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Talk about a fun guy to watch a game with....you guys need to look up patitan

[quote name="jayhawk" post="815855" timestamp="1278120108"] [quote author=jabu84 link=topic=65952.msg815849#msg815849 date=1278118557] [quote author=Tyrone_Biggums link=topic=65952.msg815819#msg815819 date=1278110244] So how would the rest of the district fair against Ike and Angleton?  [/quote] dayton lose by at least 14 everybody else 21 plus [/quote] Lee will be lucky to make the playoffs and it will be fun to watch Dayton bring the wood to Lee !  All is not lost though Lee can always pull for Ike in the post season if they get bored watching basketball. [/quote] I could give two craps about Ike. This is the type of chatter I am talking about. Quit looking for a quick smack talk rebuttal. Quit looking for the slight against your team.   You are entirely too good of a program to have such completely insecure fans. Surely, there has to be one Dayton fan out there that is secure enough in his team to be drawn into an actual football discussion?

Thanks Tyrone... You just took the first step. [quote] [b]Ike may have more athletes[/b], but Dayton can play with anyone in the state if they are on their A game. [/quote] I'm proud of you.

[quote name="barberosa" post="815712" timestamp="1278042114"] 76-Bmt. Hebert 15 vs Humble 13 76- Humble 28 vs Huntsville 25 80 or so  Bay Lee 29-LaPorte 28 Aldine 14-Kingwood 7 the year Aldine won the national championship would for sure like to see Plano East and John Tyler- I left with six minutes to go with JT way ahead to beat the traffic and a long drive back to Bmt after watching games all day at tx stadium [/quote] 1979 in the Dome. I was only 4 years old at the time, so I don't have a great recollection of the LP-Lee game. But I did have a dad that lived and breathed Baytown Lee football. [img][Hidden Content]] [img][Hidden Content]] [img][Hidden Content]] [img][Hidden Content]]

The point of the matter is that not very many teams in the entire country can match up with Eisenhower's athletes. To argue that Ike does not have much better athletes than their opponents 99.9% of the time is to just be intentionally obtuse or a huge homer. Get past that part of the argument and go on to the who will actually win part. I've found this forum enjoys getting caught up in the wrong argument. The 4a being as good as 5a argument being one example and Dayton having comparable athletes to Eisenhower being another example. It really, really reeks of an inferiority complex. It's much easier to get a good discussion going when both sides can admit to their weaknesses and strengths. Heck...we may as well say that Port Arthur Memorial has just as good of a program and discipline in place as Katy. Katy better coached?  No way, PAM is better coached. Katy players are more disciplined?  No way, PAM players are more disciplined.... Let's not give in on any point. Don't admit being weaker in any phase of any sport.

[url=[Hidden Content] 2009 had 18 guys get college football scholarships[/url] [quote]Eisenhower High had the most seniors earn scholarships as 19 signed with various colleges and universities across the country.[/quote] One of the 19 was a swimmer, the rest were football players. [url=[Hidden Content] 2010 had 13 guys get college football scholarships[/url] [quote]Pictured are 12 of the 13 Eisenhower Senior High football players who signed national letters of intent during the school’s national signing day ceremony held on Wednesday, Feb. 3. Not pictured is Jay Guy, who graduated in December and is currently enrolled at the University of Nebraska.[/quote] [url=[Hidden Content] 2007 had 17 guys get college football scholarships[/url] [quote]Twenty Aldine ISD senior football players signed national letters of intent to continue their academic and athletic careers on Wednesday, Feb. 7 during signing ceremonies at all four AISD high schools. Eisenhower Senior High School led with way with 17 signees, while MacArthur Senior High had two players sign and Aldine Senior High and Nimitz High had one each sign, respectively.[/quote]

Who are the running backs Dayton has? I know of the Delasbour(sp) kid, but who else is supposed to be there?

Just because Lake Travis is a team full of white boys, don't mistake them for not having good athletes. They have a lot of guys that have been going on to play college ball. And, as I said, it is not completely about athletes. Dayton will be completely overmatched in an athletic sense, so if they win then I would be very impressed with the coaching that they are getting. I am already impressed with it, but I have never seen them as of yet been quite as overmatched physically as they will be in that game against Ike. Look, if Dayton beats them, them I will be pretty pessimistic about the chances of Lee being able to hang within 30 points of Dayton. I don't think Lee should be able to beat LT on paper. On paper LT probably has 30+ seniors while Lee has 11 on paper.

