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It depends on how the old format would’ve played out. Before the split they took the top 4 teams from the district to the playoffs then the top 2 enrollment wise went to D1 and the other 2 went DII (if I remember correctly). So it wasn’t always fair to some of the schools that were playing up in D1 with a very low enrollment. It was just more mixed up. I liked it a lot better. To tell you the truth I wish 4a was not split at all. Let’em play. Schools like WOS, Gilmer, Carthage, and Argyle can play with anybody even with low enrollments. I think this is the only class in the state where enrollment doesn’t play a major roll to who wins. Carthage and WOS are the most successful programs over the last 3 years, and they are both very low on enrollment. I think Carthage will be the smallest school in D1 this coming year. Play in a district with Henderson and Kilgore where those towns have populations ~13,000 and enrollments of 950 and 1120. Little ol’ Carthage with a population of under 7k gives them all the want. WOS is the same way.

With the 4a split, I don’t know if there is a team out there that will keep the Mustangs from Jerry World for the foreseeable future. Silsbee? Jasper? Wimberly? Cuero? I just don’t see it. There is some teams in R1 and 2 that can beat them, but I don’t see anybody on the other side. This thing is going to last a longtime. The split divisions probably helped WOS more than any other team out there. 

It depends on how the old format would’ve played out. Before the split they took the top 4 teams from the district to the playoffs then the top 2 enrollment wise went to D1 and the other 2 went DII (if I remember correctly). So it wasn’t always fair to some of the schools that were playing up in D1 with a very low enrollment. It was just more mixed up. I liked it a lot better. To tell you the truth I wish 4a was not split at all. Let’em play. Schools like WOS, Gilmer, Carthage, and Argyle can play with anybody even with low enrollments. I think this is the only class in the state where enrollment doesn’t play a major roll to who wins. Carthage and WOS are the most successful programs over the last 3 years, and they are both very low on enrollment. I think Carthage will be the smallest school in D1 this coming year. Play in a district with Henderson and Kilgore where those towns have populations ~13,000 and enrollments of 950 and 1120. Little ol’ Carthage with a population of under 7k gives them all the want. WOS is the same way.

With the 4a split, I don’t know if there is a team out there that will keep the Mustangs from Jerry World for the foreseeable future. Silsbee? Jasper? Wimberly? Cuero? I just don’t see it. There is some teams in R1 and 2 that can beat them, but I don’t see anybody on the other side. This thing is going to last a longtime. The split divisions probably helped WOS more than any other team out there. 

So the Newton world beaters will have 2 losses going into district? It will be good to bring their fans back down to earth. But don't worry, they will run thru 3a D2. Don't think there is any doubt if they are the best team in their division or not. 
This reminds me of the Mighty Carthage Bulldogs fans who used to talk like some of the Eagle fans some years ago. In 2013 Carthage returned pretty much everybody from a team that played in the semi-final in 2012. The 2013 Dawgs had 5 future D1 players including Blake Bogenshutz who passed for 50+ TD in 2013, and Carthage's all time leading rusher. Carthage literally ran thru every 3a team in the state that season. The closest game they played was a 28-14 win over WOS in the R3 final. They went 15-1 that season. The one loss was a pretty bad one. Carthage who was the #1 team in the state in 3a met up with the #3 team in the state in 4a Whitehouse. Whitehouse had a future top 10 draft pick playing QB that year. Mahomes and Bogie had dueled it out in 2012, with Whitehouse winning 29-27. In 2013 this was the biggest game in NETX. #1 vs #3. This was for all the 3a teams that said they could compete with the top of 4a. Carthage came out firing in that game. Went up 39-20 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Carthage fans thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread. And then the depth of Whitehouse and Pat Mahomes flipped a switch. Whitehouse scored 49 straight points in 1-1/2 quarters. Final score was 69-39. Carthage went on to destroy class 3a. Whithouse finished 12-1 losing in the 3rd round of the 4a D2 playoffs. I have never run my mouth about beating teams from higher divisions since.
Newton going to get some of that this season. It's ok. All the top programs have to be humbled from time to time.

