stevenash

Mr. Prudhomme put on the best performance I have seen by a high school basketball player in a very long time tonight against West Orange.  I think he had about 33 points and 4 or 5 blocked shots, several assists, and either 3 or 4 dunks.  I can only remember one turnover. At one point, he scored 6 points off the press in about 10 seconds.  Couple of colleges were there looking at him and I believe he helped his cause considerably.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1173738" timestamp="1328654355"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=77127.msg928905#msg928905 date=1291846628] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=77127.msg928894#msg928894 date=1291845279] [quote author=86hawk link=topic=77127.msg928853#msg928853 date=1291839988] All this talk about HF is killing me.  When was/did HF become relevant when it came to basketball?  I keep thinking i am reading the Football or Baseball page.  To say that HF will be district champs in the future would be like me spitting out non sense that the HJ Football team will dominate district in the upcoming years.  Neither is going to happen.  Every now and again, HJ football will win just enough games to make it the 3rd team in district.  Same with HF in basketball.  One year not a dynasty made.  In 3 or 4 or 20 years, HF may win a few basketball games and may not be the district step child.  But for now, please know your role.  I will continue to keep my mouth shut when it comes to HJ football and beat my chest when they finally win vs proclaiming their dominance in the distant future and look like the village idiot to everyone reading this page. [/quote] Permit me to recommend that you send a private message to bluedove3 and find out exactly why HF will win a state championship in 2012 [/quote]2013. I gotta delay it for a year. Gotta work out some bugs in the system over there. 8) [/quote] OK I found it, Dove I'm sorry  ;) [/quote] Congrats Detective PoppaBear.  Your $10,000 check is in the  mail.

[quote name="Wampus Kitty" post="1173587" timestamp="1328647404"] dunk count HJ-2 WOS-2 HJ WOS pulls the upset 64 to 61 [/quote] Now here is a man that knows what he is talking about

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1173640" timestamp="1328649680"] [quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95532.msg1173572#msg1173572 date=1328646225] Willie Warren ( North Crowley High - 5A State Champs / Oklahoma Sooner / L.A. Clipper) was definitely the " Clutch " player of his time. I saw him in the Texas Boys St. Tourn. making 30' jumpers & multiple dunks. Amazing!!!! [/quote]Thanks. Didn't realize he was with the Clippers. Interesting, Tommy Mason-Griffith was becoming the man as a freshman and Warren wasn't heard about as much that year.  But Warren is with Clippers and Mason is playing in Germany, trying to get another shot at the NBA. [/quote] Can't they get him into Yates some way?

Dove- Is tonight that New Era you spoke of?

[quote name="COUG4LIFE" post="1173044" timestamp="1328557142"] If they educated yall a little[b] beter [/b] there in BC you might could spell a little better.  We can spell and we can play Sucka! [b] Your [/b] gonna have fun losing [/quote] You may want to refrain from giving spelling and/or grammar tips.

Does anyone find this type of information to be a reliable indicator of what success same kids will have at varsity level?

[quote name="homeless" post="1173461" timestamp="1328635182"] [quote author=homeless link=topic=95318.msg1173165#msg1173165 date=1328567172] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95318.msg1173142#msg1173142 date=1328565543] [quote author=homeless link=topic=95318.msg1173131#msg1173131 date=1328564274] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95318.msg1172646#msg1172646 date=1328496557] [quote author=homeless link=topic=95318.msg1172626#msg1172626 date=1328494576] oh my goodness. You must really be isolated in SE Tx to think HJ or silsbee could hang with Yates. I appreciate your heart, but pleeeze use your brain. Yes, they are kids and if they played 50 times SE Tx could come away with 2 or 3 wins, but you gotta kidding otherwise. HJ struggled with Kingwood Park AT HOME. and Kpark would lose to Yates by 25. Yates has the athletic bodies, not one, several, to cover HJ's stud who is normally a matchup nightmare. Plus isn't he a Senior? [/quote] Is leading the entire game considered a struggle?  Is Yates beating Wheatley only in the last 5 minutes of the game and then Wheatley losing to Central considered domination? [/quote] maybe I was at the wrong game. Did they play twice this yr? I saw one where HJ was down 3 end of 1st qtr to KPark and up by 1 at end of 3rd and game in doubt until final 3 minutes. Which game were you at? [/quote] I was at the same game you allegedly were at. " In doubt" is a relative term and you can call it that if a team is up by 2 or 20, so that wont float.  From my perspective, when it came down to winning and losing the game, there was no doubt.  And you can rest assured that, unless you are on the staff of HJ, you are not qualified to suggest you have a better understanding of this team than I do. [/quote] If you were at the same game, why did you misstate the facts ("leading the entire game")? [/quote] @StevenNash, If you were at the same game, why did you misstate the facts ("leading the entire game")? [/quote] Frankly, I do not remember the exact score at the end of the first quarter.  My original premise is correct, they led for the great majority of the game and you can't alter that fact.  HJ was the better team, also a fact you cant alter.  So if you wish to discredit HJ, find a better way

