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Just now, TxHoops said:

 

It’s all starting to make more sense….

Yep. 

3 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Rarer than a Bigfoot sighting. 

They’re certainly not from the local chapter. I can guarantee you that. 

5 minutes ago, MRTitan1313 said:

Let’s go Coogs keep brining it to them in the second half!!

Buna looks good again tonight. They’re looking like the better team. Just need to keep 23 from CH from shooting the 3. 

Just now, AggiesAreWe said:

End 1st

26-8 Buna 

😳😳

Central Heights beat Buna. Don’t remember the exact score but I think it was by about 35

Buna wins 54-40

Tied at 21. Halftime. 

6 hours ago, Knox34 said:

Are we supposed to believe that this was the only place you discussed your dissatisfaction about him? The point is the man was on the hot seat and wasn’t appreciated and left to go somewhere where he was. Right? I would think anybody else in the same situation that had other options available to them would probably do the same. We can call it looking for something new. We can say they parted ways. We can say whatever. Bottom line is he’s out and Buna might be out of playoffs. I don’t have a dog in the fight. Just curious what Buna fans thought about situation. 

I just don’t believe this to be true. Whitmire chose to leave. It didn’t have anything to do with any school board member. It may have had something to do with the previous AD, but that’s just a rumor. 

1 minute ago, KF89 said:

DAGHOST makes it hard on all opponents.👻 

Didn’t have anything to do with him. Buna tied the game at 51 with a couple seconds left, clock is running, and the official calls a touch foul on the in bounds with .09 seconds left to give OF free throws. An official should never be the deciding factor in a basketball game. It should’ve went to OT and let the kids sort it out. 

3 minutes ago, UNT-AggieMan said:

4th tough loss in a row for buna… that’s gotta be hard 

If you saw how it would be even worse. 

Buna 45 OF 44

1 minute ago, cb3plus3 said:

I see people talk about individual coaches, players, etc on these threads. Why should calling out the referee be any different? If so, why is that? Isn't that really part of the issue with the chapter really? These guys don't get held accountable for their actions? I don't want to stop a thread either but if you are a coach, you get much worse treatment than this. 

All true. I can’t argue with that at all. 

1 hour ago, cb3plus3 said:

I watch at least 3-4 HS games per week. Been doing so for many years now.  Same chapter officials for the most part. What I notice from a large portion of the SETX Chapter is the willingness and blatant disregard for consistency and fairness. There are some good and fair referees. But there are some over the top guys like the weather guy from Channel 6 is my case in point. Probably should be doing sub varsity games only. I've been in 5 games he has refereed this year and he is by far the most inconsistent and biased referee in the chapter. Maybe it's just he's new but last night he refereed WOS/BC and seriously had 75% of the calls. He had 2 veteran referees in the crew and they were typical on their calls. Not great but not terrible. But this guy...wow...even at one time the WOS fans chanted "take his whistle".  The referees have a tough job but honestly it’s a lot of self endured pain. Again, there are some good referees in this Chapter but some really rotten ones too. Just because they are veterans doesn't give them a pass on inconsistent calls and  biased officiating. Some of those guys are really rotten at times too. Calling fouls on a player, giving the score table the wrong number is seriously incompetent and unacceptable. Having to huddle up as a crew after several calls in a row and decide who the foul is on, makes you scratch your head. Just makes the officials look bad. Again, tough job they have but definitely they can relieve some of their pain with additonal training and consistency.

I understand your frustration, but let’s not name any particular official. I don’t want this thread to get locked up. It’s been a good place to “vent” after some of these things are happening. 

12 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I didn't think you were referring to that game.

Thanks. I’m pretty sure I responded to the wrong post. 

1 hour ago, cb3plus3 said:

I watch at least 3-4 HS games per week. Been doing so for many years now.  Same chapter officials for the most part. What I notice from a large portion of the SETX Chapter is the willingness and blatant disregard for consistency and fairness. There are some good and fair referees. But there are some over the top guys like the weather guy from Channel 6 is my case in point. Probably should be doing sub varsity games only. I've been in 5 games he has refereed this year and he is by far the most inconsistent and biased referee in the chapter. Maybe it's just he's new but last night he refereed WOS/BC and seriously had 75% of the calls. He had 2 veteran referees in the crew and they were typical on their calls. Not great but not terrible. But this guy...wow...even at one time the WOS fans chanted "take his whistle".  The referees have a tough job but honestly its a lot of self endured pain. Again, there are some good referees in this Chapter but some really rotten ones too. Just because they are veterans doesn't give them a pass on inconsistent calls and  biased officiating. Some of those guys are really rotten at times too. Calling fouls on a player, giving the score table the wrong number is seriously incompetent and unacceptable. Having to huddle up as a crew after several calls in a row and decide who the foul is on, makes you scratch your head. Just makes the officials look bad. Again, tough job they have but definitely they can relieve some of their pain with additonal training and consistency.

Last night during a girls basketball game, I saw a player (who I know personally) kindly tap an official on the shoulder to ask a question. He put his hand in her face and walked away. After that game I asked her what he said. This is what she told me…

”You can’t talk to me. You need to shut up.”

