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What happened to getting wrecked?

never mind. at a glance I though it was 49-56

3 possession game? Uh oh

Playing better up to that point will prevent the need for a game winning shot.

I see both of their points. I understand perfectly what they're saying. At that particular point in the game, a bad call on a possession at the end of a close game could cause 1 team to win or lose. My point is this. There is literally an hour and a half (minimum) of game other than that that could've kept the game from even getting to the point where 1 possession can do so much damage. I'm afraid that I won't sway on that. I hear it all the time. "Refs blew that call at the end and it costed us the game." Why was it that close? "Well..we played a bad first half." Umm..that's what cost you the game.

Definitely a possibility. But you may run into an issue with some towns that may have more than 1 high school in the town. How would it be fair to make Dallas ISD consolidate schools just because there would hardly be any problems...but maybe there are towns that have a 3A and 4A in the same town (example) that maybe could also consolidate with few issues.

Sounds nice. But...can you think of another way to group schools other than school enrollment?

7-1 run...

Uh oh

I knew Lipan was big...that's really big for a 1A school. Those heights are similar to the starting 5s when I played in college lol

I heard Lipan is huge. How good is Happy?

Says the guy who obviously has blamed many a loss on the refs. If you think one, two, or even a few calls dictate the end result then you're a moron. Example: Misses 7 free throws, misses 9 shots at the rim, several turnovers....blames refs on a 2 point loss. Tell me again who's delusional.

I bet the coach wishes he could go back in time and start screaming TIME OUT when the kid went in for the dunk...so he could put that DA on the bench. smh

False. Had they made their free throws and easy buckets the bad call would not have been noticed. Or if the call had happened earlier in the game. Back on topic. If Silsbee can successfully speed the game up they will win. If Argyle can successfully slow the game down they will have a chance at winning. I personally think that Silsbee has the definite advantage.

2 things: 1st...if they missed 7 ft's and 9 or so shots around the rim then yes...that's what cost them the game. Refs had nothing to do with that. 2nd...you can not compare the foul count of 2 teams that play different styles of basketball or defense. If one team plays more aggressive defense or just bad defense then they will always commit more fouls.

What about all of the situations and possessions that led up to that?.... A lot of stuff can happen one way or another that would have prevented a game from being close enough for one possession to dictate the outcome. Literally...1 missed shot or turnover could've changed the entire situation.

Example: Coach- "Hey man...you alright? You guys look tired." Ref- "Don't worry coach, we got this." Fan 1 - "Oh my Goodness....the ref just told the Argyle coach "don't worry, we got this" Fan 2 - "Holy cow! A lady just told me that the Argyle coach asked the ref to help them out...and they agreed! she heard it" Fan 3 - "Well...no surprise we lost. A guy told me that his wife heard a lady say that she saw the coach give the ref a $100 bill to make sure they won" Fan 4 - "I didn't want to bring this up earlier, but... (insert above statement)"

Refs can NOT influence the outcome of a game. They can definitely influence the outcome of possessions/calls which can change momentum. Like state earlier...refs can't make one team make shots or another team miss shots. There were 32 minutes of game time and literally any one sinlge mistake that Center made could've made the difference in the game. How many free throws did Center miss? Or easy shots? Unforced turnovers?.... Get out of here with that nonsense. That is a very poor excuse for losing a game. "I sat close to a lady that stood behind the bench that heard the ref tell the coach...." Give me a break. Tell you what. Let's just blame the Russians.

Who said anything about "Stall" ball? I'm not talking about bringing the ball up the court slowly...or burning a minute of game time before making a shot. A good team can push the ball up the floor very quickly with 1 or 2 passes, and if they don't have an opportunity for an easy transition bucket they can pull the ball out and set up an offense and kill you with discipline. And after a shot goes up if the offensive team sends 1 or 2 back to slow/stop easy transition buckets on the other end then the team isn't having to "race back on defense" the whole game. I can promise you...pressure full court defense and trying to outsprint the other team in order to get layups every possession can be just as detrimental to the team doing it if it isn't working. If that style isn't working then Silsbee will burn a lot of unnecessary energy when they didn't have to. Notice I said IF... I'm not implying they shouldn't do what they do. And I'm not saying it can't win them the game. I'm just saying that it might not be as effective as is has been thus far.

I'm biased toward "discipline basketball". I'm not saying that I hope Silsbee loses...or that I think Argyle will win. I'm just saying that I'm a fan of the way basketball is played when athleticism isn't the only thing that matters. I'm also not saying that the game hasn't adapted to benefit bigger, stronger, faster players. Because it has. I'm just saying that there is a reason that a VAST majority of college and pro teams play basketball of the old ways. Man to man defense, half court offense. I love it. Both styles are fun, though...to watch and to play. I just think that one style has lasted through the ages, and the other was a flash in the pan and is now dying.

When I said I was confused it was sarcasm. I do that. The reason I did it this time was because your statement contradicted itself. A ref turning a blind eye to something implies that a violation occurred but the ref chose not to act on it. Pushing off and drawing a foul or committing a moving screen violation is basically a turnover. Blaming a game on refs is what is ignorant. I'm not saying you did. But someone did which is the only reason we're having this conversation. Some missed calls will not make the different between a loss and a 20+ point win. Perhaps the refs weren't turning a blind eye...maybe Argyle did it so well that it didn't appear to be a violation. Which would make sense to me being how they are a disciplined team...as you stated. Well coached teams can make things like that seem legal. Which in fact makes it legal. If the whistle doesn't blow then there is no violation. Regardless of what anyone thinks. Either way, it doesn't matter. Argyle was the best team at the regional tournament when it mattered. That's all that matters. No surprise to what happens next...2 opposite styles of play are about to square off. Silsbee will no doubt try to speed the game up. Argyle will most likely try to slow it down. I think whichever team is successful at doing that will probably win. We'll see what happens.

Well, which team are they? Are they the team at Commerce that got away with a lot of mistakes "those refs did seem to turn a blind eye to a lot of things argyle did" or are they a team that people need to "Don't look for them to make many careless mistakes."? Because now I'm confused.

Seriously? Come on man

I said this last week: There always seems to be a team (recently) that this style just doesn't work against. I personally thing that the SeTx staple of (run em into the ground) is a thing of the past when it comes to winning it all. It's been a decade or so since all you had to do was scare a team into turning it over and win a state championship. I'm not saying Silsbee isn't good enough to win it all...or that they won't. I'm just saying that there will come a time in the season where they'll have to play basketball and not press a team into oblivion. We will see if I'm correct or not. It's looking to me like Silsbee will have to pull out their half court game.

In theory. However, if a defense is sound then they'll be able to double/triple a post player and close out to the ball well enough and/or rotate well enough to at least pester a perimeter shooter. If nothing else...force an offensive player to hesitate just long enough for the defense to get back into position. Perhaps BH has leaned too heavily on their UConn commit post player too many times in tight games. Which would be understandable. I don't know. Perhaps Canyon isn't 30 points better...I'll give credit to the man that is now coaching for his 19th state championship as a head coach. I would think that someone with that much success will know exactly how to prepare his team for any kind of star player.