BC/LCM watch scandal?

[LamarCard2011]

Cleary a difference in the second half production, the lack of evidence is the key in their decission but its obvious looking at the two halfs. 

[TheMissingBand]

Sometimes good things happen to bad people. 
 

Congrats on the “win” LCM. 

[setxathlete14]

2 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

Sometimes good things happen to bad people. 
 

Congrats on the “win” LCM. 

There is no asterisk. Evidence was throughly reviewed and beat to death. 

[americasteam22]

No competitive disadvantage found. Straight from the UIL. 
so LCM wins because their better 

I hope after all evidence given and UIl decision that people respect the UIL 

[HJ-2001]

From the tone and wording of the meeting it seems LCM was very close to losing more than an assistant coach for the season.. 

[setxathlete14]

25 minutes ago, Bear Down00 said:

LCM is cooked! Clear the whole staff knew and a clear advantage had. 

 

Blatantly false information. But I guess that what these threads are for.

[setxathlete14]

1 minute ago, HJ-2001 said:

From the tone and wording of the meeting it seems LCM was very close to losing more than an assistant coach for the season.. 

Thats not the tone I perceived or they would have made that action

[Split Down The Bayou]

3 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

Thats not the tone I perceived or they would have made that action

The UIL board all said they can see and lean towards LCM having an advantage, but didn't have enough to "go down that bumpy road" 

But you heard what you want to hear I'm sure. 

[Little Jerry]

BC should go back to these so don't have anything to worry about

[PINETREE]

I would have sided with LC-M that they just made a bad decision until i heard about the 9th grade student changing jerseys and playing in JV game on the same day...Past reputation will come back to  haunt you again and again....now i know they do have the propensity to CHEAT....LC-M will be under the proverbial microscope for a long time to come...

[setxathlete14]

Just now, Split Down The Bayou said:

The UIL board all said they can see and lean towards LCM having an advantage, but didn't have enough to "go down that bumpy road" 

But you heard what you want to hear I'm sure. 

Yeah I was hoping they went down that bumpy road. Care to expound on the combined record of your previous opponents before lcm? Since highlighted that was your only loss

[setxathlete14]

Bc sup tried to claim competitivie disadvantage because they had to turn the bands off. But also said their terminology of plays was very basic and simple.  Huge disadvantage 🤣🤣🤣 for ehat were stated as "master planners" in coaches

[HarryDoyle]

It seems to me like BC had a better second half signaling, maybe they should stick with that instead of the watches.

[Setxhasbeen]

Only thing i found interesting was the difference in plays ran and yardage first half to second. Alarming numbers but, not enough proof! 
 

But “adjustments” were made lol

[JackofAll]

8 minutes ago, PINETREE said:

I would have sided with LC-M that they just made a bad decision until i heard about the 9th grade student changing jerseys and playing in JV game on the same day...Past reputation will come back to  haunt you again and again....now i know they do have the propensity to CHEAT....LC-M will be under the proverbial microscope for a long time to come...

That was when LCM self reported an issue and the coach was punished.

[bullets13]

I understand why the committee didn't find enough concrete evidence to forfeit the game or suspend other coaches. that said, did anyone that's not from LCM watch the proceedings today and come away with an opinion of anything other than everyone pretty much knew what happened, but also didn't feel like they could prove it enough to allow for further action? This is a horrible look for LCM, and they look worse rather than better after this meeting, despite the victory a few of the more delusional folks are claiming.

[setxathlete14]

Someone help me here. I watched the entire thing. NOT 1 single time did BC bring up just wanting their watch back and/or ethical decision making or lack there of, recouping funds. Why they needed the watch back....

 

BCs ONLY discussion and complaint and commments were on lcm competitive advantage. And bringing up stats and their loss since we're talking about tones. Bc only wanted lcm forfeiture here. They didn't expound on anything else complaint wise.

[Old Bald Man]

Some people will just always land "jelly side up"...until they dont!

[AggiesAreWe]

I personally believe there was a competitive advantage in this situation. But like the DEC and SEC ruled, there was no preponderance of evidence to prove it so therefore a forfeit wasn't warranted.

I stated from the get go that I didn't think a forfeit would be warranted in this situation. Public reprimands, probation and coach suspensions? Yes. But no forfeit. 

Glad this is over. Now my phone can stop blowing up.

[Split Down The Bayou]

Just now, setxathlete14 said:

Yeah I was hoping they went down that bumpy road. Care to expound on the combined record of your previous opponents before lcm? Since highlighted that was your only loss

I don’t make the schedule, nor have I made any comments about one team being better than the other. The situation at hand is concerning, and we’ll never truly know who would’ve won without the watch.

Your disdain for BC is honestly pretty comical. LCM isn’t exactly a powerhouse — they’ll probably be turning in equipment in a couple of weeks just like the rest of the district 😂 So the idea that one program is superior to the other is hilarious.

[TheMissingBand]

I’ve kept quiet about this, but I talked to a BC defensive starter after the game. When asked what happened in the first half, he nailed it. “They got one of our bands and knew our plays before the snap. We went back to signaling plays in from the sideline and they couldn’t stop us.” 
 

That’s the whole “adjustment” that BC coaches made… they stopped giving the plays to LCM. 
 

Like I said… they had to cheat to beat a 4A D2 school. Did Peevey forget how to coach or do they just suck up there? You be the judge. 
 

 

[bullets13]

21 minutes ago, americasteam22 said:

No competitive disadvantage found. Straight from the UIL. 
so LCM wins because their better 

I hope after all evidence given and UIl decision that people respect the UIL 

no competitive disadvantage could be proven through a preponderance of evidence. Big difference that you guys need to learn. 

[PINETREE]

I watched the proceedings and the committee knows exactly what happened but these 3 words kept them from exacting further punishment....PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE

[HJ-2001]

4 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I understand why the committee didn't find enough concrete evidence to forfeit the game or suspend other coaches. that said, did anyone that's not from LCM watch the proceedings today and come away with an opinion of anything other than everyone pretty much knew what happened, but also didn't feel like they could prove it enough to allow for further action? This is a horrible look for LCM, and they look worse rather than better after this meeting, despite the victory a few of the more delusional folks are claiming.

the only reason they didn't have to forfeit this game is the UIL couldn't clear cut prove that LCM used the watch. but they are right on the cusp of it by watching the assistant coaches mannerisms on the sideline.  You can pretty much tell by the way they all were talking they all knew it was "off" but you just don't have a smoking gun. 

[setxathlete14]

7 minutes ago, Split Down The Bayou said:

I don’t make the schedule, nor have I made any comments about one team being better than the other. The situation at hand is concerning, and we’ll never truly know who would’ve won without the watch.

Your disdain for BC is honestly pretty comical. LCM isn’t exactly a powerhouse — they’ll probably be turning in equipment in a couple of weeks just like the rest of the district 😂 So the idea that one program is superior to the other is hilarious.

My disdain is BCs intentions were clear to me.... They wanted an lcm forfeiture. They weren't concerned with getting the watch returned or refunded or anything of that nature.