badndn

I'm guessing you can only be nominated for one or the other. Tremain Thomas would have been a shoe in to be a finalist for both if so.

I'd be shocked if we saw another 2 win season. May not be an 8 win season, but at least 3 W's. ;) 2 of the 4 defenses under Faircloth gave up less than 13 PPG in District. Even a bad Faircloth PNG offense would win enough to make the playoffs if they only had to score 14 to win.

Dockofthebay, once again, yes Montana was in my opinion the best overall player in the area this year because he excelled on both sides of the ball, but the question is which side will he be a finalist. If there was a local Heisman he would be the winner hands down, but the WRS is top Offense and top Defense. I'd like to see Montanas defensive stats. I know they are good, but I would bet that Lynch and Courons numbers might be better. That said, I suspect his offensive numbers would be hard to beat. Fact is there were a lot of great defensive players this year. More so than most years. Offensively Q stands out this year with 2000+ combined yards and 35+ TDs. So in my opinion Montana will be an offensive finalist and will win the WRS award for top offensive player. I think Lynch will win Defensive award.

What's comical is you folks from Vidor that don't get it. This is a very legit question. Which award will he win? There are TWO winners! WRS is not about best overall. No one in this area doubts that he was the best OVERALL player. As far as Lamar goes, I think it's been made very clear that he is going on a mission trip (2 years) and then to BYU...So I ask...Why would Lamar waste its time and money recruiting him?

Maybe they have redrawn their distribution line to HF. Its not a GT team. If so Quirante and Sezar would have made it as well as several from BMT and Silsbee. It looks to be mainly Ned, PAM, PNG, HF, BC, WOS and OF. ?? When the team started the Newspaper was the main form of media and damn near everyone from Winnie over to Orange south of I10 got a PA News. Not the case anymore. Papers are struggling to survive and they have much smaller staffs to cover things like this. The SETXSports.com Super Gold Team Big school and Small School!

There is no denying Q was the best all around player in 20-4A this year, but the issue for the WRS award is which side of the ball should he be up for. Remember the WRS award is broken down into Best Defensive player and Best Offensive player. So was he the best defensive player in the area? Couron, Lynch, pick a WOS DB, are all very deserving over Montana. Was he the best offensive player? The QB from PAM was very good. My guess is that there were so many exceptional defensive players this year, he will get the nomination from the offensive side since he really put up very good numbers. Again remember the WRS is not the best overall player like the Heisman.

Not sure. He was used late and others were used some both ways, but I think it would have only helped a bit. Running game and ineffective QB play was not the WR's fault.

You were mostly correct...The PNG offense took a major downturn in 2012. I think that was one of the biggest reasons for the 2-8 season. PNG offenses under Faircloth averaged 29.4, 36.8 and 33.7 the previous 3 years with very good running games that averaged over 6 ypc and rarely fumbled and a passing attack that completed 60 - 65% of it's passes...The 2012 version averaged around 4 yards per carry, Completed about 51% with 14 interceptions and several fumbles. In 2009 five kids caught double digit passes. In 2010 three did. In 2011 five again. In 2012 only two had double digit catches and only one of those was a WR.

Not bad 87...Not bad... I think every team has a few fans that think their team is way better than they are each year...I for one was pretty realistic with this PNG team from the get go, they were 1-9 as Freshman so!!! I think I said PNG may vie for the 4th spot, but only because teams 3-8 were much weaker than in years past (I don't think anyone would argue that I got that right).

[quote name="thedogs1987" post="1359217" timestamp="1356728354"] Badndn....I agree on reasons why 2012 went poorly for PNG... Think the Offensive woes will see improvement next season....what about running game....is there someone coming in with solid attack. 2-3 years from now, it sounds like if adjustments are made, PNG could be fighting for it DT again. I think enough bugs in the ears regarding Defense have not gone "unheard" after this season  at the Reservation. Also, agree that winning the line of scrimmage is where so many successful teams win it.  Alabama always does this well.  Doesn't really matter who is back there running for them, with holes that open, I could run through them (well, not really, not too much running anymore).  Do you know about running attack that PNG has to look forward to? [/quote] Brant Halfin will be a Jr next year and was the bell cow for JV for much of the season. He reminds me of Harmon and Bertrand alot. He is quick between the tackles and always moving forward. He wont wow you with spead, but just like Harmon and Bertrand he will move the chains. And to complement him they have a Sophomore to be, named Cropper that is very fast and elusive that could see some time next year as well (I would suspect he could be the KO return guy on Varsity and could get 4 or 5 carries, maybe even a few catches in space to get him outside). The backup RB on JV, Duhon I think was his name, ran very well also when Halfin was out late in the season. The key again to the running game will be better line play. Most of them return so they will have experience. I would be shocked if the running game didnt vastly improve next season. Which will improve the passing game and the defense.

