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JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE STILL ON FOR SATURDAY!! I'm going to ask TVC to make a large sign to hold up at the boat ramp. ;D ;D Actually, everyone look for my boat. It's a white BayHawk center console with a 200HP Evinrude. Sounds more like we should be running the north end of Lake Sabine looking for birds. ;D

Tell that to George Steinbrenner and the Yankees.

I still plan on being there in hippie's boat.

Yeah, I can see your point. It would really look bad when we win yet you fish there weekly. ;D

Are we going to have enough boats to fish?

There not.......besides a police officer can use reasonable force to secure a suspect. What is reasonable force to a guy on PCP? You got part of what I was going to say. NEWFLASH: The police are allowed to use force against people that are resisting arrest, even an unlawful arrest. I've been in many fights while taking people into custody. Hitting people with the hands, feet or baton is not the illegal use of force. Every fight looks brutal. How do you fight someone and make it look like a ballet? The issue in this case as in all cases, was the force reasonable under the circumstances. Looking at the autopsy results, I don't see anywhere that injuries are consistent with a "beating". If they hit him, so what? I would have been hitting him also if he was resisting. People that are on the outside looking at someone getting hit always claim that someone was beaten. Add to the fact there there was more than one officer, it always looks bad. Here is another newsflash, the police don't have to fight fair. If there is one guy resisting arrest, the police don't need to send in one guy at a time. This is not television wrestling where points are score and there are rules. It is called, getting the guy in handcuffs. Now if the police overstepped the bounds of being reasonable like if they hit him and he was not fleeing or resisting or if they continued to hit him after he was subdued, then they were wrong. Nothing from the autopsy indicates that. Maybe these "witnesses" saw something different than what was discovered during the autopsy. Knowing about such witnesses in a fatal police shooting, I have seen that some people can talk a good story but when asked to put their story on paper under oath for the police or the FBI (and risk perjury or obstruction of justice charges), they seem to fade away. Rather than hide any witnesses, they need to step forward and be heard. Any takers on odds of that happening?

More like pretty stupid. I've seen a lot worse videos on tape and this one only lasted a few seconds. It was like they were preprogrammed to hit the guy. No one checked if he was actually resisting for a few seconds. Idiots.

The adrenaline effect of the chase. Got to watch the pursuit mentality. The sirens screaming and the close calls with other traffic get the adrenaline pumping pretty hard. People get hit on pursuits where they would not be in almost the exact same situations but without the chase.

Failed to mention a small part of it huh? Where is the video?

I look at it like this. Every man is someone's son. Every woman is someone's daughter. Most of the time (but not always) if something tragic happens, it is heartbreaking to the family. No matter the cause, it is still a terrible thing. Is it upsetting to the family? Most of the time the answer is yes. Surely the person's stupidity may have caused his own death and maybe the person was not a productive member of society (and may in fact have been a burden) but the family still grieves. So let's get that out of the way, we all know that it is tragic and some of us on this board may have a friend or family member that has met an untimely death due to his/her own decisions. Most of the time, people make their own course in life. Many times, the course dictates how you will be seen by others and sometimes, how you will meet your end. People that are outside of the circle of family or friends might not see the pain but we know that it exists. While it is easy to feel sympathy for the family left behind, it is not so easy to feel sympathy for the person that made his own bed. Think of a person is shot and killed by the police while he is holding a hostage or worse, after he has killed a hostage. Does his family still grieve? Surely in most cases. That doesn't mean that he public will have much empathy in the dead guy's demise. In fact, many members of the public may revel in the fact that the guy that committed murder, has met his own such fate. I don't see how it is rude or crude to feel that way. Look at the people in the news each year that are caught after kidnapping, raping and killing a child. Do we feel like we can't talk about him because he was someone's son or that we shouldn't ridicule the person for such stupid decisions because he had a family? Are we not happy (most of us) when such people get the death sentence? Yes, the person probably has family. Yes, they probably feel terrible about him being executed. That doesn't mean that the public shouldn't talk about it or feel good at the ultimate end. So if a guy goes out and does drugs and causes his own death, so be it. If I go nuts next week and rob a bank and the police shoot and kill me, then I got what I had coming. My parents might be devastated at the news but many people will say that it saved the taxpayers money and I got what I deserved..... and they would be correct. ....and I really don't think my parents would be reading bulletin boards and forums to see what other people felt like.

That makes a lot more sense for both schools rather than Lufkin. Good change.

Well, I was 2/3's right.

IH10 to Beltway 8, north to IH45, west on 105 out of Conroe. If you don't get caught in rush hour traffic on the beltway, it should go fairly quickly.

I think that you are correct but it depends on how someone defines "Top Job". It is the winningest program or a well funded programs with good facilities, good pay scale for the head coach and community support? While some schools like Newton have a great tradition, how many top coaches in the state are going to beat down Newton's door when the job comes open? Some smaller school coaches looking to move up or an assistant looking for his first head coaching job are likelihoods. PNG has been not bad lately but not great either but look what they can bring in for applications when a job opening comes up. I think that the community, facilities and money have more to do with what a head coach is looking for rather than a winning past.