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1173403" timestamp="1328630308"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95318.msg1173345#msg1173345 date=1328623576] [quote author=Team Game link=topic=95318.msg1173343#msg1173343 date=1328623404] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=95318.msg1173160#msg1173160 date=1328566842] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95318.msg1172658#msg1172658 date=1328498501] It means NOTHING.  You all have screamed repeatedly how the tougher Silsbee schedule did such great things.  Tell me now that it mattered that much. [/quote] Why does HJ avoid playing inner city schools? Thats just my question. [/quote] I am tired of hearing how weak HJ's schedule is...If you look on the rankings list they have played 4 more games than anyone else listed. Maybe their theory is more games means more opportunity to play and function as a team! [/quote] Actually it is very very simple.  The coach/staff are MUCH better qualified to determine the HJ schedule than people on this board.  Five consecutive years in Huntsville suggests (accurately suggests) that the HJ schedule lends itself to the team doing well at playoff time. [/quote]A new dawn is about to occur. [/quote] Our president said the same thing

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1173403" timestamp="1328630308"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95318.msg1173345#msg1173345 date=1328623576] [quote author=Team Game link=topic=95318.msg1173343#msg1173343 date=1328623404] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=95318.msg1173160#msg1173160 date=1328566842] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95318.msg1172658#msg1172658 date=1328498501] It means NOTHING.  You all have screamed repeatedly how the tougher Silsbee schedule did such great things.  Tell me now that it mattered that much. [/quote] Why does HJ avoid playing inner city schools? Thats just my question. [/quote] I am tired of hearing how weak HJ's schedule is...If you look on the rankings list they have played 4 more games than anyone else listed. Maybe their theory is more games means more opportunity to play and function as a team! [/quote] Actually it is very very simple.  The coach/staff are MUCH better qualified to determine the HJ schedule than people on this board.  Five consecutive years in Huntsville suggests (accurately suggests) that the HJ schedule lends itself to the team doing well at playoff time. [/quote]A new dawn is about to occur. [/quote] You have been saying that now for about 3 years.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1173298" timestamp="1328591204"] Predicted dunkometer count. WO-S - 1, which sparks H-J - 3 [/quote] You CANNOT talk about that!!!

The Hawks have been instructed to avoid all dunks because executing them can be as redundant as talking about them and the redundancy police are lurking. [img][Hidden Content]]

