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Deer season starts Saturday morning and those country boys want to get a head start on getting to the deer lease early Friday.

And I only have one doe for bow season. Hopefully back this week coming up before open season starts.

[quote name="KFDM COOP" post="692337" timestamp="1257001885"] I predicted PN-G to win District!! [/quote] Going out on a limb huh Coop?  :D

[quote name="Bucof2010" post="692190" timestamp="1256990823"] With the new laws we get 1 cull buck of any size? [/quote] Not in an AR county.

[quote name="liltex" post="690059" timestamp="1256871790"] I was once a bowhunter and put an arrow in the lungs of a monster buck that I allowed 30 min.to start following the blood trail and never found him after another day of searching.I now hunt in a thicket w/Benelli 12 ga.3 1/2 in.mag.copper plated 00 buck and they don't go far w/head shot.As for the horn restrictions they suck.Example my biggest buck killed out of Burkeville a few years ago was a 8 point that had a 12''spread.That deer field dressed 145 lbs and was the heaviest taken in yrs.on that lease.Deer around the Nagcodoches area are big bodied sm.rack deer.[/quote] I was bowhunting in south Texas this last weekend when a 17 year old from Bridge City shot and killed a 6.5 year old buck that weighed in at just under 200 pounds. The buck would not have made the antler restrictions. The reason they don't have restrictions is because they aren't known for killing 1.5 year old deer or fawns. The AR's aren't perfect but the hunters brought it on themselves. When I was in high school we had no limit in either possession or size for speckled trout either. We would go out to catch and keep over 100 of them 10" long. I never knew that specks got over 14". Now I wouldn't think of keeping a 14" speck even if it was legal. I think it will be the same with the deer if they get more than 2.5 years old. If someone wants to kill everything that moves, get into the MLD program and you can eventually take any deer that you want as long as the quotas are met and you can do it over a 5 month period with guns. [quote]With the heavy logging of hardwood timber the deer are in poor condition as the few acorns are being devoured by the huge population of wild hogs.Rita/Ike took down hundreds of thousands of oak trees to add to the raping of our forests.The sportsmen of Texas are directly responsible somewhat for the health and well being of the deer population w/plots and feeders and thats the truth.The majority are skilled,patient hunters in SETX.It's the wanna be big city hunters that figure they paid for the right to kill anything that moves.Hunter deaths prove that every year. [/quote] I think that a vast majority of people that are killing baby deer are native to the se Texas Piney Woods. The people that are killing every deer that they see aren't from the big cities. They are hunting in west and south Texas where the mature deer are.

Nope. When you made the statement that "3 years and your minds will be changed", I figured that you were thinking that in 3 years the deer would finally be bigger with the new restrictions. I was agreeing with your statement by saying that I believe in it now and won't have to wait. So have I missed your intent?

Let's see, you are averaging just over 9 posts per day. Coop is averaging 44 per day. Assuming that you can kick your post count up to about 75 per day and he maintains his current posting, you should be able to catch him in just short of 5 years. Good luck. ;D if i didnt have a job i could do it. If I had a few million dollars in the bank I wouldn't be working 50 hours a week either. ;D

Not my mind. We went to managing our lease informally (not through the state or an owner) about 4 years ago by only killing 3.5 and older bucks and shooting lots of does. We are not seeing very large bucks and some in the 140 class. Last year our biggest taken with a rifle was 138 inches. Nope, I won't be surprised. Yes but now everyone will be doing it Yep. The antler restrictions were started several years ago in the coastal plains counties where they have notoriously small deer. I think it was started with 8 couties. As you can imagine, there were huge protests. Within about three years, the naysayers were shocked at the growth of the deer. It wasn't the area or the forage they had but the fact that almost none lived more than 1.5 years. Some of the people that protested where now proponents. Then it expanded a few counties but still in the corridor from around Corpus Christi toward San Antonio (just north of the famed Texas brush country or the Golden Triangle of deer hunting). Then it moved to east Texas and has been slowly expanding. Once I found out about the program and its success in south central Texas, I was hoping that it would come our way. It took a few years but it has finally arrived. I just hope that a majority of the people try to stay within the law and let it work. Again, it is not a perfect solution but I can't believe anything other than it will help.

