Cu Chulainn
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1 minute ago, AggiesAreWe said:
I thought Sells played better defense and handled the ball better than Donald. So no.
I would have to go back and see what all the superlatives were for last year but just off the top of my head, Perrault should have been MVP.
I appreciate you agreeing with not only on Whit deserving of COTY honors this year, but also on Perrault deserving MVP last year.
What about NCOTY going to Courts not Scales last year? (I even had Kountze folks messaging me and apologizing for that one.) If you have trouble answering that, let me know if you saw either or both of the Kountze/OF matchups last year?
Also, if you get a chance to look at last years picks, let me know if you even recognize some of those names you see as 1st Team All District picks? Why would EC (#1) and Orangefield (#2) be so misrepresented last year?
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9 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:
First of all, in regards to the #1 seed game. I know that Orangefield wanted to flip and not play but Kountze said no. They wanted to play the game. So Orangefield had to agree to play or concede the #1 seed.
As for the superlatives go, I actually thought that Whitmire and Joubert should have been Co-COY. They both did tremendous jobs with their respective teams. I usually don't like Co's but in this case I think it's deserving and would have been the right thing to do.
I think the coaches got the MVP right. IMO, Sells is the best player and performed that way all season. I think Scales getting Offensive MVP is right on the money and Wrinkle getting Defensive was the correct call too. IMO, Wrinkle was more valuable to his team but isn't the scorer that Scales is. This is based on some of the games I have watched live and on video. When I talk to folks at the games it's always brought up how Wrinkle is Orangefield's "glue guy" (does it all) but just doesn't have the offensive game that Scales has.
All in all, I think the coaches have it right.
Just my opinion. No shade thrown anywhere.
I'll never take anything from Zane Wrinkle. He is a great kid and teammate that I think the World of. I'd call him our glue guy as well! Since that is the case though, was Mason Donald the glue guy for Kountze this year?
IYO, did the Coaches get their voting right in the 3A District Meeting last year?
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On 3/6/2024 at 3:13 PM, whsalum said:
I gotta ask the age old question, is there anyone who doesn’t make all district?
On 3/6/2024 at 3:51 PM, mfd814 said:Evidently. Only all the Kountze players make it , it’s biased.
7 District Teams X 10 -12 players per team = 70 -84 players (Split it at 77 players est.)
77 Players - 4 Superlatives - 8 1st Team All District - 8 2nd Team All District = 57 Players that don't make it est.
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1 hour ago, Bobcat1 said:
It depends on how each coach defines MVP.
Best player on the best team? Player with the most PPG? Player with the most steals and ppg combo? Best leader on a winning team that the team looks to, but maybe isn't the best player on the team?
The possibilites are endless.
I have several friends who are coaches and they really dislike making these selections.
I agree, its very tough to define the criteria. I personally hate when they go by points because some players shoot it 30 times a game to get their points, while a real winner unselfishly leads. If two players put up near identical numbers and their records were identical as well, would it go to the more efficient player whose percentages were better? If a players team was stacked and he had more help, would his team be able to still win at a pretty high rate without him? Would his equal counterpart with less help be considered more valuable then?
In high school, it seems none of that is considered, but at any higher level of basketball percentages and efficiency would most definitely be considered.
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8 hours ago, 72 Pinto said:
It doesn't matter what any of us think. It's the district coaches' decision and they picked the best player on the best team so it can't be that egregious.
I do think there should be some accountability with these votes, though. These are public schools so the voting should be open to public record. Maybe they could even do it at a place like Twin Peaks and people could present their case with film and stats. Then we could see who voted for who without all the backwoods politicking. I think I would go to that all district meeting.
I love your idea of a transparent District Meeting where there would be public record of votes and how players get nominated. It would end a lot of the bull we see go down.
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1 hour ago, LoydW said:
If that is the case my son should have been MVP last year cause he was face guarded just about full court by the best defender every district game except for the games against Kountze and still averaged 20+ points. But it is not the case. Perrault benefited from this as well as being the best athlete on our team last year. Sells is a phenomenal ball player who deserves the mvp. At worst if you believe in the co mvp stuff he would be that. If anything it is preparing him for college because that’s all they do is tight man coverage.
If your son is Perrault from EC, then I believe he should have been the MVP last year as well, which is what I mentioned in a previous post. He was the best player on the best team last year. I believe Ragusa had a shot at MVP, but we couldn't steal a game from EC last year, so in fairness, I believe it should have been Perrault from EC.
If anyone ever actually read my posts and considered what I am saying, then they'd see that I'm not complaining about the coverage at all. Im just stating that you can watch how teams play certain players and it will let you know very quickly who is feared the most. Those are always your MVP caliber players. Other players benefit from playing with those type players because they get more open looks and weak side coverage.
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21 minutes ago, BBfan061 said:
Who is down playing him?
