Cougar14.2

3 hours ago, Cougtalk said:

I don't want to see Cougar14.2 claiming he liked this hire in three years. 

Here's the truth about Crosby's challenges. 

1) The Admin post Rio has been a revolving door/temp service until the newest Super arrived. She is extremely well liked in the community from everything I've read, people I've talked to. The football/athletics aren't getting as much special treatment as they used to and academics are clearly the Supers focus. 

2) The HS hasn't had a principal last more than a year or two for a while. What are we on 4 Principals in 5 years at start of next year? 

3) Parents are entitled as heck in the district and think their little Johnny is the greatest thing since sliced bread even tho they would simply be toast if let on the field. This district has a huge problem with parents blaming staff for everything and not taking accountability for their kids. 

4) You aren't the biggest, highest paying, most talented or most stable job in the immediate area. 

 

This being said when we hired Coach P we were more unstable, less successful, had a super that clearly was there just to be the axeman and had major financial issues.  No one can say that's not a positive trajectory it's just not a linear increase. 

 

 

You won't. After Levi graduates I doubt I even care about Crosby athletics anymore. I'll take my classmate's advice, who's the assistant AD in Galena Park ISD, and probably move my other sons to North Shore where there's a lot more stability and opportunity. I was asked during his sophomore year at the powerlifting meet to bring him to Channelview. I let him make the choice and he wanted to stay and now his recruiting has been killed because of it. My next son to play varsity is who I refer to as my "prize steer", I won't be allowing the trash that goes on at Crosby to cause detriment to any of his future chances. Willis will probably be gone in three years anyway, I think he was just searching for a place little Johnny could play without much blowback from the community. It's so bad right now I bet he could probably go 12-18 in that three year stretch and still keep his job. Supt will say "but look what he did in 2012!" 

36 minutes ago, Concerned Citizen said:

70% damn, isn't Crosby (not alone) short as an aggregate on teachers? Crosby need to shore up the move-ins (i.e. Branch and Dunn...). Sure there is plenty of home grown talent, but that 21 class was full of move-ins. This is where a hire like Mr. Hurts would have been vital, coached in all the areas surrounding Crosby (Baytown and CV). Another aspect that many don't speak on, Riordan was a good communicator/recruiter and kids wanted to play for him. He felt comfortable going anywhere and sitting in many livings rooms/kitchen tables.

Yeah, the few that are still left are meeting with him individually this week and finding out their fates. IDK if it's to let the kids have camp time or because he wanted more time to build his staff but Summer workouts aren't even starting until June 12th this year instead of the Monday after school like normal. Seems like you would want the kids out there ASAP considering you'll only have 3.5 days on the job before he kids are out for the Summer.

I think the four day week got the teacher shortage taken care of. The pay scale is also getting closer to where it should be for a town with Crosby's tax base.  

50 minutes ago, MrFleet23 said:

Rio had an open check book 😂 those days are probably over. At least fix the damn practice f and game field. From what I understand she plans to do that. Rio practices were high energy. Practiced on the game field with music playing. Probably why they had so many false starts. Lol

I heard the same thing this weekend but why did we have to get to this point before she decided to give in to a basic ask that any decent coach is going to have for his kids? You can tell she's feeling the pressure because she made sure the practice fields and game field information got out to the "correct" people. 

Riordan and Prieto were loved by the players and community, yet both had to leave due to administrative issues. Sounds like Willis might be the right fit after all? I'm sure he'll be overjoyed when he walks out on the practice field and watch kids try to dodge sprained ankles while they karaoke before practice. Maybe he can finally get the new helmets Coach P was asking for or different jerseys than the ones we wore at state three years ago?

The supt. wouldn't even give Coach P money to fix the field house my dad worked out in in the 70's that the kids still use to this day. Crosby is a lot better job on the surface than it is once  you get below it. Nothing near the trajectory it was when Riordan took over for Flannigan. 

20 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

LOL. Didnt you say that Crosby hired a 60 year old coach? What is the specific age when coaches forget how to coach? Can they coach if they are 40? 45? Where is the cut? I am assuming that it is at least "50" since you found out the coach was not "60". 

 

I was being facetious when I said "60 years old", guess that's a little tough to pick up for the guys that used DOS? I'm sure Coach Hurts is about 50 and I think he would've been a great at Crosby. Reginald Samples is probably over 60 and just won his first state title, Willie Williams wasn't from off from that at La Vega when he won his first title. It's about the culture fit, which is a lot closer to Tyler than anything comparable to Cedar Park. 

