HUM398

i don't mean to be a jackass.  I just want to route out any improper thinking that leads people to believe that SC is somehow at a disadvantage.  They are not.  They have the wind at their backs, and help from the powers that be.  This is factual. It however, doesn't change the fact that they are what they are.  The best in this UIL district as it stands (2012 results). You can understand that the majority of us who have been following high school football for as long as we have, it can be cumbersome when a team claims they are at some sort of disadvantage...when they aren't.    There is no shame in a 3rd year varsity program doing as well as they have.  Its practically unheard of. 

[quote name="DemDAWGS!" post="1411484" timestamp="1370544419"] Some of this just doesn't jive with the facts on the ground.  Having said that, I'm obviously not able to put a solid # on how many kids slipped over to SC.  My information comes from kids (including my own) that attend(ed) SC.  Also, if you look at the demographics of Summerwood & Fall Creek ...they don't nearly match the demo of SC.  Furthermore, regarding the kids you state that live in community ...just seems daggon strange I NEVER see them until school time.  Not on a bike, not at the pool, not in front of a house ...I'm just speaking about my section of the neighborhood.  The school needed numbers to justify the cash outlay.  I'm not certain how much real scrutiny went on during the first couple years.  I don't think the administration truly anticipated how many kids showed up at SC.  A good example was the textbook shortages and over crowded lunch rooms.  Atascocita HS went through it as well.  My oldest daughter is a grad of their 1st 4 year class. [/quote] They jive with US Census data, PASA Demographic Data, HISD internal Demographic data.    Fall Creek and Summer Wood are both more diverse than you think. Do me a favor a take a look at the elementary and middle school breakdowns for your neighborhoods. (Summerwood, Park Lakes,Lake Shore, Fall Creek) surely, you aren't suggesting that the anomaly occurs throughout every level of schooling?  Its just highly unlikely.  The number are just too similar.  Granted, i will give you that they are not exact...however the margin of error would be minuscule.  also, I would suggest that simply not seeing their presence is not suitable evidence for declaring your perception to be an accurate assessment.  I can assure you, that the vast majority of the students that are on that bus stop don't get dropped off their every morning by parents who live elsewhere. It is highly improbable considering the data shows a congruence. Atascocita show rapid growth with the development of eagle springs, faster then it was anticipated.  Furthermore the school district did a poor job in redrawing the lines to accurately forecast demographic changes.  or in other words, they bit off more then they could chew.  They had to expand the original campus by 400 with a development of an additional wing.  The other items you pointed out are administrative failures in planning.  Common in Texas school system given resources are often diverted for ridiculous purposes.

