The 14th Amendment & Birthright Citizenship

[LumRaiderFan]

6 hours ago, Big girl said:

The constitution says that anyone born on us soil is a citizen.

No, it doesn’t.

[SmashMouth]

On 6/30/2025 at 4:08 PM, tvc184 said:

If only the Constitution said anyone born on US soil was an American as you claimed, it would have been settled 100 years ago.

Can't get past those darned semantics... Unfortunately, many tend to ignore everything except what they want to hear (@Big girl for instance).

[OlDawg]

This issue will definitely be heading to SCOTUS in October. 

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[Big girl]

Another court shoots down Trump's birthright citizenship claim. So how many generations do we go back. Trump's grandfather was not born here. So was Trump's dad a citizen?

[Reagan]

6 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Another court shoots down Trump's birthright citizenship claim. So how many generations do we go back. Trump's grandfather was not born here. So was Trump's dad a citizen?

Trump wanted this to go all the way to the Supreme Court for a decision anyway.  

[OlDawg]

15 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Another court shoots down Trump's birthright citizenship claim. So how many generations do we go back. Trump's grandfather was not born here. So was Trump's dad a citizen?

The EO specified anyone born after Feb. 19, 2025.

Do try to keep up.

[Big girl]

12 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

The EO specified anyone born after Feb. 19, 2025.

Do try to keep up.

So everybody else can stay here?

[Boyz N Da Hood]

I wont claim to be in the know on this issue. That said i have a question, is Melania and Baron any different ? How's that "legal"

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

I wont claim to be in the know on this issue. That said i have a question, is Melania and Baron any different ? How's that "legal"

I haven’t looked. But, Melania is married to a U.S. citizen. Baron was born in the territories of the U.S. to an American father. I’ve never looked to see if Melania has dual citizenship or not.

The EO only applied to those who were born after the date I listed (2/19/2025) to those in the U.S. temporarily, illegally, and/or without a parent being a U.S. citizen.

It was an attempt to discourage/stop ‘anchor babies’ and birth tourism that people use to get the generous U.S. benefits.

This EO had nothing to do with deportations. But, if upheld, it could really help our illegal immigration problem for the long term because it would stop a major draw. Then, legal migration could be more manageable as the system wouldn’t be as overwhelmed.

Also—right now—someone could theoretically be a member of the CCCP, us not know, fly into the U.S. for a 3 week vacation, have a baby while here, that baby be a U.S. citizen, fly back & live their life in China until they’re 30, come back and run for POTUS. You’d have 14 years to decide if they were still ingratiated to the Chinese Communist Party even though that’s the system they were raised in.

That’s how silly the current interpretation is…

Real life Manchurian Candidate.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

I haven’t looked. But, Melania is married to a U.S. citizen. Baron was born in the territories of the U.S. to an American father. I’ve never looked to see if Melania has dual citizenship or not.

The EO only applied to those who were born after the date I listed (2/19/2025) to those in the U.S. temporarily, illegally, and/or without a parent being a U.S. citizen.

It was an attempt to discourage/stop ‘anchor babies’ and birth tourism that people use to get the generous U.S. benefits.

This EO had nothing to do with deportations. But, if upheld, it could really help our illegal immigration problem for the long term because it would stop a major draw. Then, legal migration could be more manageable as the system wouldn’t be as overwhelmed.

Also—right now—someone could theoretically be a member of the CCCP, us not know, fly into the U.S. for a 3 week vacation, have a baby while here, that baby be a U.S. citizen, fly back & live their life in China until they’re 30, come back and run for POTUS. You’d have 14 years to decide if they were still ingratiated to the Chinese Communist Party even though that’s the system they were raised in.

That’s how silly the current interpretation is…

Real life Manchurian Candidate.

Are we ok with gaining citizenship by marrying an U.S citizen? Where's the line drawn? I honestly have seen many illegals do this to gain access here..

Baron I would consider a "anchor baby"

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

Are we ok with gaining citizenship by marrying an U.S citizen? Where's the line drawn? I honestly have seen many illegals do this to gain access here..

