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15 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Look, i'm not saying he's a bad coach, and I've repeated that over and over.  But he's not elite, and there's literally nothing to indicate he is.  If people would come on here and say that he's done a good job making lumberton semi-relevant, had a couple of solid seasons, one good season, and a couple of big wins, I would never have anything to say.  But there's been a string of fake accounts, family, family friends, and buddies (this is apparently your group) of his that get on here and mention him in the same breath as Sigler, Green, Foster, Boutte, Sutherland, etc. and it's laughable at this point.  Those accounts have at the same time denigrated other respected coaches in the area in an effort to make him look better.  This is why I will always come on here and argue, post stats, W/L records, etc when people try to claim he's elite, and will come on and ask questions when things aren't going well and those fake accounts and buddies are silent.  Those folks always have an excuse for the poor seasons, and lay all credit for the one truly good season and decent 3-year run out of ten seasons at his feet.  It doesn't jive.    

Well you clearly don't know me. Just because I don't agree with you, don't think I'm in anyone's group. I'm not drinking anyone's kool-aid unlike some I see on here especially the ones you mention. Not one single time did I mention anything about Mitchell being elite. Not one time did I mention those others were either too. What I said was that it takes talent to win and those programs have talent and have recruited talent and Mitchell has done well with the talent he has at Lumberton. You don't get to stay at a program for 10 years in a healthy closed school district without being relevant. I'm still unsure what team you are affiliated but It's irrelevant. Im just curious if you could stand behind your home team/program for the past 10 years and see how it matches up to his record. I'm not going to say anything because our program could not. BC has only beaten 1 program in playoffs in 60 years and it was one of these "elite" coaches. BC has nothing to talk about being relevant but we certainly don't disgrace others that are doing better than we have the last decade. 

5 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I'm not arguing with these stats: in 9+ years at lumberton he has 117 wins, and SIXTY-FOUR of them have come against lower division teams.  Their district record in those 9 years is 40-71. 

Win you're talking about padding wins, you can look at the stat I listed above.  over half of their wins over ten years are against lower competition, and not good teams, either.  They have nearly 40 losses to lower level teams during that time as well.  Out of 250ish games, around 100 have come against lower classifications.  There's a far cry from playing a single lower level tournament once in awhile and doing at least 2 a year every single year, plus 4-5 other non-tournament games a season vs lower classifications thrown in.  

Mitchell's career stats  I just asked him to provide me some real numbers to be fair because I'm not sure where everyone getting their information.

189- 192 career (spurger deweyville Lumberton) 

159-166 Lumberton. 4 of these years Lumberton played in 5A against Ozen, Nederland, Memorial, etc. Tough to win against them. 

Just now, cb3plus3 said:

 

If you feel that EC program should play there then so be it. I guess the district will determine that.  I agree with you though, BC should not be at that tourney either.  

1 minute ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Spurger is a basketball first school. They do not play football.

If you are going to call out EC for playing in the Evadale tourney, then why not call out your own 4A BC team along with 4A Jasper? 4A playing in a 2A hosted tourney. Looking at what teams played in the Nederland tourney, BC and Jasper should have been in that tourney as well. The only school smaller than EC in the Evadale tourney was Evadale.

Every coach has his own philosophy as to what kind of schedule is good for his team.

9 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

there are plenty of schools who don't use it properly, but plenty who do.  my only point in my reply to him is that, as someone who provides scores for maxpreps, I know without dispute that Lumberton is a school that reports all wins but relies on the other school to report their losses.  So when he stated that using maxpreps is not a fair way to attain Lumberton's record over 10 years I agree, but that their record is without a doubt worse than what I provided.  

I think it's really important to point out, if you say that about him, we have to point out others. I'm not sure what school affliation you are with but I know he is passionate about opening the gym for kids and trying to help build a program wherever he goes. His w/l record is about .500 for his career from Spurger, Deweyville and Lumberton I believe.  And those are by no means basketball first programs so I'm not sure how you argue with the stats. HS basketball is tough in SETX I'm just saying only a handful of coaches that have better than .500 record for over a decade. I remember when schools like HF, Nederland, OF, and others couldn't get quality pre season games before their current program coaches. It's not easy to load a schedule like Silsbee or BU. Barbers Hill came and played at LCM tourney and had no business there. #14 5A team playing tarkington, BC, Anuhac, LCM, etc. All lower class schools. East Chambers goes to tournaments they shouldn't play at either. Evadale isn't a special tourney for EC to win. Same time as Nederland so why don't they do that tourney? Those are padded wins too. So I think it's really hard to judge any program how they get to their own records the only one that matters is the end of season record. 