[quote name="DemDAWGS!" post="1411368" timestamp="1370531360"] Lies, all LIES!  LOL, j/k. You've clearly done a lot of solid research.  My only point of contention with what you've presented is SC was the hot NEW school.  This played heavily in our surge in enrollment.  The truth of the matter is we drew kids from EVERYWHERE ...primarily economically disadvantaged areas.  I'll agree that kids from masterplan communities would most likely gravitate to AHS, but SC was getting kids from Greenspoint, Sheldon, and Humble.  Probably some that were zoned for Northshore as well.  I live in Summerwood and it never ceases to amaze me how many kids magically appear at our bus stops each school year.  I believe this will level off and maybe even drop once the new school luster wears off. I'm thinking the UiL may realize this as well.  Some months back another poster mentioned the UiL looks at strength of a program as well as enrollment before moving a school up.  I'm not seeing enough kids showing up for football to support a 5A program at this point. [/quote] SC was the hot new school.  But it did not play heavily into the surge in enrollment.  The enrollment increase was designed and manufactured by the school district to please developers.  The developers asked for a high school sooner, and the logic was to give them what they wanted to spur additional growth in the area for development.  Summer Creek was built a full 5-6 years before its initial inception.  In fact, it was not even suppose to be where it is located right now.  It was only because the land was offered up at a ridiculous price that Summer Creek ended up where it was.  Also those kids, at the bus stop....live there.  Each year Humble ISD does a pretty accurate assessment of how many students from out of district sneak in.  Its always a very low percentage, last i checked it was less then 2% district wide.  A margin that even in high concentration is not enough to greatly affect a surge in enrollment.  Furthermore, if you read the PASA study along with the other districts Demographic studies... You will find that Summer Creek and Humble are both attract young middle income minority families from across the GHA.  You will also find that migration pattern for other districts south of us are now moving to districts like Sheldon and Humble ISD instead of Houston ISD like they have for the previous two decades.  ESPECIALLY among middle class black's, Houston ISD is losing their black population to schools like Humble High, C.E King, Summer Creek, etc.....much like Aldine ISD loses their student population to Klein and Spring ISD.    I have lived here a long long time, and this has been a gradually building pattern for the last 20 years. I have been around high school football for a very long time.  I can assure you that the UIL doesn't care who is ready for whatever class.  If they did, they wouldn't of forced schools like Marshall and Willowridge to play 5a ball for the last 5-8 years with low 4a numbers.    The UIL is concerned about 2 things....How to make football a everyone wins sport and travel distance.    The UIL requires the athletic departments to supply the capture shot of enrollments.  when they are in,they take the top 245 schools and make them 5a; and then the remaining 246 4a, etc.    From there they create districts based on travel times and depending on the amount of bourbon they ingest the night before....who the lucky [censored] are that has to travel to the Golden Triangle for 5a (it wasn't that long ago when Humble High was paired with the Spring schools to travel to Beaumont and PATX).    And the final note, they don't look at program participation (although i have always argued that it is a far better gage) to determine what class people should go in.  About 4 years ago, Sam Houston High had to play 5a ball with 17 people on varsity.........17.

[quote name="DemDAWGS!" post="1411330" timestamp="1370527238"] SC's numbers are skewed by transfers from Humble due to Humble's low rating a couple years back. [/quote] Sorry , not by that much at all.  If anything, the talent level is skewed because of the transfers.  most if not 90%+ of the transfer were athletic or other after school program related.  The way the zoning is laid out, a parent of a non-athletic student would transfer there kids to Atascocita over SC 9 out of 10 times.  Why?  Because it is closer to the neighborhoods.    The largest density of students is in the Atascocita forest area.  Roughly 2 miles to AHS.  The rest of the students are unlikely to transfer, as the make up of the rest of the zone is primarily economically disadvantaged and lower middle income households....with a lower probability of being able to A. Afford and commit to driving their student 6-12 miles to school  B. Pay enough attention to know that the school district improperly counted repeat seniors and move aways, which provided Humble with an unacceptable rating by the TEA. I know for a fact that the numbers for SC going into this season were skewed on a technicality during the snap shot.  To keep them in 4a.  Otherwise SC would of been in 5a.  Had they been ready, they would of come in at over 2090.    When schools open up new schools that feed into their zone, they generally round up....according to the rate of growth. However that wasn't done.  When the 2012 season started, no one was shocked to see SC post a 2100+ enrollment count.

[quote name="Coach Comeaux" post="1410967" timestamp="1370448609"] :-D well i couldn't pass it up.... i mean it just jumped out at me and said HEY LOOK AT THIS!!! :-D ... and it seems from what I read on here there are more holes in the SC program this year than expected.... did some upcoming talent move? or just not filling out like they thought they were?? or is there more rust then expected.... [/quote] there are definitely more questions.  Its not a question of capable talent, its a question of melding all the pieces together to make a unit that works according to one purpose.  They will be fine against inferior talented teams, but teams with similar talent and superior continuity will rip SC apart. Its far more then rust.  I can say from a technical standpoint, both OL and DL are going to be weaknesses for this team.  DL will struggle to create pressure against technically sound Offensive lines, and the Offensive line will struggle to create running lanes against faster and stronger defensive lines You may very well get a duplicate of last year, if all other teams stayed exactly the same.  Thats highly unlikely.    Like i said before, Summer Creek is the favorite.  However, its logically feasible that this SC team could be worse given they lack the cohesion of the previous year.