I am bored. So I went back to 1999 took the ppg in district given up minus the worst game since everyone is entitled to have one and here are the results. Very Interesting considering we ran out of the I and relied on our defense for the MB days. Yr    PPG (District Finish)              Yr    PPG (District Finish) 99 - 13 (1st)                                09 - 12.2 (1st) 00 - 11.8                                    10 - 27.5 (2nd) 01 - 27                                        11 - 12.8 (2nd) 02 - 11.5                                    12 - 33.5 03 - 11 (1st) 04 - 16.6 (1st) 05 - 20.7 06 - 23.7 07 - 16.7 (1st) 08 - 22.3 Two of PNGs best years defensively (2000 and 2002) they did not finish in the top three in district running the I, yet running the spread they had one of the worst years defensively in 2010 and finished 2nd and went three deep. Three playoff appearances in four years...Four the previous 10 years. I'll stick with Faircloth. I got faith in him. He does have the 3rd and 4th best defenses in the past 14 years sprinkled in with those two bad defenses. I think he needs to get a good DC and keep him for a while. If I'm not mistaken this year was DC #3 (someone correct me if I'm wrong) Also notice since they went to 3 and then 4 teams in the playoffs, PNG has never qualified any lower than 2nd...Interesting.

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1359108" timestamp="1356715397"] When they were running the spread yes... hmmm... switch away from spread, play good defense, run spread, defense is gassed and can't stop anyone... sound familiar.  Your analogy is missing something. [/quote] You can run the spread and still ball control. We had two of our three highest single season rushing results under Faircloth. And it's no coincedence that those two teams went a combined 19-6 and 3-2 in the playoffs. I think the traditional pro-style offenses and run heavy attacks do lead to better defenses, but they also can lead to poor offenses when you dont have the studs up front to manhandle your opponent. We saw a lot of that through the years with MB. Every three or four years we would have the hosses up front to whoop folks and we would make the playoffs, but the other three years in between resulted in 3 to 5 win seasons and no playoffs. Watching the HS state games most of the teams participating in those games from 1A on up ran some form of a spread attack. Katy whoops you at the line of scrimmage running out of the I, but lets be honest, they get the top athletes from the Katy ISD so they always have the hosses up front. Cedar Park also ran a pro style. In 2011 the PNG defense ranked 2nd to Nederland in ppg in the district and that included the 42 points we gave up to Livingston in the first game. Points given up the other 6 district games - 24, 10, 7, 7, 15, 14...Thats 12.8 ppg over the final six games. Take out Nederlands worst district game, the 41 Ozen scored on them, and that great Nederland defense gave up 11.3 ppg. Vidor who everyone talked so much about there defense that year and who runs the polar opposite of the spread gave up 18.8 ppg when taking out their worst game in district. Yes 2012 was a very bad year defensively, but it was also a very bad year offensively which I think had just as much to do with our poor season.

Isnt the RB returning also.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1359057" timestamp="1356706923"] This is why pro football teams measure your intelligence in camp now, not your tackles.  They want to know if you are[color=red] smart enough[/color] to learn [color=red]what they teach[/color] You can be all district in high school but not good enough for D1 ;) [/quote] That reminds me of the great B.B Davis at Lamar. When he went to the NBA (Kansas City Kings if I remember correctly) they said he had all the talent in the world, but couldnt pick up the game plans! Led to a very short NBA career.

I recall a 4 or 5 year span there where Nederland had this same problem. They could score, but couldnt stop anyone and look at them know!

[quote name="NDNation" post="1358832" timestamp="1356636951"] Tough preseason for sure, but I think it will give us a look at what to expect in district. I would rather us lose in preseason and adjustments made and roll in district. [/quote] Yes, hopefully having two full scrimmages will help in the evaluation process. Seems we have been late in making personel adjustments the last several years and start out in a whole in the first couple weeks of district.