I think it's safe to say that Ike will have at LEAST 2-3 D1 athletes in any given year, so that puts 6-9 on the varsity team in any one year. I didn't say they would have 10 seniors go D1. I meant that 10 of their players on the varsity roster will eventually end up on a D1 roster. I may have overestimated them a little bit, but I bet if you look back over the last three Looking on Rivals, last year they had 5 seniors go D1 Guy, Hubert, Jackson, Veazie and Becks The year before they had 5 more: Loston, Timmons, Guiton, Reynolds and Willis. I would be willing to guess they have at least 10 guys on the squad as we speak that will challenge for a D1 scholarship.

Comparing CE King to Ike is a little like comparing Rice to Texas. Refresh my memory on this CE King D-1 running back? Ike has 10-15 D1 players on their team in any one year. It's a whole different animal. Dayton will not be as big, fast or athletic as Ike. That doesn't matter though as we have already established that big, quick and fast do not necessarily always prevail.

Hey... All I'm saying is that Ike is faster, bigger, stronger and more athletic....so if Dayton can beat them then just close up shop on 19-4A because it's a wrap.

Eisenhower will have 3 or 4 times as much speed as Dayton. If Dayton can somehow stay in that game, then I would like their chances to do quite well in 4a this year. Eisenhower is a dominating physical presence. Angleton is a little easier to contend with.  Eisenhower just has a lot of big, strong athletes. I might try to make that game since Lee is open that week.

[quote name="Beaumont_Legend" post="814940" timestamp="1277694313"] 1992 Playoffs...undefeated 10-0 West Brook v Aldine Eisenhower @ Pasadena Memorial Stadium. What a game. Can anybody remember the show that QB Clarence Cruz and that huge defensive line put on. The Brook tried to get back in the game, but just couldnt get over the hump. I was a little kid and remember crying all the way back to Beaumont. How could we be 10-0 two years in a row and lose to an Aldine school once again. It started momentum for the Eisenhower program as they went on string of a few state semifinal appearances..and a finals appearances... [/quote] I was at this game. Never in my wildest dreams did I think Eisenhower was going to win.  I just knew that WB was going to pull it off.  I didn't have near as much knowledge of Eisenhower as I should have in order to make my decision, but WB was state ranked and had destroyed Baytown Lee(a horrible Gander squad granted).

I think you underestimate how much of an advantage it is to be the better athletes on the court. UCONN has better athletes than any other women's team can muster, so of course their fundamentals look great. My fundamentals are impeccable until I get on the playground with a guy that is 6'1" and can run a 4.7 and jump 30 inches.  Then, the fact that I am 6'1",run a 5.2 and jump 20 inches makes my fundamentals go down the drain. Forget the state championship teams. Those guys would run the Lady Huskies right out of the gym.  The girls could have all of the fundamentals in the world and it all goes down the tubes when you face guys that are taller, twice as quick and can jump three times as high as you. The real question is can UCONN beat your average college aged pickup game that one might find on a college campus.  What about if I could pick up four guys from this forum and run a game with them?  That might be a more fair comparison.