[quote name="Coach Comeaux" post="1410928" timestamp="1370438496"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=111829.msg1410907#msg1410907 date=1370414091] I attended. I thought they looked somewhat the same, perhaps regressed on the defensive side of the ball.    QB: A+ Offensive line: C RB:  B-  Note:  They have some kids playing the wrong position at RB WR: C+    Note:  Run sub par routes, but are very quick and good overal athletic ability.  Need to learn to block down field better Defensive Line: C+  [b](will struggle against larger defensive lines, lucky for them they have a QB that has a quick release....Wideouts that can fly....and they play in 4a where huge OL's are about as common as 6'5 300lbs freshman)[/b] LB: A- DB: B- (The Corners have a lot of work to do.  I saw a lot of technique that was just absent) This team is athletic, but they are tremendously raw.  If the league improves over its poor showing last year, i would expect Summer Creek has a tougher time.  However, as it stands now they are the clear cut favorite. They look like they will pick up where they started last year.  The loss of the senior WR's will be interesting, because it is notably dropped off over last year. [/quote] OK LOL I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here... and i am hoping you put the O Line comment on the D line.... because I have never seen 1 defensive line struggle against another Defensive line that was protecting a QB that had a quick release... LMAO!... [/quote] hardy har har.    Obviously a typo.    But i meant to say they will have a problem against larger Offensive lines.    and lucky for them that they have an offense as athletic and potent as it is, because if they did not this defense would not stay fresh very long.  essentially, if you remove Aaron Sharp and a couple of wideouts...this team is not very good.    Its amazing what a couple of top tier D1 talents will do for your total output.

I attended. I thought they looked somewhat the same, perhaps regressed on the defensive side of the ball.    QB: A+ Offensive line: C RB:  B-  Note:  They have some kids playing the wrong position at RB WR: C+    Note:  Run sub par routes, but are very quick and good overal athletic ability.  Need to learn to block down field better Defensive Line: C+  (will struggle against larger defensive lines, lucky for them they have a QB that has a quick release....Wideouts that can fly....and they play in 4a where huge OL's are about as common as 6'5 300lbs freshman) LB: A- DB: B- (The Corners have a lot of work to do.  I saw a lot of technique that was just absent) This team is athletic, but they are tremendously raw.  If the league improves over its poor showing last year, i would expect Summer Creek has a tougher time.  However, as it stands now they are the clear cut favorite. They look like they will pick up where they started last year.  The loss of the senior WR's will be interesting, because it is notably dropped off over last year. 

[quote name="liltex" post="1407970" timestamp="1369394738"] Last year New Caney added about 1200 new students.Passed a bond for like 30 mill to build a new stadium w/plans for building another new high school.Build it and they will come & there is a giant track of land there as big as Kingwood.Add to that metro folk (Hou interior)are re-locating.I figure the $ was right to step into a higher position in a huge growth area.Wait for it New Caney will soon be competitive say in a cpl yrs. ;) [/quote] New Caney didn't add 1200 students.  Also, the new high school will be built north of the Valley Ranch subdivision....and will likely cut new caney up again. The future of success is in Porter high school or the new high school.  New Caney will remain around 1100-1700 students in the near future