Not my mind. We went to managing our lease informally (not through the state or an owner) about 4 years ago by only killing 3.5 and older bucks and shooting lots of does. We are not seeing very large bucks and some in the 140 class. Last year our biggest taken with a rifle was 138 inches. Nope, I won't be surprised.

What does the meat of a trophy deer taste like? 95% will tell you they would rather have beef, which is much easier to come by. I personally believe that is an incorrect statement. I think that it is more like 98.5%. And to your intent in rebuttal of bassman, anyone that shoot a deer "for meat" is in a losing proposition unless he is shooting it out the back door of his home. Out of the billions spent by deer hunters in Texas each year, it isn't in order to get backstraps or ground meat.

Probably about the same as bones. What does it matter?

So you are suggesting that the Enterprise should only cover something inside of Beaumont?

I have no clue if any crimes have been committed or if any has even been suggested. In fact, I haven't responded to this particular situation at all except on points of the law. My response only dealt with how age laws are different according to what you are talking about. An example is your suggestion that since he is a student, doesn't it mean that he is a minor. The answer to that is yes or no, according to which law you are discussing. The school board can't define an adult as they see fit. They are governed by the Texas Education Code.

You are correct about this happening because he is a good player. Is that shocking or unexpected? There are hundreds of arrest a week in the Golden Triangle area and lots of them felonies. I don't see a lot of them being discussed. Let one of the people be the mayor of a city or a school board president and watch the words start flying. When you are someone in a community whether it is because you play football or you are a school teacher or you are a local official, then it becomes news that people will discuss. That is the nature of the beast and always will be. As far as someone being considered a minor, there are all kinds of definitions of what is a minor or juvenile, according to which Texas code you are talking about. You are criminally an adult at 17 and no longer have the protection of being a juvenile in either charges being filed or your name being released. You have to be 18 to vote or buy cigarettes. Curfew violations take effect when you are younger than 17. You can't buy a pistol or alcohol until 21, yet you can buy a rifle or shotgun at 18. You can be issued a traffic citation at 14 years old. Age depends on which particular law you are talking about and you can be both a minor and an adult at the same time, according to which code applies to your situation. Such as the Alcohol Beverage Code, the Education Code, the Family Code, the Government Code, the Transportation Code, the Penal Code, etc. Being a student has no effect on the age of any code except the Education Code that deals with school rules. Being a high school student offers no exemption or relief from the other codes as far as age.

14, not 13. 15 for most other felonies. Well, funny that when I worked at TYC...we had of 13 and 14 year olds who were charged as adults from murder to rape. But, even at 15... What is even funnier is that state law says that they have to be 14. They cannot be charged as adults at 13, sorry.

Better 6 deer with 5 of them does. I can't get over the fact that some people think that does should have some kind of protection or shouldn't be killed.

I sleep during the even years.

Only 44,000 to go to take the lead.

Yeah, it is not like the problem magically goes away if setxsports doesn't have it. That is especially true since this site has been very good not to air it publicly until it is released from another source. Sounds like shooting the messenger.

14, not 13. 15 for most other felonies.

That is not correct information if that is what the officer(s) gave you. A 17 year old is not a runaway in Texas and has not been for at least 30 years and probably more. They are criminally adults at 17 and not a runaway. As a parent, you are responsible for their room and board until they are 18.

Let's see, you are averaging just over 9 posts per day. Coop is averaging 44 per day. Assuming that you can kick your post count up to about 75 per day and he maintains his current posting, you should be able to catch him in just short of 5 years. Good luck. ;D

A guy I worked with went out yesterday (I don't know the exact location but it was in the Sabine system) and they stomped them. I saw the pics of nothing but a full stringer of about 40 specks.

Yes, that is the problem with the new antler restrictions. It surely isn't a perfect system but hopefully if we get the buck to doe ration correct and let the bucks grow so we can actually have dominant bucks, then maybe these basket racks will slowly be sent the way of all nature selected breeding. If the weak were allowed to thrive in a normal environment, most species would have died out by now. When there are 8 does to each buck (like on our lease about five years ago), then a year old spike will be breeding does. Why worry about dominant bucks when he can't handle all the ones he comes across. Like I said, it is not the perfect system but I think it is better than killing yearlings every year. If hunters give it a chance, I think in a couple of years people are going to be happy with the results. Of course, if we could end most of the poaching, we would be even happier with the results.

Unless the game of the year is a game that actually means something.