Not sure how you prepare it but I can tell you it really tastes bad.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1173355" timestamp="1328624330"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95474.msg1173349#msg1173349 date=1328623945] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173156#msg1173156 date=1328566743] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95474.msg1173145#msg1173145 date=1328565789] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173124#msg1173124 date=1328564017] Nederland has 1 player that can create his own shot, and he's one of their bigs.  The other player is a perimeter player,  but he cannot create his shot.  He can finish on fast breaks, but in the half court game, he relies on screens and picks and shoots off of them.  The rest of the team are spot up shooters.  One of the starters is neither one as he is on the defensive stoper for the team, but he is also the shortest player on the team. [/quote] You paint the picture as though they have so many liabilities.  If so, how is their record what it is?  Furthermore, I think you are over enamored with "creating your own shot".  THere are a lot more "creators" out there than there are scorers.  When we played your team, I can promise you that one of the largest problems you had was one player trying to "create" too often.  As for the spot up shooters, if they are good ones, they have the ability to remove the defenders from helping out at all.  Didn't Bobby KNight pretty well document the fact that you dont need a lot of one on one expertise to have a good team? [/quote]We lost to your team, H-J because we couldn't/didn't have a consistant 3 point shooting game, which we do have now.  Even you made that observation I believe. [/quote] I remember making the comment about poor three point shooting but I am pretty confident I did not list it as the reason you lost the game.  You lost the game because a better team beat you and there is no way you can re-write history.  If you can, then I want to claim that we shouldnt have lost our first game at Silsbee.  Your very own comments about that game included a criticism of the coaching staff and mine included a comment about your top player doing too much 1 on 1.  Whatever shortcomings Central has corrected by now would indicate that whatever shortcomings HJ had has been corrected by now. [/quote]I can roll with that. [/quote] I will be sending your new dunk-o-meter to you today.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1173156" timestamp="1328566743"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95474.msg1173145#msg1173145 date=1328565789] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1173124#msg1173124 date=1328564017] Nederland has 1 player that can create his own shot, and he's one of their bigs.  The other player is a perimeter player,  but he cannot create his shot.  He can finish on fast breaks, but in the half court game, he relies on screens and picks and shoots off of them.  The rest of the team are spot up shooters.  One of the starters is neither one as he is on the defensive stoper for the team, but he is also the shortest player on the team. [/quote] You paint the picture as though they have so many liabilities.  If so, how is their record what it is?  Furthermore, I think you are over enamored with "creating your own shot".  THere are a lot more "creators" out there than there are scorers.  When we played your team, I can promise you that one of the largest problems you had was one player trying to "create" too often.  As for the spot up shooters, if they are good ones, they have the ability to remove the defenders from helping out at all.  Didn't Bobby KNight pretty well document the fact that you dont need a lot of one on one expertise to have a good team? [/quote]We lost to your team, H-J because we couldn't/didn't have a consistant 3 point shooting game, which we do have now.  Even you made that observation I believe. [/quote] I remember making the comment about poor three point shooting but I am pretty confident I did not list it as the reason you lost the game.  You lost the game because a better team beat you and there is no way you can re-write history.  If you can, then I want to claim that we shouldnt have lost our first game at Silsbee.  Your very own comments about that game included a criticism of the coaching staff and mine included a comment about your top player doing too much 1 on 1.  Whatever shortcomings Central has corrected by now would indicate that whatever shortcomings HJ had has been corrected by now.

No-look    Based upon that last comment, you need to get over to the political viewpoints board

[quote name="Team Game" post="1173343" timestamp="1328623404"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=95318.msg1173160#msg1173160 date=1328566842] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95318.msg1172658#msg1172658 date=1328498501] It means NOTHING.  You all have screamed repeatedly how the tougher Silsbee schedule did such great things.  Tell me now that it mattered that much. [/quote] Why does HJ avoid playing inner city schools? Thats just my question. [/quote] I am tired of hearing how weak HJ's schedule is...If you look on the rankings list they have played 4 more games than anyone else listed. Maybe their theory is more games means more opportunity to play and function as a team! [/quote] Actually it is very very simple.  The coach/staff are MUCH better qualified to determine the HJ schedule than people on this board.  Five consecutive years in Huntsville suggests (accurately suggests) that the HJ schedule lends itself to the team doing well at playoff time.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1173183" timestamp="1328569942"] Is New Waverly even winning their district?  I know they are at the top, but Trinity and Crockett are in the hunt as well.  Central Heights.  White Oak.  Those are just a few.  It wont be a cakewalk. [/quote] I believe Central Heights may have as good a chance as anyone.  I also think Tatum is pretty decent this year.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1173175" timestamp="1328567626"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=95532.msg1173122#msg1173122 date=1328563943] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95532.msg1173027#msg1173027 date=1328556626] Derrick Daniels - FW Dunbar 89 Eric Morris - Houston Madison 89 Stephen Jackson - PA Lincoln 96 Eddie Cumbo - Houston Wheatley 85 Daniel Gibson - Houston Jones 04 Daniel Ewing - Sugarland Willowridge 01 Immanuel McElroy - PA Lincoln 98 BJ Tyler - PA Lincoln 89 Antonio Falu - Houston Waltrip 98 Damon Sweet - Beaumont Central 88 Elmer Bennett - Houston Bellaire 88 Just to name a few...  :D [/quote] Waste a few of those guys on Waltrip closer to 21 than 18? [/quote] He was not quite 21, when they won state, but he was an 18 year old junior, which caused problems the next year for him....He could really play nonetheless. [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95532.msg1173113#msg1173113 date=1328562152] Point guard named Hunter at Houston Kashmere.  Been quite a while back but he was amazing and I have never seen anyone like him since. [/quote] Yeah he was a good one...goes by the name BLUEDOVE3 now and he cost my dad a state title by getting injured in a PLAYOFF WARM UP GAME!!!! >:( >:(... ;D ;D [/quote] Very few people realize that he was drafted (the old territorial rights) straight out of high school by the Spurs but spurned their offer in order to pursue his chosen career.  Not many with the discipline to pass up big$ and stardom in order to properly raise a family.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1173124" timestamp="1328564017"] Nederland has 1 player that can create his own shot, and he's one of their bigs.  The other player is a perimeter player,  but he cannot create his shot.  He can finish on fast breaks, but in the half court game, he relies on screens and picks and shoots off of them.  The rest of the team are spot up shooters.  One of the starters is neither one as he is on the defensive stoper for the team, but he is also the shortest player on the team. [/quote] You paint the picture as though they have so many liabilities.  If so, how is their record what it is?  Furthermore, I think you are over enamored with "creating your own shot".  THere are a lot more "creators" out there than there are scorers.  When we played your team, I can promise you that one of the largest problems you had was one player trying to "create" too often.  As for the spot up shooters, if they are good ones, they have the ability to remove the defenders from helping out at all.  Didn't Bobby KNight pretty well document the fact that you dont need a lot of one on one expertise to have a good team?

