hitman009

2 minutes ago, hitman009 said:

All sports lose money... period.. Yes football brings more revenue but still loses money with all its costs...  Football does not "fund" other sports..  It is funded by budget.. which is paid by state and local taxes.  I have seen many games this year where less than 200 parents show up to the games. Do you think these schools got rid all other sports cause their football team did not gain enough revenue at football games??... come on.. 

I would agree football is bigger in Texas.. no doubt... All I'm saying is other sports should not suffer cause of football Offseason... I know coaches think that 10 extra practices in April/May will determine if they are successful in November.. I just don't think its worth destroying another sport to do it.. I believe in all sports importance.. All kids goals and dreams... especially with all the summer to practice...

23 hours ago, Right99JOH said:

Name one Texas high school sport that is bigger than football?!?!  I'll wait....  If it wasn't for football programs, how many other sports would survive?!?!?!?

All sports lose money... period.. Yes football brings more revenue but still loses money with all its costs...  Football does not "fund" other sports..  It is funded by budget.. which is paid by state and local taxes.  I have seen many games this year where less than 200 parents show up to the games. Do you think these schools got rid all other sports cause their football team did not gain enough revenue at football games??... come on.. 

I would agree football is bigger in Texas.. no doubt... All I'm saying is other sports should not suffer cause of football Offseason... I know coaches think that 10 extra practices in April/May will determine if they are successful in November.. I just don't think its worth destroying another sport to do it.. especially with all the summer to practice...

22 hours ago, Right99JOH said:

All the time huh... I can get on the phone with 7 kids that all went on to play college baseball.  DI, DII, and Juco.  Out of the 7 kids, 6 pitched and NEVER once did a coach limit their pitch count.  All within the past 2 years.

"School do not want them playing" have you ever watched the UA All American football game or the US Army football game?!?!  EVERY top high school football player in the country is there...PLAYING 🤦‍♂️

With NIL and the transfer portal, more kids are willing to go play at smaller schools.  Why...???  Playing time and they know the following year they can transfer to a bigger, better school.

Ex... local football standout...3 star skilled position player (RB, WR, CB,) on the cusp of being a 4 star.  Has offers from 3 D1 power 5 schools and 9 offers from non-power 5 schools.  The 3 power 5 all say the same thing... come in, develop, redshirt, and in a year or two you might be starting.  The 9 non-power 5 say this.... You'll be competing day 1 for a starting position.  A vast majority of kids are going to say yes to being able to compete for a starting position and playing time day 1 because they know after 1 good year they'll be able to hit the portal and move to one of the D1 power 5 schools.  Jared Verse is a good example.... Played at Albany.  Had a good season.  Transferred to Florida St. Top 20 NFL draft pick.

Really.. I have talked to many high school coaches, players and college coaches about this subject. (by the way, if you have not guessed it... I'M A HIGH SCHOOL COACH - Football and Baseball). I have had several Big D1 players that went to Baylor, Texas, Texas  A&M, UH, and LSU tell me their pitch counts... What they were allowed to throw. How long they had to sit till next outing. All of these were in writing by their college pitching coach.  Even seen a kid this year NOT Allowed to pitch in the First round of playoffs cause his pitching coach from LSU told him not to cause of how many he had thrown the week before. They keep tabs on kids all the time.  Kids stay in contact with their college coaches all year.  

I have Coached in Local and State ALL-Star football and baseball games. I have been on selection committees. I can tell you for a fact, a invite is sent out to all state players. Most Big College players do not accept the invite. 

4 hours ago, Right99JOH said:

Football is still the breadwinner.  Football brings in more money than all the other sports combined.  Football 1st... all other sports 2nd.

ALL SPORTS LOSE MONEY!!!

From your point of view other kids dreams don't matter... OK... Your opinion. 

On 5/6/2024 at 12:53 PM, Right99JOH said:

Hmm thats news to me and I have one currently playing college baseball.  

Yet, there are hundreds of high school football players that play in the UA football game and the U.S. Army bowl

Happens all the time.. College coaches limiting their pitch counts in high school. My suggestion is to talk to some high school coaches and see what they are told by their players.. 