[quote name="aschom78" post="1407449" timestamp="1369281360"] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=111838.msg1407436#msg1407436 date=1369279422] [quote author=ram0524 link=topic=111838.msg1407336#msg1407336 date=1369267309] [quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=111838.msg1407327#msg1407327 date=1369266956] [quote author=dustoff03 link=topic=111838.msg1407323#msg1407323 date=1369266590] [quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=111838.msg1407315#msg1407315 date=1369266203] The only knowledge I need about my team is they opened a can of whoop a** on Vidor.  The conversation begins and ends there.  I mean, can you name any teams in Beaumont that beat SC? [/quote] hey, we acknowledged that loss and gave credit to SC. we didn't whine about enrollment numbers like you did with G-town which by the UIL's COUNT ACTUALLY WAS A BIT SMALLER SCHOOL. [/quote] There is a distinct advantage schools have during their 1st year dropping down.  We saw it with Humble as well.  The real G-Town will stand up this year.  SC was ROBBED of our birth rite.  The UiL added to the pain by setting us up against G-Town in round 2.  That game should have been to determine who went to state.  Neverland and Angleton had no business playing after week 2.  SC would have stomped either squad. [/quote] Whatever you say, besides, SC would have got crushed by Guyer in the state championship. [/quote] Wouldnt have even been close IMO. [/quote] Well no one will ever know, but I wonder about that occasionally. I think Heard would have found it a bit more challenging trying to run circles around SC's defense, just taking sideline to sideline speed into account. However, that Guyer offense could block like none I've seen in high school so maybe he could have run between the takles successfully. Aside from team speed Gtown had the best D in 4a IMO, which leads me to believe SC would have done better on offense against Guyer comparable to Gtown. Who knows, could have been closer than you think if it had happened. [/quote] Totally disagree with you here. Gtown exposed the SC defense, which was weak at the line of scrimmage and in pass coverage.    SC line play on both sides of the ball was below average to bad.  The pass defense was equally as bad.    SC succeeding against defenses that struggled to match up against the bull dawgs speed.  When they met a team that's wide outs were not only disciplined enough to block down field, but run routes....they struggled to keep them out of the endzone.    This is typical with the type of team SC has.  i have seen it dozens of times with Humble over the years.  Speed, and no technique.    They tend to put to much pressure on their LB's to create disruption because their line doesn't get the pressure required.  They end up bringing 6 sometimes 7 man blitzes leaving HUGE gaps in coverage. You can put 11 guys on the field that will blow past you at a track meet.  But if your kids don't understand cap coverage, and you use your LB's as the disruptive force on just about ever play.... Then you are going to pay the price agains teams that are disciplined and patient enough to let the game come to them.    Most teams SC is going to shut down, because they are probably more athletic then most teams...but like a lot of Humble's previous teams....they struggle against coached up kids.    Georgetown reminded me  a lot of The Woodlands teams of the last 3-4 years.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1407452" timestamp="1369282272"] VYPE ‏@VYPE 6h VYPEHouston: Coaching News: Manvel OC Jimmy Klingler likely headed to be New Caney OC. Official announcement... [Hidden Content] I dont know why he left but something just seems strange about this move. [/quote] This is an odd move.  You go from being the OC of Manvel to a head coaching job....not to OC job at a program that has struggled to win 2+ games 4-5 years in a row.   

Yes the sophomore class was good.  And the freshman class last year while raw, has a ton of talent.  I also hear that we have a pretty strong freshman class coming in this year. All sign point to a formable Humble in the near future.  I have a lot of faith in the new head coach.  It wasn't pretty last year, but i haven't seen the Humble players respond so well against adversity in YEARS.  it was the first year i saw the best kid play, rather then the most talented....regardless of experience.  Perhaps that had a lot to do with a very small senior class, perhaps not.  Either way it will pay off huge.

