9 defenders within 5 yards of the LOS.  When PN-G gets the lead, the coaches will squeeze the clock.  Second halves may not look pretty, but the formula works.  I’ll take 26 wins over the last two seasons and there’s a good shot we can rack up 28 wins in our last 32 games.  Sign me up for more ugly second halves.

In 2024, Region III may run through Huntsville.  At times, they played 9 JRs and SOPHs on defense.  They have size, quickness, and they were physical.  The Hornets practice tackling and it shows.  They don’t arm tackle.  Plus, Huntsville will return their QB and RB.  They will be tough next season.  All that said, PN-G handed out hits of their own last Friday.  It’s hard to run the ball when there are 9 defenders within 5 yards of the LOS.  When PN-G gets the lead, the coaches will squeeze the clock.  Second halves may not look pretty, but the formula works.  I’ll take 26 wins over the last two seasons and there’s a good shot we can rack up 28 wins in our last 32 games.  Sign me up for more ugly second halves.