Coach_Izzy

1 minute ago, Rez Ipsa said:

I’m saying the best coaches bring in and generate more talent, and get more talent out of their players. I’m not saying they just happen to have more talent. They create talent. 
 

And, seriously, what is your implication here? You brag about being a super good coach because a freshman cited your name on a radio broadcast and because you were the official “ball slapper together guy” in North Shore’s warmups. Are you simultaneously bragging about being a coach while saying coaching isn’t even all that important?

How can you create talent as a coach? I’m really interested to know…

& please show me where I said any of this? Either you can’t read or you just making up things as you go

30 minutes ago, Rez Ipsa said:

That’s not the only adjustment. It’s a little shocking that you’re a coach and you only noticed one adjustment. Seriously. They also moved a guy over in the interior to take away the run, thus forcing us to throw. And, PNG could have responded to their passing game sooner by putting Shea Adams in the secondary to take away their height advantage (we eventually did, but it was too late by then). And, png could have modified its offensive play calling to drag out drives longer, move the chains and keep themselves out of trouble. By no means did SOC’s talent (which was far superior to PNGs) put that game out of reach. PNG was outcoached and outplayed in the second half. 
 

I’m not disagreeing that talent matters. I’m disagreeing with drawing a hard line. Coaches develop talent, bring in talent, use talent, and train talent. It’s no mystery that the best coaches seem to also have a lot of talent. A good coach gets more talent out of average players, and helps players discover abilities they didn’t even know they have. I’d rather face a super talented team with a terrible coach than a more “normal” team with a top tier coach. Napoleon is credited with saying something along the lines of “I’d fear a thousand sheep lead by a lion more than a thousand lions led by a sheep.” 
 

 

Re-read this & tell me what’s the common denominator. Lol

10 minutes ago, CCRed said:

And the opposite is the same. They have the talent, not the right coach, and go no where. 
PNG has the right coach, minimal talent, and where are they ?

You being a coach are speaking from a very biased opinion. 

Not true…if PAM didn’t have athletes it wouldn’t matter who the coach was. Same with PNG, they have talent.

Also I’m not biased at all I’ve just been around many great coaches & the recipe to any successful coach is the same TALENT. 

26 minutes ago, 2wedge said:

So your argument is that Jason Todd's coaching is not up to Jeff Joseph's level? That's nonsense. Todd can run with the best of them in the state and then some. Of course you have to have talent, but coaching is what makes talent successful. Lots of talented teams are going home early every year because of subpar coaching. Not too many great coaches are making early exits because they lack supreme talent. Of course, there are also those coaches who coach 5 division 1 defensive backs and even that level of talent isn't enough to ensure they can stay on the sidelines......

1. I never said this I'm simply speaking on what’s the MOST IMPORTANT ingredient to success. Does coaching matter absolutely but not more than talent.

2. This isn’t true the most talented teams in the state (at least at the 6A level) are all playing for state titles.

3. I actually left coaching on my own will, I could easily be coaching in my 4th state title game this weekend if I wanted to be. Nice try though bud.

1 hour ago, Rez Ipsa said:

Did you watch the game last year? SOC outcoached PNG in the second half. That game was more than winnable by the players. SOC adjusted earlier than we did, and that made the difference. 

I watched the game & it came down to Jimmy’s & Joes…only adjustment SOC made was to start getting the ball to their “talented” WR’s on the outside which PNG had no answer for. SOC is where it is today cause Jason Todd took the job & immediately recruited “talent” there. It ain’t rocket science, look at DV before Samples showed up they were terrible. Once he got there he brought in “talent” now they’ve been to 5/6 state title games. I guess you think DV just start having some magical coaching when Samples showed up huh? 

2 hours ago, CCRed said:

Let’s look at PAM. In my opinion they should be the NorthShore of 5A. They have talent all over the field. That talent can’t seem to equate to a deep playoff run. If PAM had the right coach, they would dominate.  This is an example of where Coaching matters more than talent. You can have all the talent in the world, but with no guidance, you aren’t going to make those deep runs. 

If PA didn’t have the talent that they have you wouldn’t even be mentioning them with the likes of NS. If had the right coach with no talent PA would still get their butts kicked only diff is it’d be a lot worse.

51 minutes ago, Kountzer said:

NS doesn’t schedule 4A schools in the Houston area because they soaked up all their talent like a giant sponge.  Schools like Furr, Kashmere Sam Houston etc., don’t have competitive teams because NS recruited away all their talent.

