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[pine curtain]

4 hours ago, Setx fan said:

Understood. Most people around town who know him don't believe he intentionally wanted to harm the kids. He's just a guy who's passionate about the game and the program and kids and values toughness because that's what was taught to him in the program. He just went too far this time and I don't think he was aware of the harm it was causing the kids at the time. Lot of folks will say he "should've known" and I don't disagree with that but we've all probably had moments where we weren't aware of things we "should've known". 

Saw where they are trying to file felony charges on him.

[Setx fan]

27 minutes ago, pine curtain said:

Saw where they are trying to file felony charges on him.

I don't see how that would go far if he didn't personally inflict injuries on them. From what I hear it was an optional workout and some kids opted out with no consequences. 

[wo-s#1]

1 hour ago, Setx fan said:

I don't see how that would go far if he didn't personally inflict injuries on them. From what I hear it was an optional workout and some kids opted out with no consequences. 

How old the kids were is gonna be a big issue,if they were high school then I could see “opting out…not elementary kids 

[Setx fan]

3 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

How old the kids were is gonna be a big issue,if they were high school then I could see “opting out…not elementary kids 

They were 11-12 year olds. Not anywhere near adults yet but I would think old enough to forfeit an activity causing bodily harm. I would think they would have a better idea if the ground was burning the skin off their hand than he did. 

[pine curtain]

2 hours ago, Setx fan said:

I don't see how that would go far if he didn't personally inflict injuries on them. From what I hear it was an optional workout and some kids opted out with no consequences. 

this is from the news article: "It's a complete disregard for common sense," McCulley tells KFDM. "12 to 14 parents have raised complaints. These are burns. We'll try to determine the average temperature of the track. We're gathering facts, medical information, taking statements. We understand one coach objected to what was happening. We'd like to talk with both coaches. The information is coming in fast. We expect to meet with District Attorney Lucas Babin as early as Wednesday. He would decide whether to take it to a grand jury for possible criminal charges."

 

[Setx fan]

46 minutes ago, pine curtain said:

this is from the news article: "It's a complete disregard for common sense," McCulley tells KFDM. "12 to 14 parents have raised complaints. These are burns. We'll try to determine the average temperature of the track. We're gathering facts, medical information, taking statements. We understand one coach objected to what was happening. We'd like to talk with both coaches. The information is coming in fast. We expect to meet with District Attorney Lucas Babin as early as Wednesday. He would decide whether to take it to a grand jury for possible criminal charges."

 

What exactly would they charge him with? 

[89Falcon]

4 hours ago, Setx fan said:

What exactly would they charge him with? 

“Child Endangerment” would be one potential charge.

[dayton]

People coach/teach the way that they were coached/taught. You see this all the time. The hope is that nothing bad happens while they're hopefully learning. Coaches have to swallow some pride and study up on what actually gets kids better and weed through the nonsense. For example, doing bear crawls to exhaustion/injury, or doing work simply because it's hard and will make kids really tired. 

[Setx fan]

4 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

“Child Endangerment” would be one potential charge.

I think it would have to be intentional to be considered child endangerment. It's gone be hard to stick someone with child endangerment for allowing them to participate in an exercise that's been a part of school activities for decades. He could possibly lose his license or never be allowed to coach again just for being seen as unfit or unresponsible but I doubt they can stick him with child endangerment

[2wedge]

10 hours ago, pine curtain said:

this is from the news article: "It's a complete disregard for common sense," McCulley tells KFDM. "12 to 14 parents have raised complaints. These are burns. We'll try to determine the average temperature of the track. We're gathering facts, medical information, taking statements. We understand one coach objected to what was happening. We'd like to talk with both coaches. The information is coming in fast. We expect to meet with District Attorney Lucas Babin as early as Wednesday. He would decide whether to take it to a grand jury for possible criminal charges."

 

Assuming this guy is kin to the QB Babin. Curious how that plays out within the situation. 

[Goslin]

12 hours ago, wo-s#1 said:

How old the kids were is gonna be a big issue,if they were high school then I could see “opting out…not elementary kids 

They were 6th graders in the last week of school so average age of 12.  They were also in the “Preathletics” program rather than a regular PE class so they all intend to participate in athletics in 7th grade and I’m assuming a lot of them for 🏈 which would explain why the kids would push themselves that hard.  This guy is a former local HS football stud and one of their football coaches and with summer Strength&Conditioning coming up and then 7th grade ball once school starts I’m sure these kids were telling themselves they had to do it to stay on Coach’s good side for playing time, roster spots, etc.

[89Falcon]

1 hour ago, Setx fan said:

I think it would have to be intentional to be considered child endangerment. It's gone be hard to stick someone with child endangerment for allowing them to participate in an exercise that's been a part of school activities for decades. He could possibly lose his license or never be allowed to coach again just for being seen as unfit or unresponsible but I doubt they can stick him with child endangerment

Who instructed the kids to do the activity? That will be key to the charges. Placing the child in a place of danger knowingly, through negligence or omission would qualify. I don’t have direct details and don’t want to try the case here.

Will have to let the officials determine the facts.

[Setx fan]

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

Who instructed the kids to do the activity? That will be key to the charges. Placing the child in a place of danger knowingly, through negligence or omission would qualify. I don’t have direct details and don’t want to try the case here.