Baron I would consider a "anchor baby"

Baron’s father is already a natural citizen. So, he wouldn’t be an anchor baby. An anchor baby is when neither parent is American.

As far as citizenship by marriage, I think it’s okay. Many servicemen/women marry while on duty away. Since they’re not natural born, they can’t ever be POTUS. Also, depending on their spouses rate, they’ve gone through a security clearance.

More security checks than Swalwell & his Chinese lady friends, and he’s on the House Intelligence panel and gets access to all kinds of stuff. Fang was a friggin’ Chinese spy for goodness sake.

To answer about the total amount of citizenships granted via marriage, I know the number is very low comparatively. I don’t know the exact numbers. But, nothing like the anchor baby situation with two illegal parents. Also, in that case, at least one parent would presumably be paying into the system.

Honest question: Didn’t y’all go over this stuff in Government in high school? I know we did back in the ‘70’s.

[LumRaiderFan]

2 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Baron’s father is already a natural citizen. So, he wouldn’t be an anchor baby. An anchor baby is when neither parent is American.

As far as citizenship by marriage, I think it’s okay. Many servicemen/women marry while on duty away. Since they’re not natural born, they can’t ever be POTUS. Also, depending on their spouses rate, they’ve gone through a security clearance.

More security checks than Swalwell & his Chinese lady friends, and he’s on the House Intelligence panel and gets access to all kinds of stuff. Fang was a friggin’ Chinese spy for goodness sake.

To answer about the total amount of citizenships granted via marriage, I know the number is very low comparatively. I don’t know the exact numbers. But, nothing like the anchor baby situation with two illegal parents. Also, in that case, at least one parent would presumably be paying into the system.

Honest question: Didn’t y’all go over this stuff in Government in high school? I know we did back in the ‘70’s.

Great question!

[tvc184]

7 hours ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

Are we ok with gaining citizenship by marrying an U.S citizen? Where's the line drawn? I honestly have seen many illegals do this to gain access here..

Baron I would consider a "anchor baby"

The line according to the Constitution is drawn by Congress as stated by Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. Congress sets the laws on naturalization.   

I don’t feel like looking up current law but by law passed by Congress, even if born overseas to at least one American parent who is currently living in the US then I believe a child is a US citizen at birth but it has to be reported to the US embassy or consulate. 

The term anchor baby is about a child born on US soil to people who entered the country illegally. The anchor referd to a parent who unlawfully entered the country but is lawfully trying to stay due to the child being a US citizen. That is the “anchor”. As in, I am anchored to the US now because my child is a citizen.

Baron Trump was born on US soil to an American parent married to an alien lawfully in this country. There was no anchor needed. He was a citizen at birth by US law and the Constitution. The premise is ridiculous. 

[Boyz N Da Hood]

11 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Baron’s father is already a natural citizen. So, he wouldn’t be an anchor baby. An anchor baby is when neither parent is American.

As far as citizenship by marriage, I think it’s okay. Many servicemen/women marry while on duty away. Since they’re not natural born, they can’t ever be POTUS. Also, depending on their spouses rate, they’ve gone through a security clearance.

More security checks than Swalwell & his Chinese lady friends, and he’s on the House Intelligence panel and gets access to all kinds of stuff. Fang was a friggin’ Chinese spy for goodness sake.

To answer about the total amount of citizenships granted via marriage, I know the number is very low comparatively. I don’t know the exact numbers. But, nothing like the anchor baby situation with two illegal parents. Also, in that case, at least one parent would presumably be paying into the system.

Honest question: Didn’t y’all go over this stuff in Government in high school? I know we did back in the ‘70’s.

Im pretty sure we did, if you wanna know how i feel, schools go over alot of things that are useless in life... this being one of em, I'll make it clear and ppl can take it how they want. I dont pay much attention nor care about immigration. I know many illegals who come to provide a better life for their family and i know there are alot of bad ppl that will come. I dont have the needs to make this a issue in my life. Ima still take my azz to work everyday and provide for my family. Immigration may be lower, these numbers touted by this administration are all lies...! Self deporting? Pshhh yeah right 

They dont say how many illegals are still entering just how many they supposedly deported and got rid of... locked up or whatever.. do u really expect them too? Geez let me get this right, the current administration is claiming victory on #'s etc! Aren't they supposed to? It's their name on the line. Didnt they claim not long ago ZERO crossings for a month? Lies 

[Boyz N Da Hood]

11 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Baron’s father is already a natural citizen. So, he wouldn’t be an anchor baby. An anchor baby is when neither parent is American.