I've said it before and I will stick with it. Anyone that believes that Obama is not going to increase taxes dramatically on the middle class also believes that Elvis is alive and the moon is made of green cheese.... but it won't be on income taxes, just as he promised. The middle class keeps Coca Cola, Marlboro, Exxon-Mobile and Domino's Pizza in business. Does Bill Gates care if colas go up 15cents a can? Does he buy many anyway? Does Al Gore care if his SUV costs another $20 to fill it up and does that $20 deplete his weekly income? Will Obama care if pizzas go up $2 each in delivery charges? I doubt that with his personal chef, he is sending out for a late night Papa John's deluxe. There is no way to increase the USA budget spending by $1.5 trillion dollars and not raise taxes on everyone. So who is it going to hurt the most? So what if Bill Gates pays 60% of his income in taxes? He will only make $400,000,000 a year instead of an even billion? Wow, bet that hurts him to only make $400 million after taxes. Yep, we will get change. The blind foolishly believe that with the passing of his mighty hand, Obama will make the rich as common people and the poor will rise out of the projects and take their rightful place in society. .... and I have that land to sell at the beach, just as soon as the tide goes out.

Apparently Tasers and PCP don't mix well.

I believe in the case with the steroids, it was a rumor and rumors are not allowed about players, coaches, etc. Once it hit the news and the police went public with the names, it was allowed.

..... but apparently can't play golf.

$$$$$$$$ The insurance game. It is better to pay $10,000 in hush money than to spend $40,000 proving your innocence. Lawsuits can take many thousands of dollars simply in the preliminary stages before anything ever gets close to a courtroom. By the time you pay attorney fees, private investigator fees, legal processes and the hours spent in depositions, it can run into quite a tab. So a lawyer or firm will file a suit, ask for a large amount of money (or undetermined) and make the defendant risk losing six figures or more, let's say a request for $500,000 in damages and lost wages, etc. Obviously the city won't roll over and pay that. Now to fight it and prove no responsibility (or even potentially lose, no matter the facts) it might take the example of $40,000 in legal fees. Why not simply settle out of court for a fraction of the original lawsuit, maybe $10,000 or up to $30,000? The city and their insurance (who will have a huge bearing on the litigation since they will be paying probably at least half) would rather make the financial decision of paying less than it would cost to defend their actions. They could "win" a lawsuit for $40,000 in legal fees or pay a lesser amount and claim no responsibility. That is the lawsuit and insurance game. Make it so expensive to win that it is better to pay a ransom of a lesser amount. I am sure that some deal will be worked out where a lawsuit will be filed, the lawyers behind the scenes will work out a deal and the family will get some much smaller sum of money. They will claim victory and vindication and the city will save the taxpayers money by settling for less than it would cost to win.

I believe that eventually you will simply from the continued outcry from "victims". The Taser is a pain compliance defense tool. It is the same as OC (pepper) spray and a baton. People in custody have died from those applications of pain also and some in just fighting with the police with no weapons used. Apparently when the heart is stressed due to some kinds of intoxication, added stress can push it over the edge. There was the case of Nathaniel Jones in Cincinnati a few years ago. The guy was overweight and had taken PCP and cocaine. During a fight with the police, he died. The police used Pepper Spray on him and the autopsy stated that the stress of the fight and the spray caused his death. Also from that autopsy, it said that Jones had several "lethal" health problems and that the "struggle" caused his death. It was not that he was beaten to death and not that OC spray is lethal in itself but simply that a person that was overweight like Jones was and taking some potentially lethal drugs, the fight pushed him over the edge. The activists in the area blamed the OC spray. They demanded that the police buy Tasers in order to quickly subdue a person fighting and get away from the long lasting effects of the OC. Taser pain goes away immediately (I've been shocked with it three times). In that case, the OC was made to be the culprit. So while I would not be shocked to think that Tasers will eventually be regulated as some kind of deadly force, I don't see how it will help. Remember, a Taser is an alternative to deadly force. If you place a Taser in the same category of a pistol (which making it deadly force would do) then what would be the point of using a Taser and simply opt for the pistol instead? Tasers have saved many lives and very many injuries to both citizens and the police. I am sure that it will eventually be taken away and we will mainly go back to baton strikes to subdue people. I guess they will feel that is progress.

What I find that is interesting is his mother's comments in the Beaumont Enterprise. She is quoted as saying that she doesn't care what was in his body, it didn't cause his death and only the cops did. That shows her entire intent in this process. No matter the medical facts, no matter the circumstances, no matter what actually happened.... only that the cops can be shown to be at fault and that nothing that her son did could have contributed to his own death. It looks to me as if a person died entirely of his own actions and the family is attempting to take his self induced accidental death and trying to turn him into a martyr at the expense of the police and to the monetary benefit of the family.

And the next generation will be the gr-gr-grandfather...then the next will be the gr-gr-gr-grandfather, then the next...... No matter how many generations you look at (and it has been about 7 generations or almost 150 years ago), when do you move on? 200 years? 300?

Everytime that I have fished a bass tournament it was a two man team and two people maximum per boat. It is a team stringer.

Due to demographics, I don't think you will hear anyone claim that 90% of LaMarque are racists.