The other thread about last second wins got me to thinking about the games I watched that I wish I could re-live and recapture that same excitement one more time. Not games that you did not get to see or were not old enough to see.  I mean games that you actually did see, and the excitement was such that you want to re-live the game. Two stand out as a Gander fan. The first was the 1994 game in the first round of the playoffs against Aldine Eisenhower. Eisenhower was fresh off of a couple of semi-final trips. Lee was fresh off of an 0-10 season in 1992 and 5-5 in 1993. Lee was lead by Jermaine Alfred at qb, Red Hammick, Haji Tommy, Wallace Louis and Clint Stoerner at receiver.  Arthur Mapp at running back.  This was the first time in probably 15 years that Lee had a snowball's chance in hell when it came to advancing in the playoffs.  Very fun and satisfying game to watch.  Lee won 29-22. The other game was not as satisfying, but still the most exciting to watch.  Lee vs Hastings in the 1997 playoffs.  Lee had made it to the second round, losing to Ball High in 94, lost to Humble in 95, didn't make the playoffs in 1996 despite a 7-3 record. 1997 was the year. Lee beat Aldine by a td in the first round, then worked over Brazoswood by a 56-24 score. The article from the Chronicle the next day will tell the rest of the playoff story. [quote]Hastings is too good a football team for an opponent to commit six turnovers and expect to win. Ask Baytown Lee. The Bears' defense came up with four interceptions, two fumble recoveries and a blocked punt en route to a 30-20 playoff victory Saturday before 14,278 at Tully Stadium. The Class 5A Division II win advances Hastings to the quarterfinals against Beaumont West Brook. "You can't turn it over six times and have a punt blocked and win," said Baytown Lee coach Dick Olin. You certainly can't against the Bears, the District 20-5A co- champions who had outscored opponents 80-0 in their previous two playoff games. Hastings (12-1) was determined to stop Baytown Lee quarterback Ell Roberson III, who had directed the Ganders (11-2) to nine consecutive victories and the District 22-5A championship. With defensive end Terrance Colquitt and linebacker Charles Alpert pressuring Roberson constantly, the Bears accomplished that goal. Roberson suffered four interceptions and completed only seven of 29 passes for 114 yards. "We just tried to contain him and keep him inside the pocket so he couldn't scramble, because he does most of his damage when he scrambles," said Colquitt, who had an interception and fumble recovery. "We tried to keep him in the pocket. We did it pretty much all day." Olin said Roberson's play was not up to his usual standards but that Hastings had a lot to do with it. "Normally, he throws the ball extremely well," Olin said. "We didn't do it. We were throwing in spots where we shouldn't throw. "We made too many errors, and, of course, Hastings had something to do with that." For the Ganders, Derrick Shepherd rushed 19 times for 78 yards and had six receptions for 66 yards. The Ganders' only lead was 7-0 on Roberson's first-quarter, six- yard run. The rest of the game belonged to Hastings, led offensively by running back Jamil Tharp, who rushed for a game-high 113 yards on 12 carries. The Bears got first-half touchdown runs of one yard from Kilmick Williams and four yards from Nick Jones. They scored in the fourth quarter on an 18-yard reverse from Ahmad Roper and a three- yard run from Marcellus Chapman. The third of Jesse Torrez's four extra-point attempts was blocked, but he converted the other three, and his 25-yard field goal with 11:57 remaining in the first half gave the Bears the lead for good at 10-7. Though the Ganders had a 323-271 advantage in total yards, this game belonged to the Bears' defense, which was on the field a great deal. Three of Hastings' scoring drives covered less than a minute, and the other took barely more than two minutes as no scoring drive took more than four plays. Richard Cox, Kobina Amoo and Emmanuel Ajiodo also intercepted Roberson. Albert recovered the other fumble and also recovered Ajiodo's fourth-quarter blocked punt. "We have a good defense," Hastings coach Bobby Stuart said. "We've got a bunch of kids that can make plays. Every week, someone makes a different one." Lee's 20 points tied the third most points allowed this season by Hastings, which had shut out four of its previous five opponents, including playoff wins over Spring Woods (39-0) and Westbury (41-0).[/quote] It may seem unusual that I would want to watch that game again, but it was the only time I have ever seen Lee make the third round of the playoffs.  The winner there would face West Brook the next week, and Lee had already worn out West Brook 35-12 earlier in the year, then Hastings had to play a weak New Braunfels team in the semis and worked them over. The stage was really set if Lee could have just managed not to turn the ball over 6 times against Hastings.

I remember freshman kicker Emmanuel Torres kicked a field goal as time expired against Clear Creek I believe to win, this was about 3 years ago. Some of the better last second wins were against North Shore in 2000 to squeeze into the playoffs and Kingwood the next year to squeeze into the playoffs again.

For Lee right now it comes down to not having enough kids in the program. I think they have 7-10 seniors this coming year. They may have had 65 kids total in the spring game I saw. I don't even know if that's enough to field a JV squad.  It's going to be tight. Lee does have some very talented juniors and sophomores right now. They have probably 2-4 D1 athletes and another 4-5 guys that could play at smaller colleges. Then, the drop off is pretty substantial after those top 8 guys.  They don't have a whole lot of those typical pretty good athletes that fill in the holes on a high school football team. They either have borderline college recruits or guys that should be on JV. You know the old saying of you're only as good as your weakest link.  Well that holds true for football too, particularly if you have 8 really good links and 14 weak links. I'm not trying to give an indictment to any of the Lee players.  They all try hard.