[quote name="bronco pride" post="1403966" timestamp="1368374264"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=111838.msg1403164#msg1403164 date=1368231752] And to be clear.  The multiple starters that are zoned to Humble High School are there because Humble in 2009-2010 failed to track students after they left their campus, and were counted as drop outs.  This put Humble in an Academically Unacceptable rating (since rectified, as the school was a yea later made Academically Recognized.)  This places a 3 year transfer window for any student for any reason to any school.    Summer Creek undoubtedly is athletic and boasts a 5a attendance pool to draw from.  The transfers they got placed them on a pace to compete far sooner then expected.  Imagine if Gregory Hogan had remained the QB running that silly zone read offense they had their first year, WITHOUT Sharp coming in every 2 possessions?  Would we be singing the same praises?  probably not.  This class has 4 kids starting that had Humble just counted the students moving out of there school properly, would of NEVER attended summer creek.      Can you imagine a successful Summer Creek without Sharp?  As talented as they are.....no way. Summer Creek was very blessed to open at the time it did, it was a perfect storm for them to create a very formable team. [/quote]well they all graduate this next year. So i guess we will see what kind of team they continue to field. Just a side not we are talking about a team that has won one playoff game and if this year doesnt pan out it might be a while before they are considered a deep playoff threat. I also think humble will have a good shot at the playoffs. They had some kids last year that looked good but the team just seemed unorganized. Maybe with this coach having a year under his belt things will change. [/quote] Humble has some talent that is for sure, but the team last year was a mess largely because it was almost an entirely new staff  that came in late may with no time to install their system. I have attended several of Humble's practices, and they have a lot more size this year.  They will compete, but until i see them finish an entire game...i will reserve judgement on the possibility of them landing a 4th seed.  They definitely have the horses, it just has to all come together first.  Both lines have improved tremendously, and the defense last year was actually pretty good.    If the offense can manage to sustain drives, then they have a shot at the playoffs.  I still maintain they are a year away from competing for a district title again.

[quote name="aschom78" post="1403893" timestamp="1368323883"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=111838.msg1403164#msg1403164 date=1368231752] And to be clear.  The multiple starters that are zoned to Humble High School are there because Humble in 2009-2010 failed to track students after they left their campus, and were counted as drop outs.  This put Humble in an Academically Unacceptable rating (since rectified, as the school was a yea later made Academically Recognized.)  This places a 3 year transfer window for any student for any reason to any school.    Summer Creek undoubtedly is athletic and boasts a 5a attendance pool to draw from.  The transfers they got placed them on a pace to compete far sooner then expected.  Imagine if Gregory Hogan had remained the QB running that silly zone read offense they had their first year, WITHOUT Sharp coming in every 2 possessions?  Would we be singing the same praises?  probably not.  This class has 4 kids starting that had Humble just counted the students moving out of there school properly, would of NEVER attended summer creek.      Can you imagine a successful Summer Creek without Sharp?  As talented as they are.....no way. Summer Creek was very blessed to open at the time it did, it was a perfect storm for them to create a very formable team. [/quote] Hmm, you sure Sharp and Hogan are in Humble high attendance zones? I know they went to Humble middle, which feeds some into Humble high and some into SC (mainly the neighborhoods closer to the beltway). I just assumed that was where they lived but idk. [/quote] I don't believe i said Hogan was zoned to Humble.  He attended Ross Sterling middle, but he wasn't to my knowledge in the attendance zone. I know for a fact, that 4 starters for Summer Creek reside in the humble high school attendance zone.    I live in their neighborhood, i coached some of them and against them when they were in little league, and i remember a good friend of mine on the old Humble staff tell me that they had lost 5 kids that would be key contributors to SC due to the PEG listing.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1405857" timestamp="1368845538"] So CE King should be expecting a bigger enrollment in the coming years? [/quote] CE King should become a 5A (6A) school in the next 10-15 years, and i wouldn't be surprised to see movement towards a second High school.      currently Sheldon ISD is considered a rural ISD, much like Humble ISD was 20-25 years ago...i expect to change to some extent with at leas 1 5a school and a 4a in the next 20 years for sheldon.

[quote name="WinningatSC" post="1404451" timestamp="1368544911"] "South of Lake Houston was the old district but do they still have all of that because now Liberty Lakes south of 90 and the developments to the west are Sheldon ISD too now." This new development is immediately south of Deussen Park/Lake Houston, north of Beltway 8, and immediately northwest of Sheldon ISD. It looks like it will be in Humble ISD. [b] Also, the last I heard, Humble ISD has plans for two more high schools. [/b] and you still need to work on your mentality of stereotypes, and perceptions. [/quote] negative. and here is a map of the district along with the Demographic report to show you that even a 15 year out projection at high growth doesn't show two high schools... [Hidden Content]