As far as citizenship by marriage, I think it’s okay. Many servicemen/women marry while on duty away. Since they’re not natural born, they can’t ever be POTUS. Also, depending on their spouses rate, they’ve gone through a security clearance.

More security checks than Swalwell & his Chinese lady friends, and he’s on the House Intelligence panel and gets access to all kinds of stuff. Fang was a friggin’ Chinese spy for goodness sake.

To answer about the total amount of citizenships granted via marriage, I know the number is very low comparatively. I don’t know the exact numbers. But, nothing like the anchor baby situation with two illegal parents. Also, in that case, at least one parent would presumably be paying into the system.

Honest question: Didn’t y’all go over this stuff in Government in high school? I know we did back in the ‘70’s.

Long story short. Needs to be change.. but for me a illegal never crossed me and held me back from anything..

Almost like the gun situation IMO, It aint the gun its the individual.. all races have bad ppl, no matter illegal or not they gone do what they want and once deported come.back over... and a certain party will hire them for cheap labor and the other party will buy their vote.. its a 2 party issue, only one side acts like they're doing something about it... truth is these ppl.come and do the work legal U.S. citizens wont do cuz they lazy and aren't paid enuff..  JMO

Let the attacks begin, ill check back in a few hours gotta go chase the dollar

Happy Friday everyone

[thetragichippy]

2 hours ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

Long story short. Needs to be change.. but for me a illegal never crossed me and held me back from anything..

Almost like the gun situation IMO, It aint the gun its the individual.. all races have bad ppl, no matter illegal or not they gone do what they want and once deported come.back over... and a certain party will hire them for cheap labor and the other party will buy their vote.. its a 2 party issue, only one side acts like they're doing something about it... truth is these ppl.come and do the work legal U.S. citizens wont do cuz they lazy and aren't paid enuff..  JMO

Let the attacks begin, ill check back in a few hours gotta go chase the dollar

Happy Friday everyone

I agree with you on everything I made bold.

Here is what I may disagree on in the name of fairness.  I think anyone coming into the USA illegally should be sent back and never get to return. My reasoning......it only took 19 bad people to kill 2977 people on 9/11.  

As for your gun stance, I totally agree - besides, if I want to kill someone, if I can't get a gun, I'll find something else....

[OlDawg]

A clear picture of the fiscal cost of immigrants is particularly important, given the ongoing border crisis. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the border surge will number 8.7 million unlawful immigrants between 2021 and 2026. The original analysis in this report finds that the border crisis will cost an estimated $1.15 trillion over the lifetime of the new unlawful immigrants—a cost larger than the entire U.S. defense budget and almost equal to the cost of Social Security in 2023.

This report quantifies the fiscal impact of common immigration reform proposals:

• Mass deportations would significantly reduce the national debt over the long run, but a policy of selective legalization, coupled with mass deportations, would be even more fiscally beneficial, reducing the debt by about $1.9 trillion.
• Given the education, age, and earnings of H-1B visa recipients, doubling the number of H-1B visas for just one year would reduce the budget deficit by $70 billion over the long run—and by another $70 billion each year thereafter.
• The most beneficial immigration policy change would be to exempt STEM graduate degree holders from green-card caps, increasing immigration by some 15,000 people per year and reducing the visa backlog; this would reduce the deficit by $150 billion in the first year and $25 billion each year thereafter.
• Eliminating refugee resettlement and permanent immigration by parents of U.S. citizens would reduce the debt by a combined $40 billion in net present value every year.
• Congress could upskill the existing immigration flow by eliminating the diversity visa category and increasing the visas available to the top employment-based categories, and requiring immigrants to have earned a high school diploma to be eligible for a family visa, reducing the national debt by over $60 billion per year.

