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[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1171611" timestamp="1328315680"] Stevnash I will go out on a limb and tell you for a fact Yates would beat HJ by 30. The speed they have in their starting 5 gets faster when the bench clears. Coach Wise is like the dude from the original Karate Kid. "No Mercy"! [/quote] If it's a fact, why do you describe it as going out on a limb?  I have to take your statements with a grain of salt based upon past golf conversations/predictions.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1171841" timestamp="1328325768"] Great gmae plan by Central.  This game could have been blown open big time, be we missed a LOT of free throws.  We cllosed out on 3 point shooters, we fought under screens, and we battled tooth and nail with the big Sophomore Nederland post man. Our defensive game plan worked to perfection. K. Smith was a man tonight. He killed the mid range jumper earlier in the game.  The one on one game went great.  NO Nederland defender could check him.  Kid finished with almost 30 points.  Shout out to the Freshman Wildridge as he showed big late in the game.  CENTRAL Finished 2-1 in the season series. Good luck on the rest of the season, Big Ned.  BTW, the coach called out a heck of a game plan, so it's safe to say that English got out-coached tonight?  (im just stirring the pot.  ;) ) [/quote] Soulja- Congrats on the victory.  I didnt think it would happen.  Looks like you employed the dunk-o-meter tonight.  I also think you should know we had two devices working tonight.  The dunk-o-meter recorded two and the alley-oop-o-meter recorded another two.  Just think, there are two or three people on here who could be half way to a quick $250 if they had accepted my proposition.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1171495" timestamp="1328308648"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=95318.msg1170816#msg1170816 date=1328218758] SETX will beat a Yates team next year! They play almost out of control at times. They have very below average shooters. Most of their points come off the press. I think the Tigers and Hawks have points returning who can beat their press and not panic under pressure. They normally start 6'2, 6'2, 5'11 6'6 and 6'5. [/quote]Wow, how did I miss these few comments. But never too late to respond ;) Yates have average shooters, I agree. The only way HJ can score off Yates is to run when Yates score. HJ cannot play a half court game with Yates. Sounds odd to say that, doesn't it? I'l let you guys and other experts figure it out. Silsbee, well thats a whole different story. Yates size and rebounding matched with their quickness will match well against Silsbee. [/quote] So you are saying that Silsbee would do considerably better against Yates than Hj would?  Is that sort of like WOS losing to Silsbee at Silsbee by 7 and then HJ beating WOS at WOS by 30+?  Yes, I can certainly see how that comparison works out.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1171234" timestamp="1328287248"] [quote author=speechless link=topic=95072.msg1171228#msg1171228 date=1328286865] I'm not speaking statistically, I'm speaking factually from having seen the situations first hand. Statistics are nice and all but, don't always tell the whole story. [/quote]When you are trying to find the most equitable situation for all, statistics is all you have.  Everything else becomes cumbersome and creates more problems than it solves.  I could bore you to tears with bell-curves that support this reasoning, but it just isn't worth it. [/quote] Will statistics accurately quanitify the level of competition created in a metropolitan area vs a rural area and hence the eventual quality of the players?  I would be willing to bet that if you take the top1% of all basketball players in Houston and compare them to the top 1% of players in the Nacogdoches community, there is a substantial difference in the calibre of play.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1171174" timestamp="1328282806"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95072.msg1171156#msg1171156 date=1328281208] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95072.msg1171149#msg1171149 date=1328281028] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95072.msg1171145#msg1171145 date=1328280900] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95072.msg1171135#msg1171135 date=1328280270] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95072.msg1171113#msg1171113 date=1328278231] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95072.msg1170949#msg1170949 date=1328228171] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95072.msg1170941#msg1170941 date=1328227522] that sucks, but so does a small school meeting up with an inner city school in the playoffs that has 500 more kids enrolled and that is able to pull kids in from all over a huge city. [/quote]You find a more feasible solution and we'll pitch it to UIL.  In the meantime, I'll watch teams like Kountze compete with 1/2 of the local 4A teams in the area and laugh at you. You see, its the quality of the basketball pool that is so much more important than the size of the basketball pool.  Take HJ and Silsbee.  Together, they've beaten probably every 4A and 5A team in the area this year alone. [/quote] laugh away... if kountze was 3A, they'd be about the 30th best team in the state. and there are many 3A schools that are closer in size to Kountze than they are to the 3A schools at the top of the spectrum.  and this is the reason i brought up huge cities, and schools pulling in kids from all over those cities, but keeping enrollment under 1000.  Which basketball pool has more quality... Hardin Jefferson, or the entire city of Houston, which Yates seems to pick and choose players from? [/quote]Yates= Win and they shall follow you. Players pick Yates,[sub] [size=8pt]with a litttle outside variables included[/size][/sub] [/quote] Tme can change a lot of things.  Wasnt that long ago that a certain Beaumont school was the big kid on the block and that was never going to change. [/quote]There you go again. All of Beaumont hit a dry spell about 2 years ago. [/quote] Which is proof that nothing is permanent INCLUDING the Yates situation. [/quote]I think HJ's dry spell gonna hit /start next year ;) [/quote] How do you define dry?  NOt going to state?  Not going to regionals?  Not making the playoffs?  Having a record below 500?  The only word you need to change in your statement is to use "hope" rather than "think" in order to make it totally accurate.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1171149" timestamp="1328281028"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95072.msg1171145#msg1171145 date=1328280900] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95072.msg1171135#msg1171135 date=1328280270] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95072.msg1171113#msg1171113 date=1328278231] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95072.msg1170949#msg1170949 date=1328228171] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95072.msg1170941#msg1170941 date=1328227522] that sucks, but so does a small school meeting up with an inner city school in the playoffs that has 500 more kids enrolled and that is able to pull kids in from all over a huge city. [/quote]You find a more feasible solution and we'll pitch it to UIL.  In the meantime, I'll watch teams like Kountze compete with 1/2 of the local 4A teams in the area and laugh at you. You see, its the quality of the basketball pool that is so much more important than the size of the basketball pool.  Take HJ and Silsbee.  Together, they've beaten probably every 4A and 5A team in the area this year alone. [/quote] laugh away... if kountze was 3A, they'd be about the 30th best team in the state. and there are many 3A schools that are closer in size to Kountze than they are to the 3A schools at the top of the spectrum.  and this is the reason i brought up huge cities, and schools pulling in kids from all over those cities, but keeping enrollment under 1000.  Which basketball pool has more quality... Hardin Jefferson, or the entire city of Houston, which Yates seems to pick and choose players from? [/quote]Yates= Win and they shall follow you. Players pick Yates,[sub] [size=8pt]with a litttle outside variables included[/size][/sub] [/quote] Tme can change a lot of things.  Wasnt that long ago that a certain Beaumont school was the big kid on the block and that was never going to change. [/quote]There you go again. All of Beaumont hit a dry spell about 2 years ago. [/quote] Which is proof that nothing is permanent INCLUDING the Yates situation.