So the Newton world beaters will have 2 losses going into district? It will be good to bring their fans back down to earth. But don't worry, they will run thru 3a D2. Don't think there is any doubt if they are the best team in their division or not. 
This reminds me of the Mighty Carthage Bulldogs fans who used to talk like some of the Eagle fans some years ago. In 2013 Carthage returned pretty much everybody from a team that played in the semi-final in 2012. The 2013 Dawgs had 5 future D1 players including Blake Bogenshutz who passed for 50+ TD in 2013, and Carthage's all time leading rusher. Carthage literally ran thru every 3a team in the state that season. The closest game they played was a 28-14 win over WOS in the R3 final. They went 15-1 that season. The one loss was a pretty bad one. Carthage who was the #1 team in the state in 3a met up with the #3 team in the state in 4a Whitehouse. Whitehouse had a future top 10 draft pick playing QB that year. Mahomes and Bogie had dueled it out in 2012, with Whitehouse winning 29-27. In 2013 this was the biggest game in NETX. #1 vs #3. This was for all the 3a teams that said they could compete with the top of 4a. Carthage came out firing in that game. Went up 39-20 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Carthage fans thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread. And then the depth of Whitehouse and Pat Mahomes flipped a switch. Whitehouse scored 49 straight points in 1-1/2 quarters. Final score was 69-39. Carthage went on to destroy class 3a. Whithouse finished 12-1 losing in the 3rd round of the 4a D2 playoffs. I have never run my mouth about beating teams from higher divisions since.
Newton going to get some of that this season. It's ok. All the top programs have to be humbled from time to time.

This is awesome. 

So the Newton world beaters will have 2 losses going into district? It will be good to bring their fans back down to earth. But don't worry, they will run thru 3a D2. Don't think there is any doubt if they are the best team in their division or not. 
This reminds me of the Mighty Carthage Bulldogs fans who used to talk like some of the Eagle fans some years ago. In 2013 Carthage returned pretty much everybody from a team that played in the semi-final in 2012. The 2013 Dawgs had 5 future D1 players including Blake Bogenshutz who passed for 50+ TD in 2013, and Carthage's all time leading rusher. Carthage literally ran thru every 3a team in the state that season. The closest game they played was a 28-14 win over WOS in the R3 final. They went 15-1 that season. The one loss was a pretty bad one. Carthage who was the #1 team in the state in 3a met up with the #3 team in the state in 4a Whitehouse. Whitehouse had a future top 10 draft pick playing QB that year. Mahomes and Bogie had dueled it out in 2012, with Whitehouse winning 29-27. In 2013 this was the biggest game in NETX. #1 vs #3. This was for all the 3a teams that said they could compete with the top of 4a. Carthage came out firing in that game. Went up 39-20 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Carthage fans thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread. And then the depth of Whitehouse and Pat Mahomes flipped a switch. Whitehouse scored 49 straight points in 1-1/2 quarters. Final score was 69-39. Carthage went on to destroy class 3a. Whithouse finished 12-1 losing in the 3rd round of the 4a D2 playoffs. I have never run my mouth about beating teams from higher divisions since.
Newton going to get some of that this season. It's ok. All the top programs have to be humbled from time to time.

So the Newton world beaters will have 2 losses going into district? It will be good to bring their fans back down to earth. But don't worry, they will run thru 3a D2. Don't think there is any doubt if they are the best team in their division or not. 
This reminds me of the Mighty Carthage Bulldogs fans who used to talk like some of the Eagle fans some years ago. In 2013 Carthage returned pretty much everybody from a team that played in the semi-final in 2012. The 2013 Dawgs had 5 future D1 players including Blake Bogenshutz who passed for 50+ TD in 2013, and Carthage's all time leading rusher. Carthage literally ran thru every 3a team in the state that season. The closest game they played was a 28-14 win over WOS in the R3 final. They went 15-1 that season. The one loss was a pretty bad one. Carthage who was the #1 team in the state in 3a met up with the #3 team in the state in 4a Whitehouse. Whitehouse had a future top 10 draft pick playing QB that year. Mahomes and Bogie had dueled it out in 2012, with Whitehouse winning 29-27. In 2013 this was the biggest game in NETX. #1 vs #3. This was for all the 3a teams that said they could compete with the top of 4a. Carthage came out firing in that game. Went up 39-20 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Carthage fans thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread. And then the depth of Whitehouse and Pat Mahomes flipped a switch. Whitehouse scored 49 straight points in 1-1/2 quarters. Final score was 69-39. Carthage went on to destroy class 3a. Whithouse finished 12-1 losing in the 3rd round of the 4a D2 playoffs. I have never run my mouth about beating teams from higher divisions since.
Newton going to get some of that this season. It's ok. All the top programs have to be humbled from time to time.

