CardinalBacker

Briles won 4 Titles in 7 years.  Only one since he's left.  Stephenville has 5 State Titles in 20 years.  Like Aledo, did Stepenville ALWAYS have the talent?  Or -- was it created through coaching?!  Personally I feel C. Thompson at WOS creates his athletes.  JMO!

You’ve obviously never been to Newton. 
 
I’m sorry. It was a beach ball right over the plate. I couldn’t help myself. 
Go Eagles. 

Might be one of the worst stadiums in all of football

The irony of the title of this thread is rich, not talking about Cardbacker

I agree with a lot of this, but not all. WOS doesn’t just “have” athletes. They are molded and trained through years of participating in fantastic offseason programs and good coaching. Having parents that don’t sue the coaches for making Junior do bear crawls is a bonus, too. 
I firmly believe that when you lose the years between a good pee wee program and a solid varsity high school program, you can’t get them back. 

At least Navasota school board is in pursuit of getting back to finding a winning coach. I wish other school boards would take notice.

In 2015 when the question was asked, “can WOS return to the state championship game,” I said no. 
Before this season started I again answered the same question with “no,” based on the number of talented kids that were lost to graduation. 
Once more I have underestimated the Mustangs, and I stand corrected.
 

pretty impressive backer all you do is admit you wrong and get a 3 page discussion - lol

Actually, while CardinalBacker may have overstated things a little bit, he is not completely wrong either.  There is a faction in Orange which is small but very vocal who are more focused on, shall we say, certain social issues rather than the quality of the Mustang program who will literally dance in the street when Cornel Thompson announces his retirement.  They were vehemently opposed to his hiring and have taken every opportunity that they could to criticize him, even in the last couple of years when the Mustangs have won the last game of the season.
He has had the clout and the support of most of the community which has allowed him to sustain against this faction.  While there are some that are on staff, as well as Mustang alum that are elsewhere, that are capable of maintaining current levels, I am not sure that they have the clout to withstand what Thompson has been able to.  The only saving grace is that the current school board are made up of folks that I trust to be stewards of this program and will see that a successor, whenever that is, will be in tune with maintaining what has kept WO-S on top.
But I don't know that the "whenever" will be anytime soon.

I'll bet that once the new Coach at Barbers Hill is fielding a varsity team made up of kids that have been in his program since junior high, we'll all be singing a different tune.  Kids who have never hit the weight room can't make up for 4-6 years of missed gains in a single off-season.  Same goes for trying to pick up fundamentals after years of neglectful coaching. 
I don't buy the whole "athletes sticking around" because there are too many schools that seem to draw from the same talent pools but get wildly different results.  Kountze has done well in b-ball, just like Silsbee, but do we really want to compare football successes?  Who wants to compare schools like Kirbyville and Newton?  Livingston and Corrigan-Camden? WOS has managed to succeed despite numerous transfers out of the district... even as much as losing multiple starting qbs in 2014. Are you trying to say that WOS had 4 state champion caliber qbs on the roster that fall?  Or is the system the reason for the team's success? 
Coach T could do as well at some other districts, but only after time, and only if the parents and the kids were willing to accept the work that's required.
  It's also fair to point out that some classifications seem to fit better than others.  4A D1 is a totally different animal than 4A D2.  The Stangs would still be VERY successful, but I don't think they'd be making their 4th trip to the SC facing teams like Carthage.... Hypothetically, of course.  

I agree with a lot of this, but not all. WOS doesn’t just “have” athletes. They are molded and trained through years of participating in fantastic offseason programs and good coaching. Having parents that don’t sue the coaches for making Junior do bear crawls is a bonus, too. 
I firmly believe that when you lose the years between a good pee wee program and a solid varsity high school program, you can’t get them back. 

In 2015 when the question was asked, “can WOS return to the state championship game,” I said no. 
Before this season started I again answered the same question with “no,” based on the number of talented kids that were lost to graduation. 
Once more I have underestimated the Mustangs, and I stand corrected.
 