On 1/4/2023 at 9:44 AM, Box1 said:

Don't know his name but BC has a little shooter that if he got hot I could see him being the reason for the outcome.

Britten was the leading scorer for both teams but it wasn't because of his shooting the threes. LCM did well protecting the perimeter against him. The inside drive and BC made free throws were a dagger. Britten went 10 of 10 of his 19 pts. LCM had opportunities but didn't take advantage. 

Just now, cb3plus3 said:

 

It takes time to develop programs too. Not sure the dates when he went to Lumberton but culture is a tough thing to change. Lumberton been a baseball and FB school for a while. We experience similar things at BC. As far as reporting wins amd losses, I've seen that from several programs. If Maxpreps is the source you rely on, may want to try and figure out a better way. I have been disappointed in Maxpreps for years. WOS girls are the worse I've seen at reporting on maxpreps. Try to get a correct roster from half the teams out there. Every program I know of except for Evadale boys and girls  doesn't properly use maxpreps. These two squads do excellent. 

27 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

correct.  a lot of lumberton's losses don't get reported on there.  tournament games that have to be added by an admin tend to not get added when they're losses.  For example, when a team plays a tourney, a team admin (coach) has to add games to the schedule.  In the most recent tourney Lumberton played, Mitchell reported their win over goodrich and added the game vs apple springs to the schedule which another lumbertoner reported the score to, but didn't add either the woodville or jasper game onto their schedule, both of which they lost.  The woodville coach reported their win over Lumberton, but the jasper coach did not, so Lumberton's record is currently incorrect. as a scorekeeper who reports local basketball and football scores for maxpreps, I've scored 3 lumberton basketball losses this year that weren't reported.  Someone from Lumberton has managed to report every win, though.  But i'm just going by what's in front of me.  I do agree with some of your other points, and like I said, he deserves some credit for what he's done.  But not as much as he's given himself. As for having the talent to beat those 5A teams, I feel like an elite coach would find a way to do better than 3-44 (out of games reported) over 4 seasons.  Central and Ozen were obviously tough, but there were plenty of opportunity to beat bad and average teams during those 4 years in district.  Lee, GCM, Vidor, PNG, twice a season: every one of those games should've been winnable.  He shouldn't have won them all, but one most years is bad.    

32 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I've mentioned before about the fact that there's a lot pointing to him coming on this site with multiple accounts talking crap about coaches way more accomplished than himself, while making himself out to be one of the elite coaches in the area.  One of those coaches is a man i played for and have much respect for, so that's part of it.  That said, I'm fully willing to give him some credit for improving Lumberton in his time there.  But is it really a testament to his ability as a coach that he took them to the playoffs in 2019 for the first time in 20 years? What about the fact that he had the best player in school history, an elite coach in his first and only year as his assistant, and that they'd dropped down to 4A after he'd managed to coach them to 3 total district wins in the previous 4 years in 5A?  A 117-131 record, with more than half of those wins coming against 3A/below competition, and a 40-71 record in district over ten years just doesn't scream "Elite" to me, despite what some might say.  

all teams need great players. If you think BU and silsbee doing all this without players it doesn't happened. So arguing he did it with Brock is just poor. He did it without Brock too. The difference with programs like Lumberton and what Mitchell has done there is he takes average talent and devlopes it to the best potential. Everyone always down on the guy, we play against him every year. He not a bad dude he just not your style of coach is all. I also know he is extremely competitive and does what he can to help his kids outside of HS get college scholarships. There are 4 kids right now that I know playing basketball in college becuse he helped them. Sure there are other programs in our district with better talent than at Lumberton. The fact that Mitchell frustrates teams year over year is because of his ability to adapt his coaching style towards players strengths.  Don't ever look past Lumberton on a down year. He has kids like Jackson Spears chucking up 35 pts and that new PG from San Antonio gonna be special. He got his team late this year due to half his team coming from football. If we are judging on mere wins, Silsbee would have to be in that conversation. But we know the talent is there and the Ws are coming. I'm not sure who will be in the running for playoffs but I honestly hope Lumberton is out since I am a BC dad. Just not sure that's the case. 