[quote name="bullets13" post="1171113" timestamp="1328278231"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95072.msg1170949#msg1170949 date=1328228171] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95072.msg1170941#msg1170941 date=1328227522] that sucks, but so does a small school meeting up with an inner city school in the playoffs that has 500 more kids enrolled and that is able to pull kids in from all over a huge city. [/quote]You find a more feasible solution and we'll pitch it to UIL.  In the meantime, I'll watch teams like Kountze compete with 1/2 of the local 4A teams in the area and laugh at you. You see, its the quality of the basketball pool that is so much more important than the size of the basketball pool.  Take HJ and Silsbee.  Together, they've beaten probably every 4A and 5A team in the area this year alone. [/quote] laugh away... if kountze was 3A, they'd be about the 30th best team in the state. and there are many 3A schools that are closer in size to Kountze than they are to the 3A schools at the top of the spectrum.  and this is the reason i brought up huge cities, and schools pulling in kids from all over those cities, but keeping enrollment under 1000.  Which basketball pool has more quality... Hardin Jefferson, or the entire city of Houston, which Yates seems to pick and choose players from? [/quote] If there were a way to quanitify/ handicap basketball to an enrollment figure, I suspect HJ would be listed among the cream of the crop in the state.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1171135" timestamp="1328280270"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95072.msg1171113#msg1171113 date=1328278231] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95072.msg1170949#msg1170949 date=1328228171] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95072.msg1170941#msg1170941 date=1328227522] that sucks, but so does a small school meeting up with an inner city school in the playoffs that has 500 more kids enrolled and that is able to pull kids in from all over a huge city. [/quote]You find a more feasible solution and we'll pitch it to UIL.  In the meantime, I'll watch teams like Kountze compete with 1/2 of the local 4A teams in the area and laugh at you. You see, its the quality of the basketball pool that is so much more important than the size of the basketball pool.  Take HJ and Silsbee.  Together, they've beaten probably every 4A and 5A team in the area this year alone. [/quote] laugh away... if kountze was 3A, they'd be about the 30th best team in the state. and there are many 3A schools that are closer in size to Kountze than they are to the 3A schools at the top of the spectrum.  and this is the reason i brought up huge cities, and schools pulling in kids from all over those cities, but keeping enrollment under 1000.  Which basketball pool has more quality... Hardin Jefferson, or the entire city of Houston, which Yates seems to pick and choose players from? [/quote]Yates= Win and they shall follow you. Players pick Yates,[sub] [size=8pt]with a litttle outside variables included[/size][/sub] [/quote] Tme can change a lot of things.  Wasnt that long ago that a certain Beaumont school was the big kid on the block and that was never going to change.