I was thinking Silsbee will make some noise dropping down to DII. I would think Silsbee would be 6-4 or 7-3 with this schedule. I know those young gun RB are coming back. What else does Silsbee have coming back? I think the offense Silsbee runs is great for their personnel. I know y'all always have a good O-Line. Is the QB coming back? He was pretty good, and should get better. I would like to see Silsbee start out the season a little bit faster. Get some confidence early, and I think they can make some noise in the playoffs. Beside WOS, Silsbee has just as good of a program as anybody in DII R3. I think you guys are going to see a big difference in DII then in D1. You will no longer have to go thru the Hendersons, Kilgores, ECs, Carthages of the world. That region has been absolutely loaded over the years. Biggest thing is no more Carthage. But now you got WOS. So I guess pick your poison. Look forward to following the Tigers. Will be pulling for you guys in 2018. I like the direction of the Tigers the last couple years with the new coach. Now it's time to take that next step. Defense is now where you guys need to focus. I don't think Silsbee ever had a problem finding offensive lineman, QB, WR, and RB. Now the next step in the process is to improve on D. Good luck.

I was thinking Silsbee will make some noise dropping down to DII. I would think Silsbee would be 6-4 or 7-3 with this schedule. I know those young gun RB are coming back. What else does Silsbee have coming back? I think the offense Silsbee runs is great for their personnel. I know y'all always have a good O-Line. Is the QB coming back? He was pretty good, and should get better. I would like to see Silsbee start out the season a little bit faster. Get some confidence early, and I think they can make some noise in the playoffs. Beside WOS, Silsbee has just as good of a program as anybody in DII R3. I think you guys are going to see a big difference in DII then in D1. You will no longer have to go thru the Hendersons, Kilgores, ECs, Carthages of the world. That region has been absolutely loaded over the years. Biggest thing is no more Carthage. But now you got WOS. So I guess pick your poison. Look forward to following the Tigers. Will be pulling for you guys in 2018. I like the direction of the Tigers the last couple years with the new coach. Now it's time to take that next step. Defense is now where you guys need to focus. I don't think Silsbee ever had a problem finding offensive lineman, QB, WR, and RB. Now the next step in the process is to improve on D. Good luck.

#3 and #7 are both commited to Sam Houston. Listen we have had plenty of D1 recruits, All Americans, Texas POY. In most cases those players didn't win Carthage championships. IMO Carthage 2 most important players have a combined zero offers. They will probably play JUCO ball. D1 doesn't mean that much to me. Newton has had a buncha D1 athletes. But Carthage has 6 championships. This is a dumb conversation. Anybody that thinks Newton would have even played Carthage close in 2017 is crazy. Y'all will see when you play Gilmer next season. Be about like when y'all got woodshedded by Henderson a couple years ago.

Some of you guys need to put down the pipe. Carthage would've scored on every possession against Newton. Newton had an awesome season, but don't go overboard. Carthage is 3 divisions higher than Newton. That would be like Carthage saying they would've beat Manvel or HP. The best quote I have seen is that Carthage WR wouldn't have big days against Newton DB's. Hahaha. The game wouldn't have been within 4 scores unless Surratt wanted it to be.

Some of you guys need to put down the pipe. Carthage would've scored on every possession against Newton. Newton had an awesome season, but don't go overboard. Carthage is 3 divisions higher than Newton. That would be like Carthage saying they would've beat Manvel or HP. The best quote I have seen is that Carthage WR wouldn't have big days against Newton DB's. Hahaha. The game wouldn't have been within 4 scores unless Surratt wanted it to be.

Some of you guys need to put down the pipe. Carthage would've scored on every possession against Newton. Newton had an awesome season, but don't go overboard. Carthage is 3 divisions higher than Newton. That would be like Carthage saying they would've beat Manvel or HP. The best quote I have seen is that Carthage WR wouldn't have big days against Newton DB's. Hahaha. The game wouldn't have been within 4 scores unless Surratt wanted it to be.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

Carthage hadn't won a championship ever. Had only played in 1 in the history of the program. In the 7 years prior to Surratt arriving in 2007, Carthage had 2 1-9 seasons. Had not been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in that decade. Surratt comes to town and 11 years later he has more championships than playoff losses. The jimmies and joes did not change. Coaching matters.

There is no way in hell Carthage is getting held to 28. Kennedale's last 4 opponents have scored 28, 36, 43, and 28. None of those teams are close to Carthage. Carthage just scored 46 on La Vega who was giving up 9 ppg. I don't think this one will be close. Very bad matchup for Kennedale.