As for football Sr. all star football games all you have to do is look at local and state all star games.... you really think the best players in the state of TEXAS are going to small colleges like SFA, McNeese, Lamar and etc... You will rarely see any SEC, Pac 10, Big 12 kids there.. why their school does not want them playing.

College Coaches in most sports protect their athletes (signed recruits) even in high school.

College Coaches have gotten so protective about their baseball recruits that that signed in Nov. that they put them on mandatory pitch counts. If their high school coach breaks their pitch count they are telling the kids to quit the high school baseball team. 

Also happens in Football. Once they sign a letter of commitment, especially at D1 schools, they tell those kids to NOT PLAY in any all-star games in summer.

7 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

I think this whole discussion is getting overly hyped. My son played 3 sports and went on to play college football (still in school). I played 4 sports and went on to play college football. Neither of us (separated by 30+ years) got anything but support from our respective AD's and coaches.

I don't think it is overly hyped.. I am seeing less and less multi-sport kids when it can all be prevented.. A coach teaches l loyalty, work ethic, comradery, integrity, perseverance, etc.. to get kids to buy into their program. They talk about brotherhood and doing what is best for their community.... But some mean all of this  just for football... Kids see into this double standard and will quit.. either while on the field or off... 

drives me crazy!! 

and again... I work with these kids.. they tell me what they think.. so you can agree or disagree.. its their point of view!!

8 minutes ago, Right99JOH said:

"AD's don't allow them to play"  that's false.  I've watched many of fall ball games and I can name 3 or 4 SETX teams that had football players on the team. 

Well I have coached around SETX for the last 20 years.. I have not seen many playing in "their school fall ball team".. seen some playing select.. not high school fall ball... IN FACT some schools are not playing in the school fall ball league cause they can not find enough players.. cause most of them play football..

Just now, SmashMouth said:

Can't blame the AD. Texas is a Football mecca. If an AD does poorly in football, but decent in baseball, he may be looking for another job soon. If he does great in football, then no one really cares what happens with baseball, generally speaking. He's trying to keep a job and bolster his resume' for the next chance to promote his career.

I would not say NO ONE REALLY CARES WHAT HAPPENS WITH BASEBALL.. All you have to do is go to Ford Park every weekend and look at how much money parents pour into baseball.. lol

I get what you are saying.. but look at it from this point of view... WINS look good on resume correct? Would a AD do better if he has all his multi-sport kids stay in his program? Again they are usually the more athletic kid. Is his actions driving away the more athletic kids to "concentrate on one sport"? Sometimes more is not better.. Kids get burned out really quick if they believe their AD/Coach does not care about their personal athletic dreams and desires. 

Like I said.. a Good AD knows how to navigate this issue. 

5 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Sorry, I didn't know that. I guess they can do both, and if there is a schedule problem, the kid will have to decide.

there won't be a scheduling problem... cause AD's don't allow them to play.. its a nice double standard they like to use.

3 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Is there fall baseball in high school?

Yep!! They have school teams. You usually don't hear much about it cause baseball coaches will not let their players who play football join. 

Bottom line.....

No kid should be Mandated to play any off season sport if they are playing another sport... Its not fair to  ALL the kids that are playing their in season sport. (Again we are not talking about lifting and agility)

With the new UIL rules with sport specific summer workouts.. Each sport gets 1 hour a day of sport specific all summer long.. That is 2 strait month of practice.. If a AD/Head football coach can not get his team ready... that's on him 

1 hour ago, hookem14 said:

Preston Riggs did not play baseball. He was All-State in football, soccer, and track. 

Correct.. Riggs never played baseball.. In fact, if memory serves my right, didn't that PNG State winning team have their top 2 pitchers quit football their SR. year?? 

1 hour ago, SmashMouth said:

It's an unfortunate injury, but in my opinion, the athlete should participate in any and all activities required of the respective teams they play on, as long as physically able. 

Sweet.. then you believe baseball players who play football should be mandated to play fall baseball in football season?..

On 4/26/2024 at 8:37 PM, 89Falcon said:

Because football is what matters most.

And there it is...The exact reason of the decline of multi-sport kids.

This statement is the reason why kids are "concentrating" on one sport.. When a multi-sport kid believes his AD thinks this way he believes his AD does not care about his dreams, his wants, his desires, his hard work he put into that other sport... and to make matters worse.. the kids who don't play football are telling the multi-sport kid.. "He does not care about us.. all he cares about is football." The multi-sport kid believe its not fair to them and the other kids on that team.