[quote name="Madashell" post="1358812" timestamp="1356632785"] [quote author=HighHaters link=topic=107343.msg1358805#msg1358805 date=1356629978] [quote author=Diamond-J link=topic=107343.msg1353908#msg1353908 date=1355324901] [quote author=Smoking Baby link=topic=107343.msg1353410#msg1353410 date=1355226552] So with a typo Dayton only has 1 returning all-district player?  OK, well guess that settles that.  You still suck Dayton. [/quote]13-6 [/quote] DAYTON IS GREAT THEY DO NOT SUCK! SC BEAT THEM OOOOOOOWOOOOOOOWWW? HOW ABOUT YOU GIVE CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE DAYTON IS VERY GOOD AND SO IS SC GO SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE AND GET YOUR LIFE! ENOUGH SAID......ALL YOU HATERS OUT THERE MUST NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO BUT DOWN RATE  SOMEBODY ELSE..... [/quote] [/quote] You are obviously a newbie to this site and don't know that Smoking Baby is a BH fan that ends every post with Dayton Sux, even when giving them praise. Stick around and you will find out that it is well recieved by the Dayton folks and actually encouraged by most as good natured ribbing from a fan of a rival that has had he!! with Dayton over the years and knows it. So before you MAKE AN ALL CAPS "I'M MADE AS HELL" POST ABOUT IT, do a little research. Welcome to the board...try and drop the all caps...It's very hard to read!

One thing I think a lot of folks forget about the QB situation this past season is that Faircloth and company knew that AJ was not there best option at the postion and made a change. Unfortunately the change got injured and AJ became the only option. AJ Smith wanted to play WR. He knew he would help the team better as a WR if they had someone else that could pull the trigger, but when Walker got hurt he did what was best for the team. I think we all saw a glimpse of what AJ could do as a 6'5" WR with good hands (remember the one handed grab in the 1st Q against Lumberton before Ky got hurt). With Walker at QB, AJ and Rose at WR, I think we could have been much more productive on offense, but we still had trouble running the ball. Hopefully next year the running game will improve. Most of the Oline is returning so we should be improved up front due to experience and if Junior to be Taylor Smith steps in to Reasons spot he will not dissapoint. He is a big strong kid (6'1" 250+ and growing) with quickness and developed a mean streak as the JV season wore on last year. Halfin reminds me of Harmon and Bertrand with good lower body strength and always hits the hole strong and quick and rarely losses yards. The biggest question mark next year will be Defensive Line. Who returns and who steps up? I know Wardlow and #49 return, but we need some beef in there. Could we see some O Linemen move over to that side of the ball with a couple of young O Linemen ready to play? I just hope folks don't get too discouraged if this team starts out 0-3. Silsbee, SC and WOS will be 3 of the top 5 teams in this area next year.

Great point Dayton. I tried to make this point in the OTHER thread. If Brown had those other DBs on his side like Thomas does, he would get more chances. So Beasley had a TCU offer, but he quit so he is not actually a part of the WOS secondary! He don't count. I laugh every time I hear or read a WOS fan make the statement that they would have won if they didn't turn the ball over SIX times. One TO is an accident, SIX is a result of facing a better team. Navasota was the better team. End Of Story. PNG would've beaten WOS this year if they would have played perfect football and the better team (WOS) would have played really bad! How stupid does that sound.

Smitty if you want facts as you put it, then you are wrong. It hasn't been all downhill record wise. 7-4 is a better winning percentage than 8-5...Fact! ;)

Congratulations. How long has HBU been playing football?

Thanks Buddy. TWC in SETX has royally screwed us fans! Is there one person in this area that wants to see the Hornets? Ever? Why not Spurs or Mavs? They need to hook us up with the Comcast Sports channel.

GTown O-Line is the smallest I've seen during these Championship broadcasts.

To be fair to Brown, Thomas and Renfro at WOS had more opportunities to make a play on the ball because Thomas had Renfro and Renfro had Thomas. If you threw the ball against WOS you had to pick on one or the other. Dove you are right on about the camps and recruiting. Kids can wow a coach in camp and gets an offer then becomes a bigtime recruit because of it and garners All State attention because of the recruitment not the stats. Remember Dravanti Johnson. Great Junior season, poor Senior season where he made second team All District by the locals who actually saw him and was named 4A Defensive POY by AP?? Why? Because he was a UT recruit!

That Collins kid can fly and #68 was a man amongst boys. Is he only a Junior? Rattlers defense was best I've seen at any level in a while. Fast,Fast,Fast and swarming! Congrats to the Rattlers, the real "Greatest Show On Turf" ;)