[quote name="WinningatSC" post="1404340" timestamp="1368495739"] Generation Park is supposed to build 3000 apartments across Beltway 8 from Summer Creek High. It is not known yet if they will be zoned to Humble ISD. If they are zoned to HISD, the planned 6th new high school in HISD will be built sooner than later. The 4,000-acre wooded site off the northeastern elbow of Beltway 8, has sold the first major tract in Generation Park to FMC Technologies, makers of subsea, wellhead and other equipment for the oil and gas industry. FMC Technologies purchased 173 acres on the west side of Beltway 8 and is assessing its plans for the site. [/quote] there are no plans for apartments as of yet for GP.  if their are multi-family units built they will be Luxury apartments, and be less then 3,000.  Generation Park is a Master planned business park, focusing on families and college students studying engineering (as they plan to attempt to lure college engineering programs to build schools).    Their is also NO plan for a 6th High school as of yet.  Its not even in the planning phase, its not considered necessary.  they built Summer Creek 5 years before they needed to.  Simply put, the area is going to hit a point in which their will be no room for additional high schools and be effectively built out.  Summer Creek is around 2100 students, nearly 1500 students away from its capacity.  Humble High School is only built to 2400 student capacity with the capacity to expand to 3600 (they have several measures in places to do this.  One of them is to remake Ross Sterling Middle to a 9th grade center.)    the plan has always been to rezone the boundaries once Summer Creek reaches capacity (actually before then).  Politics were in play, and its is going to cost Tax payers more.....but it was the plan non-the-less.    The objective was to accelerate growth with a new high school, and then fill Humble back up.  The neighborhoods of north of beltway 8, east of Williams Gully are to be zoned back to Humble.  They attempted to do it this past year, but met parental opposition.  However it WILL happen, because it needs to when the land north or Sunset Ridge west is opened for development....and GP brings an estimated 100,000 jobs to the area (which will be shared by Sheldon ISD and Humble ISD).    Humble HS will see additional growth with new developments like Townsen's Landing (south of Spring creek and San Jac Fork) and estimated 500 homes will be brought there.  As well as the developments of Rustic Pines (East of Turner stadium) and Atascocita Heights ( south of Laurel place on Atascocita Rd) All that being said.... still would have to clear 3000 HS students in the next 15 years (unlikely) to fill current capacity before even drawing up plans for a 6th.    The need for Summer Creek was not there, and i couldn't imagine how the board would sell a 6th high school and waste nearly 300 million dollars another facility when expansion would cost  less than 1/4 of that cost.. so the short version.... no 6th high school, and those supposed 3000 apts (which would be high end luxury) would be zoned to Sheldon ISD.....as NONE of Generation Park sits inside Humble ISD.

And to be clear.  The multiple starters that are zoned to Humble High School are there because Humble in 2009-2010 failed to track students after they left their campus, and were counted as drop outs.  This put Humble in an Academically Unacceptable rating (since rectified, as the school was a yea later made Academically Recognized.)  This places a 3 year transfer window for any student for any reason to any school.    Summer Creek undoubtedly is athletic and boasts a 5a attendance pool to draw from.  The transfers they got placed them on a pace to compete far sooner then expected.  Imagine if Gregory Hogan had remained the QB running that silly zone read offense they had their first year, WITHOUT Sharp coming in every 2 possessions?  Would we be singing the same praises?  probably not.  This class has 4 kids starting that had Humble just counted the students moving out of there school properly, would of NEVER attended summer creek.      Can you imagine a successful Summer Creek without Sharp?  As talented as they are.....no way. Summer Creek was very blessed to open at the time it did, it was a perfect storm for them to create a very formable team.