Soulja-  Will they employ that "special" measuring device at the game tonite?

HJ and Silsbee can beat Furr and Waltrip with their own rosters right now.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1170990" timestamp="1328234786"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95072.msg1170925#msg1170925 date=1328225606] Surely you mean 6 hours cumulative and not one way.  I honestly had no idea there was any district where travel took 3 hours.  What towns are involved? [/quote] Sulpher Springs to Longview [/quote] Google "distance from Sullphur Springs to Longview"  The answer was 1 hr 33 minutes

Surely you mean 6 hours cumulative and not one way.  I honestly had no idea there was any district where travel took 3 hours.  What towns are involved?

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1170901" timestamp="1328223688"] I said it before...Central's team and coaches will feel the pressure in a close game in the 4th, will not make the adjustments, will not make the plays, will not make free throws, Nederland will play disciplined, smart ball.....and will win by 10 [/quote] But so many are saying that Central is so much more talented that the talent will trump disciplined, smart ball.  Right Dove?  ( I just can't figure out why that same talent did not prevail in the first game)

[quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1170854" timestamp="1328220932"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95273.msg1170839#msg1170839 date=1328219907] If they MUST play the seeding game, I would much rather it be played at the Montagne than Ford Park. [/quote] Nawww - those are both wrong.  Take it out to Nutty Jerry's barn/court. ;D [/quote] Although I have not been to Nutty Jerrys, I am under the impression that we could have a meal while we watched the game.  Am I correct?

If I am the Spurs and can have only one of the two players, I will take Tim Duncan over DeJuan Blair every time.

;D  Keep in mind Bullets, that the Dove uses "selective" reasoning

[quote name="rc2182" post="1170766" timestamp="1328216158"] I am not backing down, and I DON'T want to take Nash hard earned money, prediction was made two weeks ago, so far one prdiction came true, two left to go. [/quote] Feel free to take my money.  Lauberge takes it on a regular basis.  If you dont take it you are simply saying you are not as convinced as you say you are.

Santa, are you reading this thread?

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1170727" timestamp="1328213491"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95273.msg1170694#msg1170694 date=1328212585] Well, I will certainly look for an opportunity to reciprocate.  [/quote]....aaaahhhh, and he's back! [/quote] I agree with that statement ( reciprocity #1)

Yep- and I believe a third time will keep them both "on their toes" more than anyone else available will regardless of who wins and who is seeded where.  If I am a Silsbee or HJ player and I am in that big game against LaVega, I am thinking "this cant be much tougher than what I have been through with my district opponent 3 times" and ought to make me a little more confident.  As much as I have heard about the "Silsbee benefits/ and is better for having played a tougher schedule", it would seem that playing HJ again would merely enhance that claim.

If you mean what you say, then why are you picking Ozen and Central in the upcoming Nederland games?  Are you saying the " I am tired of this beating" factor will be the larger determinant of who wins in these two games?

Does anybody know if the spreads (from smallest pop to largest pop in each division) has changed much from the last one?

Well, I will certainly look for an opportunity to reciprocate.  The main obstacle for either team is an undefeated and obviously very good Waco LaVega who, I belive is #1 in the state.  Should either team wind up playing LaVega in Huntsville, I have to believe that having played each other will be the best preparation.  Does that mean I am right?  Heck no.  It's just my opinion which I am obviously never hesitant to offer. ;D

From a seeding standpoint, I too, see little value.  On the other side, I still believe that each provides the other with the best available preparation for the playoffs.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1170676" timestamp="1328211751"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95269.msg1170553#msg1170553 date=1328208597] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95269.msg1170532#msg1170532 date=1328208100] You gotta give the props to coaches at schools like Nederland (and HJ). They keep winning with [s]no [/s] little talent  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] I guess that depends on how one interprets talent.  From my perspective, there are a couple of different ways (probably more) to arrive at your conclusion.  In one corner are those whose evaluation is based on speed, athleticism, and shake n bake capabilities while in the other corner are those who believe that skill and understanding/achieving the game objective are major components of "talent". [/quote]Sweet midranged jumpers is talent.  It wouldn't hurt if you can do a shake and bake, a pretty spin move and push the dunk-o-meter to 5 a game. [/quote] I assume you mean a high percentage of made sweet mid range jumpers is talent. Are the sweet midrange jumpers a result of talent or constant practice?