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Of course WOS is faster than LT. I never claimed that speed was all it took to win football games.  I was merely replying to one small quote in the thread.  WOS may have trouble with FW's size and execution, but WOS can run circles around FW in the speed department. [url=[Hidden Content] 2010 state champs[/url] [quote]The West Orange-Stark boys smiled broadly, clearly enjoying the moment. The Mustangs stood atop a podium and posed for pictures, more pictures and even more pictures. It took more than five minutes to pry the group from the award stand Saturday afternoon. But they had good reason to savor the moment. For the second year in a row, the Mustangs won the Class 3A state track and field title. "It's extremely hard to win a state championship, especially back to back," said WO-S coach Toby Foreman, whose team won its first state track title in school history last season. "The weather conditions weren't the best. So for these guys to come out and still compete to the best of their ability and win is amazing. They all did a great job."[/quote]

I guess we will find out pretty quick here this year if the Ganders have anything at all or if it will be a long season. I would almost prefer to play Deer Park like in the past few years. lol Quandre Diggs might have the ability to make Lee look really bad all by himself. I will be out there though, and I will try to provide some updates.

I'm not a WOS fan.

[url=[Hidden Content] cougars looking strong[/url] [quote]“I think this team is more dedicated, and harder working,” Merka said. “It seems like we click a little better coming into this season. The program is getting better and better every year so the expectations are rising, so the players are stepping up more.  “There’s a lot expected of me, and I’ve got high hopes for me leading this team also,” he said. “I guess we’re just taking things one step at a time, getting everybody prepared every week and trying to get a W every week, win district and make a playoff run. That’s what it’s all about.”[/quote]

No, I'm not profiling. I've yet to see a Friendswood team yet that had any sort of speed on it. They do it with coaching and execution and size. If they had speed too, then we would have been talking about 3 or 4 state championships by now.

Again, you're creating an argument that doesn't exist. No one said that speed was going to make WOS beat FW. The point I made was a single, solitary point. WOS can run circles around FW in the speed dept.  I never claimed that one should infer anything from that fact.

[quote name="fwstangs" post="825450" timestamp="1281823049"] [quote author=panamamyers link=topic=71184.msg825381#msg825381 date=1281803330] WOS has light years better speed than Friendswood. You could take the 22 fastest players to ever play at Friendswood in their entire history and you might be able to compare to what WOS has every single year. [/quote] Kinda like that Beaumont Central speed? We know how that worked out. You wanna talk speed son, go watch Angleton - they make yall look very very average. [/quote] You're shifting the argument to a different topic now. You were earlier trying to say something about a big, fast team.  FW may be bigger, but WOS is much, much faster. Never said WOS was better, but FW has no where near the speed that WOS has.

[quote name="bh89-2" post="825969" timestamp="1281969295"] OK, since everyone is so confident and because we have to drag LEE into this, here is a little wager for fun: Panamamyers (LEE) GCMPats (GCM) Litltex (Dayton) Bronco1 (Dayton) BHFan (BH) Anyone else who is not scared or anyone wants to drag into this. Whomever is the last team standing, the names listed above will purchase and wear a shirt in support of that team during the next playoff game after their team is out. If any team listed above makes it to state, we all go together and wear that team's shirt. Of course we have to have a picture for here.   ;D [/quote] I'll let you know after I watch Lee play Angleton ;D

I figure GCM is going to have a stout defense.  You have to consider they had mostly sophomores and juniors last year.  What do they have, 9 starters back on defense? This from a defense that was rounding into form at the end of the season. I'm just not sure about the offense, particularly with Jacobs focusing on baseball.  He had to be the leading contender to take over the qb position. I'm not sure where LCM is all of the sudden the odds on favorite to beat GCM.

[quote name="cbear4" post="825780" timestamp="1281900230"] I will not predict any score as I have only seen LCM in one 7 on 7 tournament. They do have some good athletes but I do not see them matching up with virtually the whole defense that held Central to 7 points in last year's playoff game. We'll see how they do in week 0. Good luck to both schools. As far as Cy Springs rushing attack, they had some early success running the ball but 75 yards rushing in 42 minutes of total play does not indicate success running the football. They had plenty of talent but just looked like they were still looking at filling out positions lost from last year. [/quote] That is mis-representing what was said in the paper.  The 75 yards was in the first 20 minutes.