Good AD's win by keeping the multi-sport kid in their program... They are usually the best athletes

Good AD's understand the player, understand his dream, show up to their games in support, don't demean the other sport and don't blame their failures on the other sport.  

On 4/26/2024 at 2:04 PM, Unbelievableee said:

Whew man! I guess kids should not run during athletics because they might pull a muscle or roll an ankle and be out of their in season sport. What a joke

I was not talking about lifting and speed/agility drills... Every good coach in ANY sport should be doing this in season... We are talking about mandated SPORT participation in OFF SEASON... 

I could talk forever about this..  I have quite a bit of first hand knowledge about the way kids feel about this subject.  I don't agree with the kids when they want to quit one sport to "focusing on one sport" but understand reasoning why they quit especially in JR. and SR. year... 

Keep these two things in mind. It you agree with these two statements then you can understand:

• Multi-sport kids should be pushed to play what they want to play...
• Kids should be never be mandated to play any sport..

All repercussions fall back on the AD... It's the AD's program.  If they mandated it, the AD has to take responsibility.. even in accidents...

• Good AD's know how to navigate multi-sport kids. They inspire the want to play.
• Bad AD's do not and cause tension inside their entire athletic programs.. this is when you see kids that contribute in one sport quit usually after 10th grade year.. 
• Really bad AD's have caused so much damage that the kid quits being a multi-sport athlete (quits football) after his 8th grade year. He never even gets to coach them in high school.

Again I could get very specific but not gonna. 

10 minutes ago, AshlyHasBeen said:

PNG lost 50-15, not 64-3 in 2022. I'm not sure you can compare where a team is in for a Week 1 non-district game to when the dust settles in the playoffs. Some teams improve dramatically, while other take steps back. When it comes down to it, non-district results don't factor much into what a season is turns into. By that logic you could say PNG could stay in a game with 6A-DI champ Duncanville because Duncanville only beat SOC 23-10 in Week 1. I think we all agree Duncanville is on another level. 

sorry on score.. Maxpreps has it 64-3.. Either way PA wins big..

Agreed Duncanville is on different level and beat SOC by 2 scores. SOC also lost that year to Lancaster (5A-1) by 2 scores who lost in 2nd round.  I know these games are early, but its also early for the teams that won those games. What else can you use as comparison when asking my question?

I think my question is interesting but very few want to address it I guess 

5 hours ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Poster I guess forgot about 2022 Port Arthur Memorial as well. (3rd round lost was to Longview who won Region 2). And last year that 1st round game was against Forney who won Region 2 as well. 

Yall are proving my point.... What was that score of the 22-23 PNG (5A-DII) vs PAM (5A-DI)??    PNG lost 64-3!!!.. but goes on to the 5A-DII state championship while PA Memorial out 3rd round. What was that 23-24 PNG vs PAM? 24-7 and PAM did lose to Forney that did well in playoffs BUT played Forney 1st round because they finished 3rd in a weak district that only one team made it out of the first round... BH lost in 2nd.. And PNG WINS STATE!!!... 

I take nothing away from PNG. You play who you play and they did well.. but to me if you use logic based on comparison of strength of schedule... PNG would have been out of playoffs 1-2 round had they not changed redistricting to separate D1 and D2.. They usually were 2-3 rounds before the change... so back to my question...

is it the "Elite coach" that makes the difference or redistricting??

7 hours ago, Rez Ipsa said:

FBM made it to the 4th round in 22-23. If that’s “weak,” I don’t know what “strong” is. 

First reread my post.. never said FBM was weak.. Said they lost to a very weak CROSBY team.   

You are proving my point.... 22-23 FBM made it to 4th round in 5A D-II.. 22-23 FBM lost to Crosby (a 5A D-I team that finished 4th in their district with a 6-5 record and out first round).. so Yea I would say FBM was a very Strong 5A D-II team.. average to WEAK had they been in 5A D-1..

Redistricting to separate 5A DI and DII divisions was huge difference.

