FINAL — West Orange-Stark 42 at Hamshire-Fannett 28 — Discussion

[WOSdrummer99]

Then I see him cussing on live TV hot mic

Doubt any of the above mentioned coaches would be doing that.

Discipline starts at the top

[TxHoops]

8 hours ago, Kdubya said:

I think Carthage was the better team last year for state.  With that defense,  quarterback, running back and receivers that Carthage had, it would have taken more than coaching.  Jmo

Correct.  Nick Saban wasn’t beating Carthage with that WOS team. 

[TxHoops]

4 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Then I see him cussing on live TV hot mic

Doubt any of the above mentioned coaches would be doing that.

Discipline starts at the top

I once heard Coach Hooks cussing Coach Crouch over some play-calling through walkie talkie in the post-Rita showdown with BC when Deion Beasley was a Sr, Little Earl a Jr, and BF had Johnny Dishon.  You couldn’t have found a comedy show in the country funnier than the tirade Dan Ray went on.  

[TxHoops]

I had a local coach (whose team has played both of these teams) tell me a couple of weeks ago that this one may be a showdown of the best two teams in SETX.  After getting absolutely punched in the mouth, the team comes out after halftime and proceeds to dismantle the Longhorns.  If you know a thing about this sport, you know what it is when a team completely flips the script and dominates in the 2H.  Almost always coaching.  
 

I’ve said this many times, WOS won’t likely have a coach anywhere near Dan Ray or Cornel the rest of our lives and probably ever.  It’s insane how lucky they were to have them back to back.   And in my book, CT is probably the 1-1 of Southeast Texas football coaches based on what he did as the DC under Hooks and as the HC when he retired.  He was hugely responsible for all of their rings.  You just aren’t going to get that again.  Kalen DeBoers could be the best coach in the game right now and he still wouldn't be Nick Saban. 
 

Hickman is a first time HC that you would expect to make mistakes.  Maybe a lot of them.  But you also hope that he would steadily improve and take advantage of one of the unique football situations in the State.  He obviously has.  Consistently.  
 

It’s fine to appreciate the past and take pride in all that was accomplished.  It’s also high time to move and appreciate what you have now, which is still among the elite programs in the state. 

[AggiesAreWe]

18 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

I had a local coach (whose team has played both of these teams) tell me a couple of weeks ago that this one may be a showdown of the best two teams in SETX.  After getting absolutely punched in the mouth, the team comes out after halftime and proceeds to dismantle the Longhorns.  If you know a thing about this sport, you know what it is when a team completely flips the script and dominates in the 2H.  Almost always coaching.  
 

I’ve said this many times, WOS won’t likely have a coach anywhere near Dan Ray or Cornel the rest of our lives and probably ever.  It’s insane how lucky they were to have them back to back.   And in my book, CT is probably the 1-1 of Southeast Texas football coaches based on what he did as the DC under Hooks and as the HC when he retired.  He was hugely responsible for all of their rings.  You just aren’t going to get that again.  Kalen DeBoers could be the best coach in the game right now and he still wouldn't be Nick Saban. 
 

Hickman is a first time HC that you would expect to make mistakes.  Maybe a lot of them.  But you also hope that he would steadily improve and take advantage of one of the unique football situations in the State.  He obviously has.  Consistently.  
 

It’s fine to appreciate the past and take pride in all that was accomplished.  It’s also high time to move and appreciate what you have now, which is still among the elite programs in the state. 

Well said my friend. Well said.

[BigRed5]

49 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

I once heard Coach Hooks cussing Coach Crouch over some play-calling through walkie talkie in the post-Rita showdown with BC when Deion Beasley was a Sr, Little Earl a Jr, and BF had Johnny Dishon.  You couldn’t have found a comedy show in the country funnier than the tirade Dan Ray went on.  

If you heard Coach Hooks cuss anyone, you are rare. I was doing my student coaching that year and the worst thing I ever heard him say was "Dang it!" 

[AggiesAreWe]

I really believed WO-S was the better team and would prevail in this one. 