Honestly, yall all know how you throw backhanded shade at my son because you dont like me. It is what it is, he has worked his tail off to pursue a dream that he had since he was very little and that takes guts, which is something most folks dont have. I have worked with him since he could walk, so he was home grown which makes folks even more mad. Add to that, that I made videos like any proud Dad would and it made/makes pansies even madder. At the end of the day, if anyone was to ever ask themselves why they hate me and maybe him, they wouldn't be able to give an honest instance where we did them any wrong. We have always treated folks like we want to be treated, I have just told him to never worry about fitting inside the box people have designed for you. You do you with a good heart and let them adjust! The loudest boos come from the cheapest seats!
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8 minutes ago, buccaneers4lyfe said:
While I think the Ghost is a good player, I believe the Wrinkle kid has more of a claim to the MVP based on the 3 games I saw the Bobcats play this year. The Sells Kid is more than deserving as well. Regardless I think the superlatives were correct in the district and I saw almost every team in the district at least once.
Down play him all you want, its expected on here. I believe Wrinkle is a great player too and I have bragged on him all season. At the same time I have seen them every game and how defenses played them. They were a 1, 2 punch that will surely be missed. Teams picked their poison and gambled on the other all season. I would have been extremely happy for Wrinkle had he won MVP, great young man and great teammate. We will not replace him, we will only be able to try to find ways to make up for his absence.
I dont agree Sells was more deserving, but that is why we are entitled to our own opinions. I stated the facts previously for why I feel the votes seem to always go to Kountze in some sort of way.
I guess I could dig up OF stats from the year before Ghost was a Freshman to see who he replaced in the lineup as a starter and on the team, see where they finished in District? Playoffs? I wonder if they were real good players? I wonder if you all bragged on how great they are and how terrible we'd be without them? I'm not real sure honestly, but I know we had 29 wins last year 3rd Rd exit, 33 wins this year 3rd Rd exit. Ghost probably didnt have much to do with any of those wins though.
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Also, they went two more rounds. That is why the seeding game was so important and neither team wanted to flip the coin. The path at 1 was much better than 2. You either play Hitchcock 5th Rd, or 3rd.
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13 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:
Didn't Kountze win that 3rd game for first? Not sure how its voted BUT they won the DC and advanced 1 more round i believe?. I wouldn't say ANYONE from OF was "robbed."
Voting happened before any Playin or Playoff Games the week District ended. District matchups are all that was considered.
Kountze didnt win the DC. They won seeding for the Playoffs. Kountze and Orangefield split the DC as Co-District Champions.
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Orangefield's Coach Whitmire deserved to be Coach Of The Year. He was a new coach with a new team that lost 7 Seniors the year before. The same 7 Seniors that some on here referred to as the "Most Dominant Senior Class Ever In Orangefield". Most on here projected us to finish 3rd or 4th in the district after last season. Coach Whit did return Scales and Wrinkle the previous year teams 2nd and 3rd leading scorers but he didnt have the depth that Joubert had or any impactful move ins (legitimate or not) that Kountze did. With all of that being considered, Whitmire coached Orangefield to a their first Co-District championship since 1954, two big tournament wins, Orangefield's All Time Winningest Record (33-6), and the 3rd Round of the Playoffs (not known at the time of voting). All of this with 70% of his scoring coming from two players (Scales & Wrinkle). That is coaching at it's finest in Texas H.S. Basketball.
Jaden "Ghost" Scales deserved to win "MVP" and not just "Offensive MVP". For all of the same above mentioned reasons, as well as putting up MVP numbers throughout the season on extremely efficient percentages and outplaying (Scales had 21 in the loss, 26 in the win) Sells in both District Matchups. The third Kountze/Orangefield - Playin Game was played after the District Meeting where voting took place. Even in that game, it was obvious who was believed to be the most dangerous player on the floor, and limiting Ghost's touches proved successful for Kountze because we didnt have enough fire power without him. With that being said, to me it is obvious who the most valuable player to their team was by how they were guarded and other teams chose to play them. Ghost was robbed again, just like last year when NOTY was given to Kountze instead of Ghost when he torched them in both meetings as a freshman when his counterpart's numbers were nowhere close to his. I can't honestly tell that story without also saying the MVP was given to Sells last year as well. So, both MVP and NCOTY went to a team last year that needed a Playin Game to make the playoffs. Perrault from EC (Best player on #1 Team) should have been MVP last year and Scales (2nd Leading Scorer on #2 Team) should have been Newcomer Of The Year - IMO
Don't get me wrong, Joubert is a great coach and Sells is a great player, that I have nothing but love for. However, it seems they are able to have their cake and eat it too though. You can have a homegrown freshman (NCOTY) and move-ins (legitimate or whatever) that we all turn a blind eye to and watch you go from 4th to 1st, or you can be viewed as the best Coach and player in the District because you took your team so far without as much help. Watching the full swing of both arguments to benefit Kountze in the last two years isn't the easiest sell to me or many others on here and elsewhere. As always though, I am just the only one to say it. That's ok though, doing what is right is more important to me than doing what is popular.
