Rez Ipsa

SOC being talented is nothing new. I posted this on the 5A site a couple of weeks after we beat them in 2018. 
South Oak Cliff High School
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Gerald Ausborne, football: Missouri Valley College

N’Kozi Bell, football: Texas A&M-Commerce

Zecqurie Cannon Grant Fields, football: Missouri Valley College

Derrion Clark, football: University of Arizona

Derrick Jerome Coleman, football: Navarro College

KC Cook, football: Missouri Valley College

Deondre Dansby, football: UT-Permian Basin

Kendrick Eldridge, football: Texas College

Zakieth Ford, football: Texas College

Dominique Gant, football: Texas College

Braxton Haywood, football: Grambling State University

Tracie Hicks, football: West Texas A&M University

Bobby Holmes, football: University of Louisiana-Lafayette

Delmon Jennings, football: East Central Oklahoma University

Dequavion Ludd, football: Texas A&M-Commerce

Demonte Minter, football: Texas College

Steven Parker, football: University of Kansas

Sean Simms, football: Navy

Arrington Taylor, football: Prairie View University

Arrington Thomas, football: Oklahoma Panhandle State

Davion Wheeler, football: Alabama A&M University

Rashad Wren, football: Cisco Junior College

 
 

The young man in question isn't eligible at the moment...if the PAPF comes back clean, then by UIL rules he'll be eligible...if the PAPF isn't clean then we'll see a DEC hearing at minimum 

Yep - PNG has to rely on coaching up the boys we have, and SOC openly rebuilds like they’re in the ncaa. They had no pass rush against PNG last year - If we face them next year, they’ll have an all new team tailor made to deal with us. It’s ridiculous. And , if they win we’ll all stand there and clap and pretend there was anything organic about their team. If we win, they’ll file grievances and try to put asterisks and insinuations on the victory.
 
I’m not saying they’re breaking the rules by all these transfers. They’re a magnet school and PnG isn’t, etc. But the idea that all the schools don’t put their teams together under the same rules challenges the idea of high school sports altogether. 
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The game is over and no grievance is going to change that .   Move on.

Yep - PNG has to rely on coaching up the boys we have, and SOC openly rebuilds like they’re in the ncaa. They had no pass rush against PNG last year - If we face them next year, they’ll have an all new team tailor made to deal with us. It’s ridiculous. And , if they win we’ll all stand there and clap and pretend there was anything organic about their team. If we win, they’ll file grievances and try to put asterisks and insinuations on the victory.
 
I’m not saying they’re breaking the rules by all these transfers. They’re a magnet school and PnG isn’t, etc. But the idea that all the schools don’t put their teams together under the same rules challenges the idea of high school sports altogether. 
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The Mecca recruiting well to go after PNG next year.  He must have moved for academic reasons…
 
 

I'll send you the link, not sure if it can be posted here, but the answer is in what I posted. 

This outlines how incredibly stupid the grievance was. DISD didn’t file grievances about the Dallas-resident referees that reffed 4 of their 5 playoff games on the way to state. But suddenly they get a ref that isn’t from Dallas and it’s the end of the world. 
 
And, it makes clear what a lot of us already assumed, which was that South Oak Cliff had all the information needed provided to them in advance. This was just a pitiful attempt to gripe about losing. 

Absolutely - For all he gets criticized for various failings on defense, he’s a great coach and left PNG in a prime position for Joseph to build from. 

They better play tremendously better, if they are going to be competitive this upcoming season. They had one of the worst defenses I have seen in many years the last 2 seasons. I sure hope they get a defensive staff that can turn that awful defense around in a hurry Next thing that must happen, is to teach the offensive line to block, receivers how to catch, and most of all teach a QB how to throw
These phases have been missing for quite a while and that is why they have not been able to compete

And even if they aren’t, it might not be the school district footing the bill.

TD is connected enough to get the information NED needs to get a good coach.
I just think it is over kill to hire 3 consultants.
I would be willing to bet TD has a list of guys without having to do much research. 

TD hit a home run. So why not stick with that format?
Not a fork tongue to want to know where the tax dollars go.
The fork tongue is when people try to hide where the money goes......

Then I heard he (Nederland track coach) takes their medals back after they win when he gets mad.  