Watch this…name a kid that’s on NS current roster that was recruited? I’ll wait

I think y’all are changing the narrative…of course coaching matters but we’re talking about the MAIN ingredient it takes to win. Why do yall think college football programs spend the most money on recruiting?

Let’s look at all the teams who made the state title game in 6A…what do they all have in common? Plenty of Division 1 talent…again 90% of having a successful football program is TALENT! Jimmy & Joes> X&O’s

Barber’s Hill hired the coach from Allen who won multiple state champions & what happened? Did he forget how to coach when he got there? Katy lost in the second round for the first time in forever…did Gary Joseph forget how to coach? I can go on & on, again only people who’ve never coached will tell you coaching matters over talent lol 

At NS we ran a 4-3 Cover 0 scheme…which allowed us to put 7 in the box and sit our DB’s on an island with no help over the top! Being a secondary coach it helped that I had 5 Division 1 players in the secondary including guys like 5 star Denver Harris & 5 Star Devin Sanchez at corner. 
 

Do yall think NS would be able to run defense like that without talent? Now imagine if we had a bunch of slow a** average joes out there at DB.

Just now, Mr. Thornton Melon said:

Coaching > Jimmy-N-Joes

Only folks who never coached will say this lol

2 minutes ago, pine curtain said:

lots of coaches who can't develop the talent they have say this.....

Well we’ll see if coaching matters over talent this weekend.

58 minutes ago, Coach 01 said:

I don’t understand the point. Nobody here makes the BU schedule. Beating an irrelevant horse to make what point? BU has been to 3 state championships in a row. I think the man knows what he is doing. BU plays a soft pre-district schedule this year….. and? 3 state title games in a row, I’m sure Coach Green doesn’t care at all what the message board and middle school coaches think about his scheduling.

The point was clear…BU non district schedule sucks for a team who’s been to 3 state title games. Save the rest of the dramatics.

4 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

BTW, 6A DeSoto is playing 4A Eastern Hills tonight in a scheduled game.

@Coach_Izzy

Lol c’mon Aggie we both know scheduling them & FF is like playing a 6A school. They both full of recruited talent.

5 hours ago, Cougtalk said:

Just a thought here and I understand there might be some controversy around this. 

I think Crosby's implosion and PNG's ascension should teach us a couple very important lessons. 

1) We overvalue the effect of athletes (bo's and joes) on the success of a program and undervalue the effect of coaching. 

2) Great coaches will get the enrollment involved and working. At the end of the day the single most important thing for late playoff success is depth and coaching. Yes losing a great QB/RB/WR/LB can end a season early but if you don't have depth at all the "not superstar" positions and if the backups aren't just as willing, able and wanting to play as the starters you cannot have success at the highest levels. 

I think this is true because of a couple of reasons, Winner win. If you are successful and win others want to be a part of that, from that 6'8 300 lbs kid that's never touched a football to that 5'6 kid who will run through a wall to get his chance. They all are important and they all need to feel like part of the team. If you win then no one cares about being the backup. If you win people will be happy to just be on the team. If you win you can have 65 athletes on Varsity every single year. 

Even a team without elite athletics' talent can execute plays at a high level if they are well coached. Practice times, culture of work, and accountability set the standards for developing 14 year old's into athletic 17 years old's. That being said great coaches can overcome program deficiencies that previously existed. 

 

Crosby and PNG prove this. PNG has no more talent now than it has for the last decade. Crosby has no less talent than it has for the last decade. It's about how that talent is coached, brought through the system, and executes daily. 

 

My ramblings. 

 

Hate to bust your bubble but this not true at all Bud! You need talent to win at any & all levels, talent is 90% of the ingredient you need to have sustainable success in football. Crosby had a two year run & now look….

17 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Kimball is 5A and the defending 5A state champ.

I stand corrected…but my point of bringing this up was to show BU has no problem traveling, contrary to what many on here believe. Also just spoke with a good friend on mine Kimball’s staff (Ryan Carrington) they are way down this year, team of mostly freshman & sophomores, so this wasn’t a competitive game. But not mad at them scheduling the defending 5A state champs.

18 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Yes.

Since BU’s inception:

76-73 Silsbee 

106-57 BU 49

109-63 BU 46

62-52 BU 10

84-54 BU 30

93-63 BU 30

78-68 BU 10

BU has beaten Silsbee by an average of 29 points since the school open…again please tell me how scheduling a game like this helps BU? Maybe I’m missing something 

16 hours ago, Kountzer said:

Some haven't forgotten the obvious: BU head coach Green is from Silsbee.  He knows that level of basketball because he played at that level. Silsbee coach Sigler was his coach, and his mentor.  They are probably good friends.  Who wants to be riding in a bus for long stretches of time and miles to play a so called more worthy opponent on a cold Tuesday evening, when you can get a good run from a team 20 miles away.  Arm chair keyboard warrior 'coaches' are good at cashing checks in their minds.