Congratulations to all of the kids and Coaches who were recognized this year though! The voting this year was much closer to where it should be than it was last year by a long shot.
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4 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:
I remember when we had these conversations at LCM Jr high games I guess they followed. Thankfully.
Yeah he was a killer then too and it didnt fit the narrative folks wanted then either. Glad you are happy he wanted to come back home, we are too! Plus, it lets yall move on to baseball as soon as Playoffs start for the other schools.
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22 minutes ago, 72 Pinto said:
This is why I poke at you all the time. There's so much wrong in this post. The refs aren't cheating you or your kid. They're certainly not afraid of you having "evidence" in a kangaroo court. You're not achieving anything by acting like a Jersey Shore fool (standing up for them as you say), except to entertain people. Do you think that causes officials to change how they call in the Bobcats' favor? And why are you even talking to your kid in the middle of the game? Pretty sure he has a real coach who is pretty dang good.
Your son is a really good player. Like really good. And I love watching him play (except for all these techs), but I seem to find myself always watching your antics. Orangefield has had a fantastic season and I hope it continues past Hitchcock.
You have so much to say on a message board under a made up username, why dont you come introduce yourself to me at the game since you are there?
Refs can be turned in to chapters for behavior violations even though I have never done it. The scout sitting next to me, knew the ref very well. No Kangaroo Court here.
When I say, "talking to my son", its things like, "youre good bud, stay in there, it will be alright, keep doing what you are doing, God is watching etc...." Ref came over to me and went from there. Ask anyone who sits anywhere around me what I say to not only my son but any of the kids or the love that is shown. I have never done anything to disrespect Coach Whitmire or Coach Mcdonald when he was here, but since I was the one in the driveway and on the court with him since he could walk, Im going to always speak to him and encourage him like any parent would. Its just magnified because of the player he is and everyone including the officials know Ill be courtside at halfcourt. Not hard to figure out.
And yes thank you, Orangefield has had a fantastic season and we couldnt be more proud of the boys and their coaches. We will have to play our absolute best to beat Hitchcock and continue on, but WE BELIEVE
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1 hour ago, Topdawg25 said:
Yeah one official had some suspect calls, at one point in the game he was telling a orangefield fan to be quiet or he had to go..
I was the Orangefield Fan mentioned, and I think its's obvious that I will stand up for kids anytime there is a need and always have. He wanted to feel like he was in control while he did his best to cheat the kids and coaches and literally came over to where I was while me and my son were talking. What he was doing was blatant and obvious. I am always courtside with a camera, so Im pretty sure he backed off knowing everything he said or did could be proven. Furthermore, had a scout sitting next to me that knew the official very well. He knew everything he was doing had valid witnesses to it.
I can't stand cowardly, lying, cheating people, who spread ill will and discontent. Add to that, they are willing to go at kids who deserve better, and I'll 100% of the time stand between those kids and the fire.
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Yes sir, it makes it tough when the refs aren't consistent on both ends.
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13 hours ago, Coach 01 said:
Halftime
Kountze 49
Diboll 42
Not sure which chapter is calling this game, but it’s hard to watch.
Players with 3 fouls- Warren, Jones, Donald, Johnson, Lowe, and Courts.
Players with 2- Sells, Smart, Barrs
12 hours ago, Coach 01 said:End of 3
Kountze 79
Diboll 63
Four count is 31-10 and Diboll playing football.
Players with 4- Jones, Warren, Donald, Johnson, and Lowe
I promise I mean this with all due respect, but this is the kind of play I was referencing. Its not a hard reach to believe that teams that press and play physically throughout would find themselves in foul trouble. I realize you guys feel the foul calling in this game was a little excessive, but it does illustrate the discrepancy in officiating when the rules are the same for all of the games. Oddly enough, it came to light during the next game.
If your pressure equates to turnovers, turnovers to points, then you should be able to be up by so much late in the game that the gamble on fouls that you took early, would still pay off by controlling the pace/clock. If a team is able to handle the pressure and keep it close, then the foul count/free throw count should benefit that team because they would have less fouls due to their style of play.
With that being said, I understand the game plan and just like @BBfan061 said, every team has to adjust to the way the refs are calling the game. Consistency has to be on the rules of the game on both ends, not on the foul count itself because that doesnt take into account the styles of play from each team.
With all of that being said, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU GUYS ON ANOTHER BIG WIN! We will be pulling for yall until we hopefully see you again!