My observation was that Neumann didn’t use a complicated offense. In fact, I would argue that the defining theme of the six-year MCM streak was that Nederland ran a far more fundamentals-based, simple scheme on defense and offense than PNG, which enabled the team to achieve precision and confidence, especially in do-or-die situations. I think that tended to be the difference in those close games. So many games in that era came down to one or two plays where Nederland executed and PNG didn’t. 
 
One of the big differences between PNG now and PNG then is the commitment to mastering a few simple plays and expanding from that only as mastery is achieved, versus the razzle dazzle of the Faircloth era. I’ve heard PNG under Joseph be compared to Katy due to the similarity in the offense and the obvious family connection, but there’s also a similarity between Nederland under Neuman and PNG under Joseph. There’s at least a philosophical link between PNG now and Nederland under Neumann, which is they’re both good at just doing the few plays they’ve mastered right, and building from there. Nederland doesn’t need to blow up the printers with new or more complex plays. 

Absolutely - For all he gets criticized for various failings on defense, he’s a great coach and left PNG in a prime position for Joseph to build from. 

2 very very big names have threw their name in the hat… that Coach Dodge recommended them too. 😎😎

PN-G was left in a very good position by Coach Faircloth. 

True statements, but Nederland aren't really missing any kids that can truly help, maybe two or three that won't make a huge difference in outcomes of the game. There may be some Dads in here who kids aren't playing that feel a type of way, but the talent pool just isn't there. They're some Basketball players that could help right away, but they only play Basketball, which I hear is encouraged by the Head BB Coach! The AD will have to change that and emphasize to ALL coaches that he wants his athletic program having multi-sport athletes as a requirement. Something Barrow didn't really harp on. I do believe a 180 degree change in culture, and getting out of the prehistoric ways of athletics is concerned can/will change things. But it will take about 4-5 years or maybe longer for a long run in the playoffs.

Sounds like a lot of people got let go. I bet there’s a deeper story than football. 

That's why I said it all depends on how systemic the bad is.  Under normal circumstances you usually give a coach 1 year to install his system.  Second year should show marked improvement.  Third year should start competing for a Title.  But, like you have stated, it all depends how deep the bad is as to how long it'll take.  

Right - this is something I think needs to be underlined. Joseph inherited a healthy program with kids who had won several key games and had had a deep-ish playoff run. He didn’t have to “rebuild” so much as “redirect.” It sounds like Nederland will need to do something closer to a true rebuild.
That’s going to be key in how people evaluate the new guy. If the standard is “do exactly what png did and go straight to state,” that’s probably not going to work, because Faircloth left PNG in a state that is ahead of schedule relative to where Nederland is.
But, I don’t think we’re talking a several year rebuild. I think Nederland just needs to get kids back , get more kids in, hit the weight room better and structure themselves to go toe-to-toe with the power and conditioning of elite programs. They aren’t far off - If Nederland had 1% improvements across every category of improvement, they become an entirely different team.
A lot of Nedeand’s woes amount to just being left behind, not so much getting worse . The last two years, Barrow would probably have gone at least 1-1 against PNG if Faircloth had stayed the coach, because Faircloth built his teams the way Barrow does - Poor conditioning, low strength training, no attention to defense, and just hope you win by two points in a shootout. Joseph doesn’t do that, and he showed that there‘a a recipe for the mid county schools to compete at the highest level. Nederland can do it too, but given the current state of the program it might take a year or two to really see the results. But it could also be immediate, as we’ve seen. 

With no data, my assumption is participation is down. This is based on anecdotes from Nederland people who at least claim to be aware of kids who might otherwise be playing who are walking the halls instead. And, it seems to follow that if a program isn’t doing well there’s at least a few who walk away. Participation goes up with success. PNG had at least one key player come back between Joseph’s first and second years. That might just be a coincidence (unrelated to the success in Year 1). Also, just given Nederland’s history of having good players, I assume those people still exist even if they aren’t on the team. The only other explanation would be that Nederland just doesn’t have good players right now, which I refuse to believe, and I strongly suspect a new coach will prove me right.

Things at PNG wasn't as bad as they were towards the end at Nederland.  PNG probably had the good players from the halls that were already playing when the new coach got there.  Kids quit and never came out because how bad Nederland had become.  Get the right coach and start winning and you'll see how many kids you'll have available.  

Hope he enjoys his retirement if he chooses.