[quote name="SummerCreek it is!" post="1402729" timestamp="1368145577"] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=111838.msg1402726#msg1402726 date=1368144904] [quote author=SCDAWGS link=topic=111838.msg1402723#msg1402723 date=1368143829] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=111838.msg1402716#msg1402716 date=1368142700] [quote author=SCDAWGS link=topic=111838.msg1402714#msg1402714 date=1368141484] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=111838.msg1402713#msg1402713 date=1368141246] Maybe they'll make it past the second round this year.  ;)    8) [/quote] Maybe Vidor makes the playoffs this year ;) [/quote] I'd worry about your own team first scdawgs.    ;) [/quote] You speak as if you're new to this forum. You know what we have returning not to mention the transfer's. ;) [/quote] Oh I am we'll aware of what sc has lost and what they are bringing back including transfers.  8) [/quote] Summer Creek was good before the transfer....and I do believe there's only 1 transfer [/quote] Summer Creek is as good as they entirely because of transfers.  Don't get me wrong, i support them.  But lets get real here.    The QB, the center piece to their success, is a kid zoned to Humble.  I assume he was highly fought over by the two coaching staffs at the time.    remove him, and SC is just a very athletic team that loses games they should win.....Ala Ike or Nimitz. That being said, Good luck to the dawgs.  I wish them well until they match up against my Cats.    The Wildcats will be young again, but i saw a couple of practices and we are much faster and bigger then last year.  We should be far more competitive (thank god) then last year.    We  MAY make the playoffs in a 4th place squeak finish, but it will be hard.  Coach West is doing an outrageously good job.   

[quote name="aschom78" post="1368707" timestamp="1359677185"] My prediction for 19-4a is: Champ: Summer Creek #2: Crosby #3: Barbers Hill #4: Dayton #5: C.E. King #6: Kingwood Park #7: Porter #8: Humble #9: New Caney [/quote] 1. Summer Creek 2. Crosby 3. Dayton 4. BH 5. Humble 6. Kingwood park 7. CE KING 8. Porter 9. New Caney

[quote name="SummerCreek it is!" post="1343468" timestamp="1354044439"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=106719.msg1343412#msg1343412 date=1354038908] [quote author=SummerCreek it is! link=topic=106719.msg1343123#msg1343123 date=1353983111] How will Hum look if you dont mind me asking? ;D and Kpark? [/quote] You should see Humble improve a great deal over what they put on the field this past year.  What we all witnessed was a convulgance of the worst possible outcomes coming to fruition. 1. Humble head coach for the last 8 years stepped down, and Coach Charles West (OC from State champion Dekaney Wildcats) was hired.  He was hired and brought in Early april.  Not enough time for him to have spring ball.    2. Staff turnover wasn't completed until August. 3. Brand new staff, brand new system, and a bunch of kids who have been used to the previous head coach way of doing things. 4. 2 starters returning from a 4-6 team.  A small depleted Senior class (Thank you SC) 5. Fall practice was used to install a brand new system. The result, a 2-8 season.  One in which the offense never got any footing .  Suprisingly (much to my disbelief) The defense was actually very good.  I know that it didn't seem that way to those that watched, but that DC knows what he is doing.  The kids are raw, but the scheme is VERY effective.  They just had to play 35-40 of the 48 minutes and were bruised and battered by the 4th game in.  If the offense can come along, they will be a handful for the top 4 teams.  Now i won't say they make a playoff spot, but they will challange for who ever is 4th best team. We saw glimpses of what they could do, but circumstances just didn't allow for that tree to bare fruit.  I mean they were doing pretty good against a much deeper and more experianced SC team.  had them what?  14-5 at halftime.  We just didn't have the gas to run with them for another two quarters. ill say 6-4 or 7-3. [/quote] yea I was at that game, SC came out like they already had the win...they played down to their competition that night..... I hear they lost a lot of seniors this year.....that will be interesting to see how they turn out.... [/quote] We lost letterman, but not many starters or even contributers.  id say we return about 8 starters, 4 on each side of the ball.  Which is not great, but its a good foundation.    And when people always say "We played down to the compeititon" its an excuse.  SC did come out expecting Humble to lay down for them....and Humble didn't.  Gave them a half...then reality sunk it and their offense wasn't nearly good enough to move the ball, and the defense was dead tired.