By enacting a selectionist immigration policy—which requires securing the border from unlawful immigration, reducing low-skilled immigration, and expanding high-skilled immigration—the U.S. could reduce future federal debt by trillions of dollars over the long run. This report proposes a legislative package that provides over $2 trillion in net present value during the first year and over $200 billion each subsequent year, without accounting for the additional productivity growth resulting from high-skilled immigration. Furthermore, under these reforms, the annual number of immigrants who are new permanent residents decreases by about 15% after a temporary legalization program and a partial clearing of the employment-based visa backlog. Over the long term, annual legal immigration decreases under this plan from approximately 1 million in FY 2019 to approximately 860,000.

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[baddog]

The worst reason to do nothing about illegals is to say they never affected me. I have also never had to deal with a murderer, armed robber, my wife and children have never been molested….yada yada….get the picture? Leave me alone and let the world take care of itself is a terrible outlook, and nothing would ever get done.

[Big girl]

18 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Baron’s father is already a natural citizen. So, he wouldn’t be an anchor baby. An anchor baby is when neither parent is American.

As far as citizenship by marriage, I think it’s okay. Many servicemen/women marry while on duty away. Since they’re not natural born, they can’t ever be POTUS. Also, depending on their spouses rate, they’ve gone through a security clearance.

More security checks than Swalwell & his Chinese lady friends, and he’s on the House Intelligence panel and gets access to all kinds of stuff. Fang was a friggin’ Chinese spy for goodness sake.

To answer about the total amount of citizenships granted via marriage, I know the number is very low comparatively. I don’t know the exact numbers. But, nothing like the anchor baby situation with two illegal parents. Also, in that case, at least one parent would presumably be paying into the system.

Honest question: Didn’t y’all go over this stuff in Government in high school? I know we did back in the ‘70’s.

Wasnt Trump's dad an anchor baby?

[CardinalBacker]

3 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

I agree with you on everything I made bold.

Here is what I may disagree on in the name of fairness.  I think anyone coming into the USA illegally should be sent back and never get to return. My reasoning......it only took 19 bad people to kill 2977 people on 9/11.  

As for your gun stance, I totally agree - besides, if I want to kill someone, if I can't get a gun, I'll find something else....

But those 19 were here (or at least came here) legally. 

[OlDawg]

36 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Wasnt Trump's dad an anchor baby?

No. Frederick Trump was born in New York City in 1905 to Trump’s grandfather who was recognized as a U.S. citizen around 1892.

 

[CardinalBacker]

I don’t know of any other country that has a policy like ours…. “If you’re born here, you and your family can stay.”

To understand the 14th, you have to remember that the US had a labor shortage based on the end of slavery. We encouraged people to come here and fill our demand for cheap labor.  A simple promise of “come here… you’ll have a chance to carve out a good life for yourself-the possibilities are endless” was all that was promised. 
 

In 2025, the promise is free housing, free food, a free education, free health care. It’s a “free ride” for immigrants that is hardly free for the American taxpayers. 
 

If your wife drops a kid while you’re taking a late-gestation vacation in Mexico, guess what?  You’d better get your yankee butts back to America, because you can’t stay there, and you dang sure don’t get benefits. 

[OlDawg]

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[Reagan]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

I don’t know of any other country that has a policy like ours…. “If you’re born here, you and your family can stay.”

To understand the 14th, you have to remember that the US had a labor shortage based on the end of slavery. We encouraged people to come here and fill our demand for cheap labor.  A simple promise of “come here… you’ll have a chance to carve out a good life for yourself-the possibilities are endless” was all that was promised. 
 

In 2025, the promise is free housing, free food, a free education, free health care. It’s a “free ride” for immigrants that is hardly free for the American taxpayers. 
 

If your wife drops a kid while you’re taking a late-gestation vacation in Mexico, guess what?  You’d better get your yankee butts back to America, because you can’t stay there, and you dang sure don’t get benefits. 

It's not that long of a clip.  Listen to the end and you'll be surprised.  

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

But those 19 were here (or at least came here) legally. 

You are probably correct, I have not researched, but I don't believe we were vetting then like we do now.  After the Patriot Act, things got pretty tight