I’ll say it again…NO OTHER PREMIER 6A PROGRAMS ARE SCHEDULING 4A SCHOOLS! 

You can make whatever excuses you want…playing Silsbee or any of the other teams they’ve scheduled thus far in non district isn’t helping you get better or preparing you for the road that’s ahead IMO.
 

I’m not sure why yall pretending as if BU has to travel long distances to play quality competition, when Houston is right up the road & it’s plenty of quality competition there as you saw when they played Cy Springs. Secondly you can schedule home games to prevent having to drive, however having to travel is inevitable based on the location of where Beaumont is compared to the other 5A/6A competition. Furthermore BU traveled way to Arlington just to play a 5A Kimball team (nobody on here mentioned travel being an issue then btw) when I’m SURE there were more quality 5A/6A opponents in DFW they could’ve played. The fact y'all really on here defending the 6A state runner up playing a 4A school is baffling to me.

When I coached at NS we aimed to schedule the best of the best. We wouldn’t schedule an opponent that wasn’t on the same level as us or a team outside of 6A cause it didn’t do anything for us, iron sharpens iron…simple.

6 hours ago, Who That said:

So are you trying to say Silsbee had no chance of winning this game last night..? 😂

Ummmm no…has Silsbee ever beat BU since its inception?

6 hours ago, Unbelievableee said:

No yall gotta be stopped. You act like silsbee just goes out and recruits kids. Family ties are a thing. His dad is from Silsbee. He knew to get OUT OF BMT and go back to his roots. Silsbee. 

You have no clue what you’re talking about man.  

7 minutes ago, Tiger05 said:

You say that it has nothing to do with SILSBEE but wasn’t your statement made in the BU vs. Silsbee thread?

Start up another thread that’s titled BU to good to play any top SETX teams and see if you get the attention you need for the schedule to change next year. 

Tiger pull your skirt down…nothing I said was a slight to Silsbee. Again Silsbee folks want to make my statements about them. & I obviously got your attention, you could’ve easily ignore me lol

17 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

They are playing in the Allen tourney. 32 team field loaded with state ranked 6A and 5A teams.

As they should be

11 minutes ago, Tiger05 said:

 

I guess BU playing Yates & BTW would be a trash schedule also. I really hope BU doesn’t lose to a 4A team moving forward or this thread will definitely be getting some attention. 

This is exactly why you don't schedule a 4a school...it's a lose/lose situation.

1 minute ago, SportsJunkie32 said:

I feel it isn’t about Silsbee, but more about schools that don’t play outside of there comfort zones 

Has nothing to do with Silsbee

10 minutes ago, SportsJunkie32 said:

Why is it that the Dallas area schools that are highly ranked in Texas, regardless of classification in any giving year are playing Highly Ranked Teams. Duncanville & Faith Family both played and loss to Montverde Academy this year and have played them in previous years. Duncanville is down this year with there recruitment and Faith Family is who they are.
                                                                                                    
I have not seen too many Houston area schools playing outside of their comfort zone. I don’t see any harm with playing those Prep or Academy Schools, playing those schools will or should prepare them for the next level.
 

Faith Family plays a very competitive schedule outside of Texas, to be the best you have to beat / play the best. Faith Family schedule prepares them for San Antonio, everyone else is playing for 2nd place 

You don't even have to play the national teams IMO, but scheduling teams like Kimball, Nederland, Silsbee, GCM & playing in tourney's like the YMBL etc come on bruh smh

3 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

6A #5 North Crowley played Dallas Carter in a "scheduled" game.

I said the TOP 6A programs like DV, Lake Highlands, Desoto, BU Atascocita, etc I wouldn't but NC in the same category as those schools but if you consider them a top 6A program then I stand corrected. However no matter how you try and spin it BU playing Silsbee makes zero sense neither does scheduling games you have no chance of losing...that's literally the definition of scheduling soft. The best is supposed to play the best especially in non district play, the games don't matter. 

38 minutes ago, Coach 01 said:

I’m not going to question the man that’s led BU to the mountain top. Whatever his method is, keep on keeping on!

I love Green he's a future HOF, I spent a lot of time around him while we were coaching at NS got tons of respect for him...however that doesn't change the fact that BU scheduled a soft non-district schedule.