I thought that kid transferred in....
On the other hand, a fellow Alabama signee from Beaumont didn't collect any state football championships (or even make the playoffs), so I guess you'd have to say that it takes more than athletes to get to Jerryworld.
But I do believe that Coach Thompson could take his entire staff to High Island and win big after 5-6 years, IF the parents and kids would allow him to do his thing.  
I'll be a jerk here just because... Coach Thompson would fail miserably at BC.  You can say it's a lack of "athletes" but that's not entirely true.  We have our share of speed and size, maybe not at consistently as WOS, but so much of WOS's size isn't just occurring.  It's an off-season program that builds bigger, stronger athletes.  The problem is that parents and kids here in BC (and in a lot of other mediocre programs) aren't willing to do the work it takes to win consistently.  I've heard stories from WOS athletes who were like "What?  That's it?" after their first conditioning workouts in college.  I don't doubt it.  My guess is that IF either of those Alabama signees had gone to BC, they'd be about finished with their undergrad studies after an uneventful high school career and no scholarship offers.  That, my friends, has nothing to do with the fast-twitch or slow-twitch fibers of those particular athletes.  
If all it took was a good group of athletes, I think Silsbee would have a collection of championship trophies by now, no offense.  
It's both... you've got to have a decent group of athletes, cultivate them with great coaching and offseason programs (through all levels), and an elite coaching staff.  
 

In 2015 when the question was asked, “can WOS return to the state championship game,” I said no. 
Before this season started I again answered the same question with “no,” based on the number of talented kids that were lost to graduation. 
Once more I have underestimated the Mustangs, and I stand corrected.
 

In 2015 when the question was asked, “can WOS return to the state championship game,” I said no. 
Before this season started I again answered the same question with “no,” based on the number of talented kids that were lost to graduation. 
Once more I have underestimated the Mustangs, and I stand corrected.
 

I can't agree more with the comments about the parents involvement. I remember back in the beginning of the season it was pouring down raining and one of the news outlets on Facebook had a pic of the WOS players running stands. There were so many comments about how the coaches were stupid and and endangering the kids.I bet not one of those comments were from a parent of the Mustang players... I've witnessed first hand coaching little league football. Watching a game before ours at Wos, parents were angry at their own kids for not doing what was expected and they are held accountable for it. It is the polar opposite in BC, in my experience. Coaches are idiots, run the boys too much, don't have little johnny in the right position etc etc.  That also trickles down to kids. You would be amazed to hear 11, and 12 year olds talk about how coaches are stupid and don't know what they are doing. Now where do they hear that from?

I believe it’s in the mid 30’s on players. But here is the kicker, we only had the same amount when I played and teams even before me and we were 2.5 times the size school they are now. WOS always carries a small roster on varsity for 2 reasons. 1. Only the best get to wear the Silver helmet unless you are a Senior(no little johnnie syndrome at WOS, parents stay out of it) 2. Many, and I mean Many players can’t take the grueling practices and off season and quit or transfer. WOS demands mental toughness just as much or more than physical toughness. Going back to #1....we were all groomed from when we were even 4 or 5 years old of what it would take to wear the flying WOS on our helmets. It was accepted by the parents and also the kids that understood the fraternity of being a Mustang football player.A.K.A., you knew what to expect 10 years before you even showed up in the stands for that first two a day practice as a Freshman. There is a sign in the fieldhouse that is there for a reason and the EXACT example of this....”Those who remain, will be champions” not just on the field, but in life also......From my personal experience, how many high schools make kickers actually practice with the defense and are thought the same way as a linebacker or DB? I only was able to practice my craft during the offensive period. That is why I had no issues tackling and loved to lay people out when I had the chance, and I did it multiple times in my 4 years there. I wore #18 because I was also a strong safety(even though I didn’t play that position, but could if needed) we were all coached the same no matter our “regular” position. WOS football is a mind set, a way of life, not just a slogan.....