[quote name="homeless" post="1173131" timestamp="1328564274"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95318.msg1172646#msg1172646 date=1328496557] [quote author=homeless link=topic=95318.msg1172626#msg1172626 date=1328494576] oh my goodness. You must really be isolated in SE Tx to think HJ or silsbee could hang with Yates. I appreciate your heart, but pleeeze use your brain. Yes, they are kids and if they played 50 times SE Tx could come away with 2 or 3 wins, but you gotta kidding otherwise. HJ struggled with Kingwood Park AT HOME. and Kpark would lose to Yates by 25. Yates has the athletic bodies, not one, several, to cover HJ's stud who is normally a matchup nightmare. Plus isn't he a Senior? [/quote] Is leading the entire game considered a struggle?  Is Yates beating Wheatley only in the last 5 minutes of the game and then Wheatley losing to Central considered domination? [/quote] maybe I was at the wrong game. Did they play twice this yr? I saw one where HJ was down 3 end of 1st qtr to KPark and up by 1 at end of 3rd and game in doubt until final 3 minutes. Which game were you at? [/quote] I was at the same game you allegedly were at. " In doubt" is a relative term and you can call it that if a team is up by 2 or 20, so that wont float.  From my perspective, when it came down to winning and losing the game, there was no doubt.  And you can rest assured that, unless you are on the staff of HJ, you are not qualified to suggest you have a better understanding of this team than I do.

Point guard named Hunter at Houston Kashmere.  Been quite a while back but he was amazing and I have never seen anyone like him since.

[quote name="texas2step4u" post="1172855" timestamp="1328547029"] The final score of the game just reflects on poor sportsmanship, simple as that.  These are high school kids, not paid athletes, not scholarshipped athletes.....high school kids.  They do the best they can and no coach from any school should ever allow this to happen.  Let the air out of the ball, play the trainer, whatever.  And I dont expect guys like Bluedove to understand this concept.  Course, in my day, we didnt shop our kids to other schools, we had them play for the district they lived in. [/quote] I guess that means your kids did not attend Yates?

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1172826" timestamp="1328545044"] I sat next to the Ozen Coaches/scouts that were watching Nederland.  Let's just say that the things that I saw that we did good as far as beating Nederland, they saw way more than I saw and they will be ready.  Now the Scouts had a game plan.  Now if the coach will actually follow through is another thing. [/quote] Game plans are great but they still must be executed by the players.  The coaches can only do so much.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1172816" timestamp="1328544212"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95013.msg1172455#msg1172455 date=1328464738] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95013.msg1167561#msg1167561 date=1327797803] Go to gym and get better. [/quote] Dove- I am a little confused by this.  In this thread where a whopping margin is involved, your answer is simply for the loser to get better.  But when HJ beat Orangefield the other night by a margin no where near this, your comment was " running up the score again".  Do I sense a degree of inconsistency here? [/quote]Nope! Just a reminder that HJ ran the score up on some defenseless little team. Why didn't you guys didn't have to score over 30 points to win. [/quote] What is an acceptable margin of victory?  I notice that you never are concerned about the margins that Yates wins by.