Notice I said more athletic. I never said better coached. Lee has a lot of individual talents that rarely ever gel into a cohesive team. Lee will be faster and quicker than BH this year. But North Forest is faster and quicker than BH every year too, so it isn't all about being faster and quicker.

There are varying degrees of being good.  Not everyone is going to win have won a state championship obviously. If it's state championship or bust in your mind, then you are in for a long, depressing ride. Having said that, Lee has had some entertaining, talented teams over the past 25 years.  I have been privileged to watch a lot of future college stars as well as a couple of future NFL players. Lee just has a more talented pool of students when it comes to football. Lee has a lot more athletic players than BH this year as well. 

Yes Lee has....me I would venture to guess Baytown Lee has more graduates that have college degrees than Barbers Hill. Tell me who Barbers Hill has graduated that played at a D1 school. I can't think of any at all... Lee has to have had 25-30 in the past 20 years.

Has Barbers Hill put any football players into d1 schools since the invention of the face mask? I was actually able to score a photo of the last Barbers Hill team to win a playoff game right after their victory. [img][Hidden Content]]

Baytown Carver won state multiple times.... BH has been squatless for 30 years. Been a lot of standing up over there the last 30 years... Haven't even had an S over there, much less the "quat"

[quote name="BHFAN" post="813358" timestamp="1276794266"] [quote author=liltex link=topic=70517.msg813274#msg813274 date=1276746554] District Off/Def coming back-BH 6/6-Crosby 4/7-Gal.Pk 7/8-C.E.King 5/5-N Forr.8/8-GCM 2/9-Lee 3/0(ouch)-Dayton 6/5 There's the rundown BH Fan.Can't wait till 1st scrimmage. [/quote] Thanks Tex  :) now with my new information I'll pick like this  ;D 1.) Crosby - 7 returning on D that held Dayton to ZERO. Plus one of the 4 returning on O is the best QB in district!!! 2.) Dayton - Good Team / Great Coach + good returns on O and D 3.) BH - Most BH has returned in a while + we have a COACH  ;D 4.) GCM - Should have good Defense , but with 2 returning on O can they score enough??? 5.) C.E. King - Good Return of players 6.) Lee - Not returning Squat, but can still be dangerous IMO 7.) GP - Returning a lot, but just can't compete 8.) N.Forest - If this team ever gets a Coach again they will be a force! [/quote] Not so sure about the "not returning squat" Lee returns the best player in the district which is always a good place to start. The Ganders may have a shortage of players, but they have some good athletes. Barbers Hill hasn't had squat since the mid 70's, so they are experts on observing squatless teams.

Jerrod Johnson I'm guessing.

To follow up, now that I am back home and on an actual computer. Nathaniel Scott and Jeffery Patton are both no longer on the team it seems.  They were two that would have definitely started. Kion Richardson seems like he could be related to Jaevon.  They both have about the same build. If Zellars does not start at qb, then he will probably be an inside receiver. I have a feeling coach will stick with Ruben.  This will leave Richardson, Zellars, Franklin and Landry to man the four receiver slots. more than likely.  Zellars is a big guy for a sophomore and can break some tackles.  He and Franklin, who is more of a shifty, waterbug type of runner, would be on the inside more than likely.  Richardson and Landry would man the outside receiver slots.  Richardson's numbers speak for themselves.  Landry has the size, if not blazing speed.  He just needs to hit the weights as I said in an earlier post.  He has a lot of potential. This would leave Josh Brooks, Israel Lodge, Jared Barnabba,  Kion Richardson and Myron O'neal to play the defensive backs. My guess would be Lodge and O'neal at corner with Barnabba and Richardson at safety. I honestly can't remember the last time that Lee had 8 players that they could line up at receiver and db's and I would feel that not a one of them is just a placeholder type that is there by process of elimination.  All of them can hold their own as athletes. The line needs 9 guys obviously for offense and defense.  They have Boyd, Avery Garcia, Isaac Arispe and this kid that wore #50 at the scrimmage.... That's really about all you have that are known commodities.  Past that they are going to have to dip down into some talented sophomores to be or hope for some good transfers ;D If you have a chance, you really should take in a Lee game just to watch Jaevon Richardson if nothing else. He is going to be worth the price of admission as long as they can get him the ball.