In 2015 when the question was asked, “can WOS return to the state championship game,” I said no. 
Before this season started I again answered the same question with “no,” based on the number of talented kids that were lost to graduation. 
Once more I have underestimated the Mustangs, and I stand corrected.
 

I thought that kid transferred in....
On the other hand, a fellow Alabama signee from Beaumont didn't collect any state football championships (or even make the playoffs), so I guess you'd have to say that it takes more than athletes to get to Jerryworld.
But I do believe that Coach Thompson could take his entire staff to High Island and win big after 5-6 years, IF the parents and kids would allow him to do his thing.  
I'll be a jerk here just because... Coach Thompson would fail miserably at BC.  You can say it's a lack of "athletes" but that's not entirely true.  We have our share of speed and size, maybe not at consistently as WOS, but so much of WOS's size isn't just occurring.  It's an off-season program that builds bigger, stronger athletes.  The problem is that parents and kids here in BC (and in a lot of other mediocre programs) aren't willing to do the work it takes to win consistently.  I've heard stories from WOS athletes who were like "What?  That's it?" after their first conditioning workouts in college.  I don't doubt it.  My guess is that IF either of those Alabama signees had gone to BC, they'd be about finished with their undergrad studies after an uneventful high school career and no scholarship offers.  That, my friends, has nothing to do with the fast-twitch or slow-twitch fibers of those particular athletes.  
If all it took was a good group of athletes, I think Silsbee would have a collection of championship trophies by now, no offense.  
It's both... you've got to have a decent group of athletes, cultivate them with great coaching and offseason programs (through all levels), and an elite coaching staff.  
 

I thought that kid transferred in....
On the other hand, a fellow Alabama signee from Beaumont didn't collect any state football championships (or even make the playoffs), so I guess you'd have to say that it takes more than athletes to get to Jerryworld.
But I do believe that Coach Thompson could take his entire staff to High Island and win big after 5-6 years, IF the parents and kids would allow him to do his thing.  
I'll be a jerk here just because... Coach Thompson would fail miserably at BC.  You can say it's a lack of "athletes" but that's not entirely true.  We have our share of speed and size, maybe not at consistently as WOS, but so much of WOS's size isn't just occurring.  It's an off-season program that builds bigger, stronger athletes.  The problem is that parents and kids here in BC (and in a lot of other mediocre programs) aren't willing to do the work it takes to win consistently.  I've heard stories from WOS athletes who were like "What?  That's it?" after their first conditioning workouts in college.  I don't doubt it.  My guess is that IF either of those Alabama signees had gone to BC, they'd be about finished with their undergrad studies after an uneventful high school career and no scholarship offers.  That, my friends, has nothing to do with the fast-twitch or slow-twitch fibers of those particular athletes.  
If all it took was a good group of athletes, I think Silsbee would have a collection of championship trophies by now, no offense.  
It's both... you've got to have a decent group of athletes, cultivate them with great coaching and offseason programs (through all levels), and an elite coaching staff.  
 

prime example is Lumberton.  

How many FBS kids are on WOS this year? They are very small with no depth but Thompson has those kids were they are supposed to be every play. They are excellent tacklers which is a taught skill and they block great which is also another taught skill. When I watched WOS Friday it amazed me how good they are with what I consider mostly just real good high school athletes.

I agree with a lot of this, but not all. WOS doesn’t just “have” athletes. They are molded and trained through years of participating in fantastic offseason programs and good coaching. Having parents that don’t sue the coaches for making Junior do bear crawls is a bonus, too. 
I firmly believe that when you lose the years between a good pee wee program and a solid varsity high school program, you can’t get them back. 

In 2015 when the question was asked, “can WOS return to the state championship game,” I said no. 
Before this season started I again answered the same question with “no,” based on the number of talented kids that were lost to graduation. 
Once more I have underestimated the Mustangs, and I stand corrected.