Thanks Mustangs for making me look good. (even though I missed on 10 games this week in pickems. ouch)

Congrats to Coach H and his staff on a great 2nd half (28-0). Defense shined and the offense took over on the ground. Coach Trahan with some nice play calls.

Great win! 

[Gasilla]

6 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Not true. They continue to grow into what we have been expecting since day 1. They constantly have us questioning them. But then they do something like this. How could we complain after the adjustments they made in order to dominate the 2nd half. 

Hickman is in year 5

Hooks won year 6

Thompson 5

Gary Joseph 4

Jeff Joseph 2

Surratt 2

Just saying its still very possible.

But this win is theirs. As i said earlier this week. H hadn't won in HF. Check another obstacle/milestone off the list. Keep on going. We're not done yet.

Great post! Don't tell me, show me... 

They showed us. 

The discipline still has to improve, though. But, was better last night.

Edge pressure is everything. Especially in the 50 and especially with our athletes. They brought it in the second half and it changed the game.

[TxHoops]

1 hour ago, BigRed5 said:

If you heard Coach Hooks cuss anyone, you are rare. I was doing my student coaching that year and the worst thing I ever heard him say was "Dang it!" 

Okay, we were in the visitors stands below some of the assistant coaches including Crouch. Maybe it was cleaner aspersions (such as dumb a, etc) and definitely wasn’t vulgar.  But the undressing he gave him over the walkies after a few play calls he didn’t love was hilarious. It was a very entertaining game with not a lot of fans there and that was by far the highlight to me.  Hooks has hysterical. 

[WOSdrummer99]

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Great summery considering there is no video evidence 

[Matthew328]

Its pretty clear to me Coach Hickman could walk on water and a portion of the WOS fan base would find fault in it...

He is not Hooks or CT, nor should he be...he has to be himself and I do feel like he has grown tremendously as a HC the past couple of yrs...great comeback win for WOS

[AggiesAreWe]

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Great summery considering there is no video evidence 

Gary was live on the sideline the last quarter of the game. I watched it on Facebook last night.

[WOSdrummer99]

59 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Gary was live on the sideline the last quarter of the game. I watched it on Facebook last night.

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[BBfan061]

2 hours ago, Matthew328 said:

Its pretty clear to me Coach Hickman could walk on water and a portion of the WOS fan base would find fault in it...

He is not Hooks or CT, nor should he be...he has to be himself and I do feel like he has grown tremendously as a HC the past couple of yrs...great comeback win for WOS

100% correct 

[hondo1]

14 hours ago, Burntorangefootball said:

That's not a representative comparison. The districts today and teams they play talent wise or nothing like those teams of the past. Even La Marque isn't the same with larger pools and more schools. Our general area has remained quite the same. If we're going to pull in the other coaches, I promise they bring more of a discipline that would reflect through performance but that's neither here nor there. The other comment is just ignorant. You like to bring in a certain topic that screams low self esteem and ignorance. By the way, why did they win all of those titles a decade or so ago. Talent plus discipline equals domination. Now that's facts. What is the overall record of the current coach in a much weaker district and being in an actual classification that's correct for size of school compared to the last couple.....? That should settle this wonderful debate.

So the change in coaches made the district weaker? It’s the exact same teams in the district for at least the last 15 years, except for shepherd . Yall will say the most ridiculous & patently false ish to justify yall, so when yall don’t like the coach, any success he has is either due to weak competition, extraordinarily great talent on the team, or the other coaches are just letting them win. When it’s the coaches yall worship, they were beating NFL teams and NEVER lost? You don’t even see the contradictions in your own comment. “ The teams they play today talent wise(or , learn word usage)  are nothing like the teams of the past “ then the same genius that made that statement, which is you , proceeded to say “ our general area has remained the same” which one is it either there’s no talent left in our local district & we’re only playing WEAK teams, or nothing’s changed , according to you our area has remained the same , and we’re not beating weak teams??? The cognitive dissonance you have is astounding, you can’t bring yourself to admit the truth because it would destroy your world view. That “ other coach” who yall claim is a great coach, & better than the coach at WOS , in 15 years, has never won a playoff game, never been to the second round, has never won a district championship, has an overall losing record as a head coach, but you and your ilk insist that he’s a great coach. That’s how you know yall are full of what goes in the toilet 

[hondo1]

3 hours ago, Matthew328 said:

Its pretty clear to me Coach Hickman could walk on water and a portion of the WOS fan base would find fault in it...