I get at some places these guys are treated bad, and I hate that for them. However, during this particular game, as bad of a job as they were doing hardly a word was said to these guys. Who holds this official accountable? Answer, no one. The kid has every right to ask a question. Especially when they genuinely want an answer so that they can correct themselves. What if the official came to the kid to say something (which happens often), and the kid had the same response the official did? She gets a T, coach most likely removes her from the game, and most coaches are going to make the kid run or something after the next practice. 

32 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Houston Chapter officiated LC-M/Silsbee game

I wasn’t at that game tonight. I’m sure it was well officiated. 

35 minutes ago, gogo1734 said:

Well, back to the Beaumont chapter tonight and right back to really, really bad officiating. Same bad guys over and over. It’s not that they just aren’t good, it that they don’t want to be good. 

I shouldn’t say the entire chapter. That’s wrong of me. There are 5-6 of those guys that can flat out ruin a basketball game. It’s not all of them. My apologies for that comment. 

Well, back to the Beaumont chapter tonight and right back to really, really bad officiating. Same bad guys over and over. It’s not that they just aren’t good, it that they don’t want to be good. 

7 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

From my angle it was good.

Agreed. Post man made a great cut and the Anahuac PG made one hell of a pass to him under the basket. 

2 minutes ago, Knox34 said:

Gogo. How was the officiating in that game? 

It was really good. They had control of the game from the top to the finish and were consistent throughout. I really didn’t hear many complaints from the stands on either side. 

This was one heck of a basketball game!

Buna moves to 5-3 in district play

14 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

You can go to any HS Varsity football game and you'll hear people howling at the refs on practically any play that has a bad outcome for the team in whose bleachers you're sitting.  As you can only imagine, the other side howls every time that something doesn't go like it "should" for their team.  The refs are getting an earful from one side or the other on practically every play.  I've seen the crew send coaches up into our stands to tell parents to tone it down or they were going to be ejected for yelling over and over and over.  I've seen our kids get bad calls (or no calls) in baseball games and I'm confident that it has a whole lot to do with "Dads" like yourself who know it all... and don't mind giving the ref and earful.... because it's their job, right?

 

Every time someone has suggested that you, sir, should give reffing a try... you crawfish like the do-nothing, know-it-all that I'm sure that you are.  It's all fun and games to scream at a ref, but knowing deep down in your heart you don't have the stones to do that job.... All you can do is complain.  

As I’ve said in previous posts, which you clearly didn’t read, I’ve officiated or umpired many games voluntarily at the youth level and they’re just as bad on most days. I do it when I have time to. Also, I don’t currently have a son playing in HS right now which I also mentioned in reference to your “dad” comment. 

33 minutes ago, Cherokee88 said:

 I think you missed the point that many of these guys/ladies have different day jobs and do this on the side to give back to the game we all love. They make very little in terms of the abuse they have to put up with. I also know coaches are given the right to scratch officials they feel are too incompetent. I also know that people shouldn't be quick to criticize/berate officials if they aren't willing to be a part of the solution. 

That’s like saying you shouldn’t be able to criticize a car salesman if you aren’t willing to become one. It’s just silly. I and many others don’t care if officials have another day job. We care about the job they’re doing as officials. I’m not a yeller and screamer at officials during a game. That’s the coach’s job. However, I leave games now more often than ever frustrated at the way a game is officiated. There’s no longer any consistency whatsoever. The post above talked about several rules we should all know. I couldn’t agree more with that part of his post. Although, the officials all call games according to the same rule book, you even see some of the simplest of calls officially drastically different from game to game. It shouldn’t be that way. 

7 hours ago, watup said:

Open letter to: Fans, parents; players, coaches and AD’s.

Keep It Positive!

You may or may not know we are having a shortage of officials.  Veteran officials are leaving the game and younger officials are hard to recruit.

There are many reasons but one of the biggest concerns is, in game behavior towards officials.

As a reminder, this is not our job.  We do it for the game, we do it for the players; we do it for your children.  Yes, we get paid, but for $45 to $70 would you leave work at 5PM, drive an hour away, do a 7:30 game and get home between 9:00 and 10:30, 4 to 5 nights a week?  And, have people you never met, yell when you make a call or don’t make a call.  Did I mention we have to pay annual fees and dues to the state and local associations?  Did I mention we must also attend a number of on-line and local association meetings?  And of course, buy uniforms.  Would you give up your Friday and Saturday nights for four months for my child?

Yes, some officials are not the most fleet of foot, some are still learning, and some are just not that good, but they are still out there so your children can play.  You’re not going to get NCAA officials for your junior high school game.  What you get, is a dedicated; passionate person who loves the game.

Shooters don’t make every shot. Football players miss tackles and hold.  In MLB baseball the three statistics always shown are Runs, Hits and ERRORS.  Yes Errors.  The best athletes in the world make mistakes.  And so do officials, we are human.  The world will not end because of a missed travel.

Imagine doing your job and every 3 minutes, a stranger looks over your shoulder and tells you “You’re horrible”. “You’re doing it wrong”.  They may be right, but could you work under those conditions? Would you want to?  And it’s become more physical.  Just last week alone, there were two incidents where parent fans attacked officials.  One was a Tennessee senator!