I was not there, so I really have no idea.  This excerpt from the Baytown Sun would lead me to believe that CY Springs had some good success running the ball and GCM had zero success running the ball. [quote]The day started with each team’s first-team offense getting the ball for 20 long minutes in the noonday heat, beginning each possession at their 30-yard line with three plays to make a first down to continue a drive. The Panthers’ running attack stung GCM early and finished with 16 carries for 75 yards. Although Cy Springs rang up seven first downs on seven possessions, it couldn’t dent the end zone. GCM’s first team never got a running game going as the Panthers overran the Patriot blockers. Guillory carried on nine of his team’s 13 rushing plays in the 20 minutes and netted zero yards. At least four times he was met by a tackler as he took the ball, the plays resulting in big losses.[/quote]

Gee.... you got a kid playing on the football team? The baseball team should be pretty good this year with Seeley back.

Are these all 1st team vs 1st team?  Are they working in a lot of subs?

WOS has light years better speed than Friendswood. You could take the 22 fastest players to ever play at Friendswood in their entire history and you might be able to compare to what WOS has every single year.

In what year did you first go to every game(bought season tix if your team has them) to watch your team? Have you gone to every game since?

[quote name="A Bear's Bear" post="825122" timestamp="1281707029"] Who is Groveton? [/quote] Alma Mater of Rodney Thomas, one of the greatest high school running backs the state of Texas ever produced. I watched him play against Schulenburg in the Astrodome back in the late 80's or early 90's.

As far as I know the times are still good. They were correct on Monday when I watched them.  I watched them from 5:30-6:15, then they came back out at about 7:05 and I watched til 8 and left. They practice on the field right across from Lee College on Lee Drive.  There is a fence surrounding the field, so it is a bit difficult to get a good look from the Lee College parking lot, but not impossible.

There's just not much of substance there. I could take Dave Campbell's magazine, the Internet and give me about 2 hours and I could write all 25 of those articles that the Houston Chronicle does for each of the different 4a and 5a districts.  It couldn't take more than 5 minutes for each article. Why would anyone want to pay for that?  Put some effort into it.

Hey jabu, you get out and watch the Ganders tonight?

How bout them Ganders.

[quote]3. How will a move to Class 4A affect Baytown Lee? The Ganders have struggled in recent seasons but were still able to snag a playoff berth in District 21-5A last year. Moving into 19-4A will put them with teams more comparable in size, which should help.[/quote] That's what you call in-depth, hard-hitting analysis right there folks.

[quote name="liltex" post="824497" timestamp="1281496773"] I may do that next time I visit kin in Baytown.Watchin HS football for over 40 yrs.and I watch not just the backfield but more important the trenches.If your winning there anybody can look good. [/quote] Nah man....don't look at the trenches.  You don't wanna look over there. ;D

Lee practices at 4pm and 7pm. Go take a look and report back  ;D

[quote name="GCMPats" post="824395" timestamp="1281473290"] They had a kid a while back named Rahib (if my fading memory is correct) that was pretty legit. [/quote] Rashad Mohammed?  Haji Tommy? Lee has had a long string of talented receivers. All the way back from Wallace Louis to Isaac Hart, Haji Tommy, Robert Ellis, Chad Irwin, Andre Johnson, Jeremy Woods, JC Hunter, Hammond Thomas, Jaymond Cleveland, Michael Redd, Anthony Carr, James Cleveland,  Rashad Mohammed, Kevin Craft, Jaevon Richardson. I'm sure there are some I am missing. As good of qb's as Lee has had over the last 15 years, the receivers have been nearly as good.

JC was a bad dude, no doubt. I always thought he was a step slow. I did a quick search and Rivals said he had offers from Auburn and Pitt and had him ranked as the 77th best WR in the nation, so I stand corrected. I still say Zellars has more raw athleticism when all is said and done.  He will end up in the overall top 50-75 in Texas when he is a senior in my opinion. jabu, did you go catch the practice yesterday? Any other insight you would like to share? I'm alway up for hearing more about the Ganders.