Walker Britten led the way for BC with 19 points including 10-10 from the free throw line. Rodriguez added 17 including 13 in the second quarter. For LCM, Ben Elliott had 18, Alantheon Winn fouled out with 14, and Noah Fuller 13.

Scoring leaders were Walker Britten with 19 pts 4 Asst 2 steals and Fernando Rodriquez with 17 pts 2 reb and a steal.

Rebound leader was Jerris Brown who secured 6 boards and added 8 pts and 2 assist. 

Cards are 1-1 in district play and will have a bye this Friday. 

1 hour ago, Charles in Charge said:

Impressive schedule for fall basketball.  I'm excited to see how Bridge City does this season.  I hope that Coach Robertson let's his best players (those talented freshmen) take over this team.  The future is bright!

The only freshman playing with the squad is Bush for now. He is still working into varsity ball. It's a different world from 8th grade ball. Only graduated 1 player from last year (Ocegara). Britten, Gutierrez, Breaux and Linder will be solid 4 with a lot of good quality and experince from.last years squad filling in. Carlin, Hebert, Torres, Rodriquez, Stone, and a few other pieces. I suspect BC will be in the playoff hunt this year. 

Fall basketball schedule in for Bridge City

On 2/1/2022 at 1:12 PM, BADSANTA said:

Did those kids who beat HJ in the playoffs last year all graduate? 

 we have 2 freshman 2 juniors 1 sr and 5 sophmores. 2 returns from last year playoff. 

On 1/27/2022 at 4:07 PM, Boneyard Boys said:

Yea it was a good one, I somehow pick the overtime games to attend. Funny thing is I always move to a seat right near the exit at the end of regulation so I can scoot out of there right when the game ends. Then I end up sitting there watching the whole thing through overtime. This one looked like Vidor was going to run away with it in the first half, then BC made their stand, forced the OT and stole the game at the end.

My son is on the BC team and that was indeed a great game. The Vidor kids had better size, better skilled players at some positions and also the referee calls seemed to go their way a lot.. Very surprised they didn't pull it out. I think BC had more heart that game honestly and some clutch plays. That may be our only win for district but it was a good game. My son ended up with 20 pts for BC and most of that came in 2nd half. Some big 3 pointers and press steals/layups. Great team effort by a lot of thos kids both ways. The one big from Vidor (Long hair) didnt miss except the last shot. it was fun to watch. 

On 1/31/2022 at 9:27 AM, BADSANTA said:

I predict Silsbee 91 BC 46

BC  really young/small. They can be scrappy but its in Silsbee where the whistle will be fairly quiet. May be pretty close prediction though.  

Student section was a game changer unlike any I've seen. they owned every kid at the free-throw line it seemed.  a bit of distasteful behavior at the end by a student that grabbed a microphone but the students were on point. It had a college student body feel to it. being a fan on the other end wasn't fun for sure. 

All I know is this may be Coach E best squad. 12 seniors that have been together in summer AAU ball too. Hope they make a good run. Toughest 5A district i bet in the state or near the toughest. 

Rayburn Hebert and point guard Walker Britten led the Cardinals with 9 points a piece. Lincoln Breaux had 8 points and 6 rebounds for Bridge City while Ethan Oceguera chimed in with 7 points and 11 boards. Britten added 4 rebounds for the Cardinals. Cardinal guard Aiden Gutierrez helped seal the game with a pair of free-throws with 0:07 remaining

Ethan Oceguera led the Cardinals (2-3) with 21 points while Walker Britten had 15. Rayburn Hebert chimed in with nine points and Lincoln Breaux contributed eight.

The Cardinals return to action Tuesday when they play host to Buna.

Nederland is real.  12 seniors on that squad.  Coach E got that going early. 

13 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Bridge City       64

Bmt. Kelly         72

BC scoring leaders

Walker Britten 19 pts

Aiden Gutierrez 17 points

Fernando Rodriguez 13 pts

Happy that a BMT guy gets to play close to home and represent his family and the 409. Much success TA and congrats to his parents, family as well. You raised a good kid!  

For the record this thread post was created by someone else not me. I am Chuck that coaches the OC Warriors (cb3plus3)