Will have to let the officials determine the facts.

"Knowingly" is the key word there and from what I hear they were given 2 choices and they chose bear crawls. Some decided they didn't want to do the bear crawls and they weren't forced to do so. Those who said they wanted to complete the activity were encouraged to do so. Was it intelligent to encourage kids who wanted to bear crawl on a hot track? Absolutely not. But was it criminal? Only if he was aware of the harm it could do or was doing. I doubt he understood the severity of the situation. 

[89Falcon]

25 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

"Knowingly" is the key word there and from what I hear they were given 2 choices and they chose bear crawls. Some decided they didn't want to do the bear crawls and they weren't forced to do so. Those who said they wanted to complete the activity were encouraged to do so. Was it intelligent to encourage kids who wanted to bear crawl on a hot track? Absolutely not. But was it criminal? Only if he was aware of the harm it could do or was doing. I doubt he understood the severity of the situation. 

“Negligence” and “omission” are also qualifiers. The big factor is that the coach instructed kids. Whether or not the 6th graders had an option to participate in the drill is irrelevant. The coach is in the position of authority and the kids are 6th graders. As a result of the drill that the Coach led there were multiple kids injured and had to seek medical treatment. 

[wo-s#1]

1 minute ago, 89Falcon said:

“Negligence” and “omission” are also qualifiers. 

As he stated above,understanding the severity of a situation “or not in this case is a huge issue being a coach/mentor or really just an adult in charge 

[wo-s#1]

2 hours ago, Goslin said:

They were 6th graders in the last week of school so average age of 12.  They were also in the “Preathletics” program rather than a regular PE class so they all intend to participate in athletics in 7th grade and I’m assuming a lot of them for 🏈 which would explain why the kids would push themselves that hard.  This guy is a former local HS football stud and one of their football coaches and with summer Strength&Conditioning coming up and then 7th grade ball once school starts I’m sure these kids were telling themselves they had to do it to stay on Coach’s good side for playing time, roster spots, etc.

Ok

[89Falcon]

9 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

As he stated above,understanding the severity of a situation “or not in this case is a huge issue being a coach/mentor or really just an adult in charge 

In reading the statute the coach appears to have some exposure. There is a clause regarding athletic activities that can release liability but it appears the coach mishandled that part as well, particularly since he initiated the drill. I think I read somewhere that another coach advised to not do the activity.

[Setx fan]

30 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

“Negligence” and “omission” are also qualifiers. The big factor is that the coach instructed kids. Whether or not the 6th graders had an option to participate in the drill is irrelevant. The coach is in the position of authority and the kids are 6th graders. As a result of the drill that the Coach led there were multiple kids injured and had to seek medical treatment. 

There are multiple incidents where kids are injured during a drill initiated by a coach. Doesn't always result in criminal charges against the coach. This is a first year coach who's mentor left for another job. You have to consider there's a chance he might not have been aware of some things he probably should be aware of. A huge mistake doesn't necessarily make him a criminal. 

[89Falcon]

5 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

There are multiple incidents where kids are injured during a drill initiated by a coach. Doesn't always result in criminal charges against the coach. This is a first year coach who's mentor left for another job. You have to consider there's a chance he might not have been aware of some things he probably should be aware of. A huge mistake doesn't necessarily make him a criminal. 

I have not said he is a criminal. It appears he has an issue based upon the statute. There is nothing in the statute about “years of experience” or “where your mentor is”. 
 

We will soon know what the DA thinks.

[89Falcon]

25 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

There are multiple incidents where kids are injured during a drill initiated by a coach. Doesn't always result in criminal charges against the coach. This is a first year coach who's mentor left for another job. You have to consider there's a chance he might not have been aware of some things he probably should be aware of. A huge mistake doesn't necessarily make him a criminal. 

Also, there are not many incidents where a single drill sends many 6th graders to the medical facility. 

[Setx fan]

2 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

Also, there are not many incidents where a single drill sends many 6th graders to the medical facility. 

I've seen many incidents happen with 6th graders during workouts, in the weight room etc. Theyre 6th graders so most of them don't know how to do things properly. Mix that with a first year coach and there's a real good chance for some accidents

[89Falcon]

14 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

I've seen many incidents happen with 6th graders during workouts, in the weight room etc. Theyre 6th graders so most of them don't know how to do things properly. Mix that with a first year coach and there's a real good chance for some accidents

You saw incidents from a single 6th grade workout where several kids went to the ER? That is common? 
 

[Setx fan]

8 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

You saw incidents from a single 6th grade workout where several kids went to the ER? That is common? 
 

Never seen a workout where several 6th graders had to go to the ER but I've seen incidents where several probably should have. Back then you probably only went if you lost fingers or toes 

[89Falcon]

6 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

Never seen a workout where several 6th graders had to go to the ER but I've seen incidents where several probably should have. Back then you probably only went if you lost fingers or toes 

Got it, so this is a unique situation. Doesn’t look good for the coach. 
 

Pretty low hanging fruit for lawsuits as well. 

[pine curtain]

4 hours ago, 2wedge said:

Assuming this guy is kin to the QB Babin. Curious how that plays out within the situation. 

Oh you noticed that........

He is the father of the QB