He is not Hooks or CT, nor should he be...he has to be himself and I do feel like he has grown tremendously as a HC the past couple of yrs...great comeback win for WOS

Amen

[WOS00]

15 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Not true. They continue to grow into what we have been expecting since day 1. They constantly have us questioning them. But then they do something like this. How could we complain after the adjustments they made in order to dominate the 2nd half. 

Hickman is in year 5

Hooks won year 6

Thompson 5

Gary Joseph 4

Jeff Joseph 2

Surratt 2

Just saying its still very possible.

But this win is theirs. As i said earlier this week. H hadn't won in HF. Check another obstacle/milestone off the list. Keep on going. We're not done yet.

How many of our championship runs came after a drop in classification?

[WOSdrummer99]

6 hours ago, WOS00 said:

How many of our championship runs came after a drop in classification?

Both winning runs came after the drop

(1) 86 was 1st year in 4A after being ranked #4 and beat by #1 Yates in 3rd round in 85

2000 was in the middle of old school 20-4A

Dropped to 3A in 04. Preseason #1 but beat by #2 Jasper in week 1. Lost to Huffman in rd 1

05 we lost to Wimberley rd 4

(2) 14 was first year in 4Ad2 which started the 4 year run

25 was actually 3 years past the DCTF preseason prediction that we would meet Carthage in Dallas

[WOS00]

1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Both winning runs came after the drop

(1) 86 was 1st year in 4A after being ranked #4 and beat by #1 Yates in 3rd round in 85

2000 was in the middle of old school 20-4A

Dropped to 3A in 04. Preseason #1 but beat by #2 Jasper in week 1. Lost to Huffman in rd 1

05 we lost to Wimberley rd 4

(2) 14 was first year in 4Ad2 which started the 4 year run

25 was actually 3 years past the DCTF preseason prediction that we would meet Carthage in Dallas

I think that’s a pretty important part of the discussion when it comes to expectations. Were those great coaches, yes. Would they still have experienced all those state runs without the drop…we’ll never know. 2000 was the year after we didn’t even make the playoffs.

[dj]

19 hours ago, Matthew328 said:

Its pretty clear to me Coach Hickman could walk on water and a portion of the WOS fan base would find fault in it...

He is not Hooks or CT, nor should he be...he has to be himself and I do feel like he has grown tremendously as a HC the past couple of yrs...great comeback win for WOS

I think he has really grown also.but,  I think what seperates great teams.are the staff included.i really do believe oline and dline coaching alone with a little better discipline.they would be right back at the top.football starts at the line of scrimmage.on both sides of the ball. One person (coach). Cant fix any team.and that what's seperates some teams.from jump I said w.o would beat HF.i didn't think they would have to come from behind.they will make a run in the playoffs.but, idk, what happens when you have face size up front from schools like Carthage,gilmer,le vega.and your under size.how can they off set that.from any championship runs they have had they always  were able to hold there own.if you look at there past it will show that.85 team lost to yates,88/89 team lost to Paris,2000 ennis,14 gilmer,17 pleasant groves.so no matter who the coach is if they can handle up front althetes on team will give them a shot 

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[WOSdrummer99]

7 hours ago, dj said:

, what happens when you have face size up front from schools like Carthage,gilmer,le vega.

None of them are in our region. I dont think this is still up to date. @Matthew328

PROJECTED BI-DISTRICT MATCHUPS AND PLAYOFF OUTLOOK

W9 Van vs F10 Silsbee

R12 Bellville vs T11 Houston North Forest

W10 West Orange-Stark vs F9 Madisonville

R11 Houston Worthing vs T12 Hitchcock

W11 Houston Yates vs F12 La Grange

R10 Hamshire-Fannett vs T9 Canton

W12 La Marque vs F11 Houston Washington

R9 Athens vs T10 Shepherd

REGIONAL CHAMPION

West Orange-Stark over La Marque