What makes it worse, is when those people yelling at you have no idea what your job is.

The reason for this letter is to ask for a commitment.  If we don’t make changes, youth sports may be in serious trouble.  The average high school official is 58 years old.  Many games had to be cancelled the last two years due to shortage of officials.

If you’re a parent or a fan, support the players, cheer for them. Just because you paid your $6.00 doesn’t give you the right to scream and yell obscenities to the officials.  Cheer for your team.  Keep it positive.

If you’re a player, ask your parents to behave, have better social skills.  It’s embarrassing to the child when we have to remove a player’s parent.  If you want to make a difference, when you’re done with school, become an official we need them.

If you’re a coach or AD, lead by example.  Respect the officials, give feedback to your assignors we will work on improving their skills.  Demand your parents sign a Code of Conduct at your parent’s meetings.   As simple as, “We understand if anyone is anything but positive, to opposing teams, fans or officials, they will be removed from the event.  The second time they will be banned for the season”.  Remind them every pre-game. Then please enforce it. Zero tolerance.

We hear all the time, “the gym and athletics are an extension of the classroom”. Would you let these things happen in “your” class?  We can’t allow it to continue.  We have 15 minutes of warm up, make the announcement.  AT EVERY GAME.  I know no one wants to be the bad guy but their behavior is what caused it.  By letting this behavior continue it’s only going to get worse. Set the example.

I am committed to you, to continue to educate officials. I am asking you to commit to helping us keep them on the court.

One of the many reasons fans and even coaches yell and scream, is that they don’t understand NFHS rules.

What you see on TV is not National Federation High School rules.  There are at least 5 sets of different rules, between the pro and high school levels.  So let me start with a few simple top 10 rules that many people don’t understand, and we hear them every night.  Feel free to share these at your parent meetings or send home or give to your players.

 

1)     Over the Back- There is no foul for “over the back”.  Over the back means a taller player reached over and secured the ball.  Over the back is legal.  On the back or pushing through the back to get a ball is illegal.  It’s a push.

2)     A player, while dribbling can fumble the ball all the way down the court legally.  As long as it’s not intentional.  It is impossible to travel if you don’t have control of the ball.  It’s ugly but we have no call for ugly.

3)     A dribbler who lets the ball bounce high, even over their head has not “carried” the ball.  It is a high dribble.  As long as the hand doesn’t go under to “carry” or come to rest in the hand, the dribble is legal.

4)     Three seconds in the key.  This only applies while the ball is in the front court.  “If a player has been in for less than three seconds and dribbles in or attempts a goal no call should be made”. 

The three second count restarts on every shot attempt and doesn’t start until the team has control of the rebound.  So yes, a player could be in the key for 10 or more seconds if attempts are being made to score.

5)     A player diving for a lose-ball, even once securing the ball, can slide any distance without traveling.  It is only if the player rolls over to avoid a defender or attempts to get up without dribbling that a violation occurs.

6)     A “box out” is securing a position on the floor.  Displacement is pushing somebody off a position and is illegal.  A player can not crash into an opponent as a box out.  That is a foul.

7)     A kick violation was changed to an intentional act, so if a player throws the ball off a foot or a leg it is not a violation.  Only an intentional kick is a violation.

😎     The definition of a foul is: Illegal contact, on an opponent, during a live ball, that hinders their ability to make an offensive or defensive play. 

Therefore:

1)     A moving screen with no contact is not illegal.  An illegal screen is when a player does not set a legal screen and makes contact or once contact is made, then makes illegal contact.

2)     Not all contact is a foul. There can be contact that doesn’t “hinder” a player’s ability to make the play. High school athletes can play through some contact.

9)     A player does not have to be “set” to take a charge.  Once “legal guarding position” is established, the defender can move sideways, backwards and even jump and still be legal.    (Legal Guarding Position = both feet on the floor facing their opponent)

10)  All four sides of the backboard are in bounds (on a square backboard).  The ball can legally bounce on the top of the backboard, roll on the top and fall into the basket and be a good goal.  Over the backboard from either side or touching any of the support straps, springs or cables cause the ball to be out of bounds

These are the top 10 rules that are misunderstood. There are plenty more, but this is a good start

Let’s all make an effort to keep the kids playing.  We need your help. 

Keep It Positive!  Please.

No one asked for NCAA officials for Jr high basketball games. My original post is only speaking on high school varsity basketball games. It’s not too much to ask for officials in a varsity game to be competent. As far as “respect” goes we had an official who approached a fan who he thought had been complaining (he had not but it was someone close by this particular man). The official told the man, “If you don’t shut the hell up I’m going to throw your fat ass out of here.” The man told the official, “it wasn’t me” and he was promptly thrown out of the gym. This was a 70+ year old man who was ejected from the gym for nothing. Officials laughing in the face of coaches and refusing to have a discussion with a coach about a call. That’s unprofessional and disrespectful. These things go both ways. Your attitude that any and every official should be able to do an extremely poor job without being questioned is absurd. If I was as poor at my job as some of these guys I’d have been fired years ago.