[quote name="SummerCreek it is!" post="1343123" timestamp="1353983111"] How will Hum look if you dont mind me asking? ;D and Kpark? [/quote] You should see Humble improve a great deal over what they put on the field this past year.  What we all witnessed was a convulgance of the worst possible outcomes coming to fruition. 1. Humble head coach for the last 8 years stepped down, and Coach Charles West (OC from State champion Dekaney Wildcats) was hired.  He was hired and brought in Early april.  Not enough time for him to have spring ball.    2. Staff turnover wasn't completed until August. 3. Brand new staff, brand new system, and a bunch of kids who have been used to the previous head coach way of doing things. 4. 2 starters returning from a 4-6 team.  A small depleted Senior class (Thank you SC) 5. Fall practice was used to install a brand new system. The result, a 2-8 season.  One in which the offense never got any footing .  Suprisingly (much to my disbelief) The defense was actually very good.  I know that it didn't seem that way to those that watched, but that DC knows what he is doing.  The kids are raw, but the scheme is VERY effective.  They just had to play 35-40 of the 48 minutes and were bruised and battered by the 4th game in.  If the offense can come along, they will be a handful for the top 4 teams.  Now i won't say they make a playoff spot, but they will challange for who ever is 4th best team. We saw glimpses of what they could do, but circumstances just didn't allow for that tree to bare fruit.  I mean they were doing pretty good against a much deeper and more experianced SC team.  had them what?  14-5 at halftime.  We just didn't have the gas to run with them for another two quarters. ill say 6-4 or 7-3. 

[quote name="OctFeb" post="1343102" timestamp="1353981817"] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=106719.msg1343079#msg1343079 date=1353980540] Sc crosby and bh will all be fine next year. Everybody just giving sc a hard time. [b]In all honesty dayton will be fighting for a 4th place finish [/b]and I hope someone from 19 4a is able to make a deep run. Im stuck going to watch ned and dawson now. [/quote] And why do you think this? I don't believe that for one second. [/quote] Dayton will not struggle for 4th, but they will be more even with the rest of the district next year.  They are a playoff team for sure, but it will be a fight for a District Championship.  Next years 19-4a looks to be far more competitive.

Unfortunately for SC, they will probably see just as early an exit.  Region 3 looks to be much stronger next year, and SC will probably be about the same.  Probably with a weaker offense...lose two of your best WR and your RB's, those type of losses are 50/50 depending on who have you behind them.  Torrey Johnson will be good, but i am skeptical about the rest. How many "Starters" are returning for SC, and by starters....people who started at least 7 games this season?

[quote name="SummerCreek it is!" post="1342618" timestamp="1353903412"] [quote author=HUM398 link=topic=106719.msg1342608#msg1342608 date=1353903139] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=106719.msg1342601#msg1342601 date=1353902821] NS 03 was loaded. Bobby Reid was a beast in high school. [/quote] That team was beyond loaded.  That team looked and played like a D2 College football team.  They were disgusting.  I was at Turner when they thrashed a very talented Humble team.  That year we had a total of 6 or 7 kids that would sign LOI for D1 universities before their time at Humble was done.    Not to mention our Offensive line was MASSIVE...two kids over 6'5 300lbs, and i think the average weight was 280.    It should of been a game......and it wasn't. That was a sick sick football team [/quote] Who is your son on the Humble team? Or are you just a SC hater? [/quote] No reason to hate SC.  Ive coached most of those boys in little league.  I have just watched alot of HS football, and i have a firm grasp on what you can expect from your head coach.  I also know a little bit about what plagues our kids in Humble ISD when it comes to playoff early exits.    SC is a very athletic team, and that convinced enough of you they were good enough to go toe to toe with the rest of the state.... Well its not.  ive seen teams with far more talent do far less, so you have that going for you.  i have also seen teams with far less talent go alot further then yall did.    Its not a matter of speed, or athleticism.  Its a matter of an entirety of a program.

[quote name="bronco pride" post="1342613" timestamp="1353903293"] Please revise what. I said d1 talent. Did not see 1 senior on sc as a top 300 [/quote] i didn't mean to quote you.  Revise SC posters statement about d1 talent.