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8 hours ago, mfd814 said:
The goal of almost every team Ever, is to limit the touches of the opponents best shooter. Defense stepped up after going down 0-10. All teams grab shirts , shorts what ever they can. They frustrate the player with the ball. Everyone thinks Scales is a phenomenal athlete. But frustrating him is the goal. Just like teams try to limit Sells. Refs call how they call, Joubert preaches to his players , play the game and let him worry about the Ref. An 18-2 run is Not the refs. When you have been guarded the entire game , denied the ball and having to run around the gym all night , you also get tired. Makes you miss shots later. Legs are dead in the 4th. Good luck in the playoffs and get ready for more of the same defense . Hitchcock was there watching both teams. Whitmire has done a good job and will be ready.
Sounds like you were there and I appreciate your honesty. I have said nearly identically what you just stated here previously, but all of the cowardly crap stirrers wanted to run with it and dispute what the game plan was all the way down to acting yall ran some kind of a soft zone against us or something, which we ALL know isn't true. I respect Joubert's Game Plan to limit Ghost's touches and wear him down. I'd do the same if it was me. Finding ways to win is part of the game and we came up short this time. Once again, thank you for stating the facts and well wishes, we will pulling for you guys too!
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40 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:
Babies or baby? I only see 1 here
Who are you referring to?
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1 hour ago, DP#1FAN said:
Each team going forward will face physical teams before one of them reaches the state tournament. In the playoffs the game is different. Wish both teams success in the playoff and would love to see them meet up one more time this year!
Thank you and I would love to see that too!
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1 hour ago, KHSAlum400 said:
Are you still on this? This happens in every HS game. Come on dude, this isn't Little Dribblers. Just admit the better team won that night and move on. I hope you get some decent rest tonight before the playoffs begin. It sounds like you haven't slept very well since Friday night...
No one is complaining about the physicality of the game and we welcome it. We have been in AAU and on the Circuit since he was 8 and he played up every year! We just want consistency with calls on both ends of the floor, not ticky tack on one end and then a blatant disregard for the other end.
As far as kids getting in his face and acting like they want to fight, well that is every game and it is always some scrub trying to earn some stripes in front of their own team. They are just selling wolf tickets, and we know they aren't real! It is never the star athletes from any team trying to start mess, because they have nothing to prove. It is always the no count scrubs every time whose name has never even made a scouting report.
We actually appreciate all the crap though, it just fuels the fire for the offseason!
BTW, thanks for the well wishes on my sleep. I really don't sleep very well these days.
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5 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:
Kountze played zone most of this game.
Played man in the 2nd half some.
Face guarded Scales as soon as they came out of their timeout when we were up 10/0 and would send help over when he had the ball. Zone for the other 4 defenders. Box and 1 really and you know it. You were there, dont act like they werent holding his jersey and pushing him all night!
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1 hour ago, KHSAlum400 said:
Assuming fouls will be called, which would put teams at the FT line, is not a good game plan to have.
It still sounds like you’re bitter about the officials.
The game is over though! Enjoy being co-district champs. I only addressed you because you and your buddy made it as if Orangefield only lost this game because the officials didn’t call many fouls or cheated for Kountze.
And one last thing.. both coaches agree to officials in seeding, warmups, and playoff games. If they can't they'll ask the UIL to assign a crew.
I've never Coached any of my players to bank on our points at the foul line being how we'd win a game. However, I have Coached my son to go at particular players to get them in foul trouble because they wouldnt be able to stay in front of him. We have been doing that since he was very young and it has worked more times than not. However, you do need a clean called game to make that strategy work. Hard to win when a teams best players are on the bench in foul trouble or fouled out. It's Chess not Checkers.
As far as whoever you think my buddy is; I dont know anyone on this thread that has said anything nice about my son or his teammates. When folks are nice and wish to remain anonymous, I thank them and leave it at that.
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12 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:
I believe he is referring to the 18-2 run after OF started out 10-0 (made the score 18-12 Kountze) Actually it was a 21-2 run for Kountze (led 21-12).
The 35-12 run is how the first half ended. After OF started the game 10-0, Kountze then finished the first half out scoring OF 35-12 for a 35-22 halftime score.
Basically the 18-2 run is within the overall 35-12 run.
Hope that clarifies that issue.
Yes sir, it does
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I appreciate your honesty and the vote for my son.
Not saying you are saying this, but I am. I dont give a dern if they are a 19 year old senior or a 14 year old freshman, the best players in the district should go on the 1st and 2nd Team list and they should be placed on those lists according to their production, not how long they have been in the program or how it isnt fair that their 2-10 team didnt have anyone represented in the selections. This is Varsity Basketball, the best kids are named to the best spots and the awards should reflect that.
I have said it before, but these are kids and we have a moral obligation to get it right. Last years voting was an absolute joke and lost a lot of credibility for what happened in that room.