On 4/13/2024 at 5:51 PM, purpleeagle said:

Surely you do not mean that Nederland will do no better than Monti did last year with all the starters they have coming back. I thought they hired an elite coach and were headed to state. There will only be 64 teams in their bracket. Should have no problem with PN-G this coming year with that big fat line PN-G has. Probably give up about 40 lbs per man. Should be no problem for an elite coach.

I have a question... I keep seeing the word "elite coach" and it looks like certain teams have it figured out.  Is it really the coach that made the difference or the change by UIL districting with the change from separation from 5A-DI and DII?? 

Looking at PNG's losses the last two years... besides Oak Cliff.. the teams they lost to were beat by WEAK 5-D1 teams and out the first round.. (22-23 Marshall beat by a very weak Crosby team that finished 4th and out first round) (23-24 PA Memorial finished 3rd and out first round).    

17 hours ago, myrecordwashorrible said:

75,600 minutes would work out to to approximately 15000 minutes for each day of the week over a 36 week schedule (six 6 week sessions).  That would mean 15000 over 36 weeks would have to be absorbed into the other 4 days over that time period.  That works out to over 1.5 hours a day added.  There must be something I missing.   

Does anyone know the average time added each day at places such as Devers that do this year round?  If I'm not mistaken some schools are doing this some weeks and not others.

While putting this essentially useless diatribe together I found an article about a one school day being 28 minutes longer.  They extended the school year by 3 weeks as well to capture those extra minutes. That goes back to 89Falcon pointing out the loss of some breaks during the school year as a way to get the time covered. 

Crosby is adding 20 min each day, starting a week early (7th), taking away small breaks(except labor day, MLK, and good friday), still getting basic week breaks(Thanksgiving, 2 weeks Christmas, Spring Break), going to 5 day weeks during month of April, and ending on May 30.

3 hours ago, myrecordwashorrible said:

I know everything your saying hitman, I lead a committee and lobbied for same opponent in a week, but everyone caved to one coach in the district and my own AD helped torpedo the idea as well. 

I know exactly what you are saying. I probably know the reason why your AD did not like that idea.. .Some AD's only have their sport agenda to focus on and not the individual sport's best interest.    common opponents in district is hard to pass. There are more lower teams that want a chance to compete with their one dude. Then they get their a$$ whipped in the playoffs in a 3 game series..

The things I'm proposing is take that power away from District committees.  UIL Should mandate common opponents in district.. like they just did with mandating 3 game series in postseason.

Things will never change until enough voiced opinions are heard in UIL.

That is what just happened with this mandatory 3 game series. Enough voices were finally heard. Now let's keep pushing to make it better.

On 1/23/2023 at 2:12 PM, myrecordwashorrible said:

On the three games against on one opponent idea....once coached in a 6 team district that did that very thing.  But, not in your proposed set up.  Played each team once then moved to same opponent on Tuesday and Friday. Was kind of an interesting way to go about it. 

Started district play on a Tuesday which allowed us all out final tournament that same week. Then 2 weeks of single games before the same opponent in a week. 

Districts committee determine whether you play a alternating schedule or common opponents. I struggle with the concept that most districts alternate opponents. It allows for strength of district SCHEDULE to play a factor.  Teams can rotate a #1 pitcher to play the most competitive teams twice. The better TEAM will be determined if they did common opponents.

In playoffs you can have a 3 game with common opponents. I would hope that districts would understand this, go to a 3 game series with common opponents. Now to do this UIL has to allow more games.  But to say that teams cant perform in a 3 game a week, when they do that during tournament play (4-6 games a week) blows my mind. 

On 1/23/2023 at 12:31 PM, pine curtain said:

he was talking about regular season games. 

playoff: (3) Two-out-of-Three Series. If schools play a two-out-of-three elimination series, the first and second games may be played prior to Friday. Game three shall not be played until Friday. If one game is played and a second game cannot be played because of weather, then the winner of the one game advances to the next round. If two games are played (and split) and the third game cannot be played on Saturday because of weather conditions, the third and deciding game should be played on Monday of the next week.

that is exactly what I stated. 

that is not a rule with post season UIL rules.  Post season reverts back to tournament rules. You can play playoff games on Tuesday/ Thursday.. 

Now to go to 3 game series in district is OK right now.. Just hast to be game 1 (Mon-Thursday) Game 2 & 3 played on Friday or Sat.. Some districts are already doing this.