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Actually.. I say that like they’re a two time defending champion who lost 5 kids to D1 programs (or however many). I think that if you think they’ll be as good then you might be a little bit naive. How come WOS didn’t win it last year? They had the same head coach.. maybe because of the talent they graduated? Im not saying they won’t be good...but... I’ve seen 3A and smaller teams lose ONE D1 caliber kid and go from a state contender to a team struggling to make the playoffs.

In my opinion: Anyone who thinks Newton won’t be noticeably worse after losing all of those college caliber kids is just...well...wrong.

I agree about 1-2 years.

So I have some questions...how many games will MV win now? How deep will they go? How long will he stay? I’m curious to see how wrong the predictions will be. Like so many other schools after hiring a great coach.

I’m literally confused.

Losing 5 seniors do D1 school will also matter. I've seen 3A or smaller schools lose just one and go from a state contender to a team struggling to make the playoffs. I know.. I know.. Newton probably has a ton of talent back like always. But losing that many seniors of that athletic caliber will matter a ton.

The capitalist ideal that you can place on a public school is that if you aren't happy with the salary of the current school you work in then you can go to another public school. Since they all have different funding and a different tax base they all pay different salaries to their employees. I know their funding is dependent on taxes... I explained in a previous post why going to a small school board and asking for more money wouldn't be good.

Great point..but to be fair. 40-45 hours of that 80.5 hour week those football coaches are being paid to teach. Point remains but if we're getting technical that should be adjusted for.

There is no doubt about this one bit. In fact, this probably makes up the common core of the average small school board that the pitch would be made to. A group of school board members that just wouldn't understand the need/want for a teacher salary comparable to a teacher in an inner-city area or even community with a large tax base. As which I'm sure is the case for most schools the size of West Hardin that isn't just sitting on a pile of tax dollars via industry or natural resources. Which is probably almost every small school in the state. But...like I said. The teachers could easily go to another school is they're willing to trade small class sizes for large ones over an extra $10K or so. I would imagine that is the reason the options I gave earlier aren't considered by the teachers here or anywhere else that make this amount of money. They probably don't want to leave because of the current conditions of their classroom and they probably don't want to complain too much out of fear that the only option for a substantial pay increase (because of tax money within the district) is to have fewer teachers...which would, in turn, increase the numbers in a class.

Two things: Not all teachers fit the description you give. I know plenty who show up early and stay late. I know plenty who put in more time/days than however many their contract says they have to work because I have a lot of friends/family who teach/coach and several of them have a spouse that teach/coach. The main difference is that when/if a teacher puts more time in they aren't compensated for it. A great teacher makes the same as a bad teacher. You probably are compensated for extra time. Otherwise, I doubt you'd go. I know I don't. Second.. you did hire the teachers at your school. You voted for the school board members that hired the administrators that requested the hire of the teachers.

You can... in terms of a public school salary because they're not all the same. So. If West Hardin teachers aren't satisfied with the salary that they are receiving at the West Hardin public school then they actually have options. They can: 1. Keep complaining about their salary yet go to work every day for that salary anyway. 2. Stop going to work and refuse to work at West Hardin public school until the school either replace them or is forced to figure out a way to pay more money if it can't hire more teachers. 3. Apply and go to work for a different public school that pays more money. Same is true for class size.. not happy with the number of kids you have in class? See above options ^. Not happy with the school contribution to benefits? Above options ^.

Actually, it's not our or anyone else's opinion concerning the salaries of teacher, doctors, oil field workers or anyone else. We live in a capitalist economy where supply/demand drives everything. The demand for medical field employees is much higher so they get paid more. Just like their services cost more. As long as there are teachers willing to work for 40K/year then that's what they will get paid. Maybe teachers should just walk away or refuse to work and then we'll see how important an education really is. Or not. It's whatever to me.. I also know a lot of teachers that are perfectly happy with how much they get paid. We are, in fact, talking about the salary at West Hardin. Other schools pay a lot more so teachers could go to work somewhere else.

I'm definitely not saying you're wrong. There wouldn't be doctors without teachers...but should teachers make more money than doctors? In my opinion, no.

To be fair... working 6 months of out of the year in an environment where there are literally potential life-threatening explosions for 12 hour days doing back-breaking labor is probably worth three times more. At least.

You aren't understanding my point that a teacher making $40K/yr is more than likely not supporting an entire family (spouse/kid(s)) with that salary alone? I won't waste my time explaining any simpler than that...I don't think I could anyway.

"Eyes rolled"

I agree that they're a joke.. but it still stands true that each teacher in the district is more than likely not the only person putting a paycheck into the bank. A female teacher making 40K so she can work at the school her kids go to with a husband that might work in a chemical plant making.. I dunno.. $30/hr can probably provide a pretty good life for their family. Even if they have a husband/wife combo working at the school... $80K/year between the two of them is enough to not starve. I personally know guys that make that much and their wife doesn't work.. what's the difference? There isn't a way to persuade someone with genuine experience to go there and work. I'm sure they get a lot of young coaches, coaches at the end of their career, or maybe someone having a hard time finding a coaching job anywhere else.

Are you assuming that these teachers are supporting their family on their teacher salary alone? There is a likelihood that they also have a working spouse.

Thanks for clearing it up. That ETC is a little subjective, though. Might be better clarified to specifically say "coach, referee, or any person(s) tied to any particular school/town." I got you though.

I don't have a dog in this fight.. but.. it kind of does matter. Which rule is being broken?.. and what coach, player, referee, or other member was called a name? The only reason I bring it up is that I post some things every once in a while that people probably don't like but I still don't break the forum rules. Like if I said some school was a blazing dumpster fire.. probably offensive but not against the rules. This isn't against the rules either.

For a school with that few kids, it actually isn't terrible.

Sorry, my man.. I thought I was on the West Hardin thread.

What are you considering "in the area"? The greater Batson area? Or are you talking about Hardin County.. (because Hardin county schools pay peanuts)?

-Great kids -High rating -Hardworking These are usually code words (when stated alone) for "we are absolutely awful but I need to find a compliment because saying things like "we are beyond terrible" would probably get me in trouble".

Maybe so..but from the perspective of a prospective Athletic Director / Head Football Coach, it is certainly a bad school. The only saving grace could be if the school decided to use their low numbers to their advantage and drop to 6 man to try to be competitive. If the community doesn't want that to happen..maybe it's a bad community as well. From the perspective of an AD/HFC I mean.