On 5/18/2023 at 7:38 PM, Matthew328 said:

Willis is barely over 50....I could tell when he originally retired that he wasn't done....he's got a lot of fire and energy left....he's well thought of by many in Tyler, it didnt work out there mainly because IMO of how the district operates athletics.....2023 is probably going to be tough, but I think it was likely going to be tough if Prieto stayed as well...

If Eudy plays QB and we found some trench guys Crosby had a chance to be extremely good this year. There are no holes in any of the offensive skill positions or on the back 7 of the defense.

Hiring a guy 4 days before school is over doesn't bode well for any success though. Coach P came late in '19 and it was six weeks into the season before we could even line up correctly in his offense, hence the .500 finish. I see a lot of the same in store. It's an even worse situation now since about 70% of the coaching staff has left/is leaving too. 

On 5/18/2023 at 5:31 PM, Reagan said:

If Crosby wins the District in 2 or 3 years and makes a run for the State Title in, say, the 5th year, NOBODY is going to care if he's 30 years old or 100 years old.  Winning solves A LOT of problems!  

Example:  Just like at PNG, the new coach took them to State.  Now everyone is saying -- Faircloth who?  Why, because the new coach was young?  NO -- because he won!!

I'm not sure I've heard a Crosby fan talking about winning the district in over a decade? Not that we don't want to but it's kind of the lowest form of accomplishment(to us) outside of finishing 4th in the district. Two of the last three times Crosby went to the semifinals we didn't even win the district outright. PNG is in a different situation than Crosby, it's a more ready made situation to win there. 

Crosby hired a guy based on what he did a decade ago at a school that's nothing like ours. You look at the last 8 years of his record and probably not too many people are excited about getting a guy that's 54-42. Winning does solve everything but why not hire a guy that's winning at a school similar to yours already? 

On 5/18/2023 at 3:40 PM, Concerned Citizen said:

I agree with you that Eudy needs to the be the QB. But come on, you gotta have more faith in Crosby finishing over .500 (LOL). Seriously I already hear of some issues in the program. That GCM (original Crosby tho) kid you are talking about, I hear some on the staff are playing politics and might not give him the run he needs. Did the same to the older brother. This comes straight from the Dad's mouth, no second hand info. As a Sophomore he was the leading receiver at GCM, so he can definitely catch the ball and pretty decent on the Bball court too.  Well he better sick to football, cause he definitely aint gonna get love from that wanna be BBall coach (ain't worth saying the name). I guess the politic is remnants from the parents moving them 2 years ago, not a talent issue. Thus you have confirmed his abilities as a slot receiver.

Not since Kevin Flannigan left has a Crosby football coach played politics. Riordan wouldn't let some kids play defense but that wasn't politics, that was his coaching philosophy. The GCM receiver is going to start and might be asked to play both ways, he's literally been force fed the ball during 7 on 7 this offseason (games his dad and I watched together). The reason they left is more basketball related, they didn't feel Haggerty was enough of a team player and basketball was important to them so they went to GCM. The older brother isn't the level of athlete at the younger brother  

On 5/18/2023 at 12:48 PM, 89Falcon said:

I have no doubt the kids did not appreciate losing the other coach but they could care less about the age of the new coach. You drew a lot of conclusions that are not known by assuming the hiring parties logic. The "2-8 guy" is also a "State Champion guy".

The kids will make their assessment as the program gets implemented. If it goes well they forget that Prieto was ever there. If it goes poorly there will be second guessing. There is nothing wrong with the hire on paper. It is just not what "you" wanted.  

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about Crosby. The best that happened to Crosby was hiring Jeff Riordan. It was such a night and day difference between him and Flannigan. Young ~35 year old guy that elevated our participation rates made the game/practice fun for the kids instead of the old school way Flannigan went about it that turned kids off and had nothing but core kids coming out. Prieto was 36 when we hired him and he continue that trend. 

Most important thing is where they came from and what they won with though. Both offensive minded coaches which went hand in hand with your personnel that the Crosby community produces. Both coached in places where the talent was in the 65%-75% percentile and beat pretty much everyone they could when the talent gap wasn't too large. 

The hiring party's logic is that the community was incensed about losing the coach and the safe hire was someone that could mitigate questions on her intent getting rid of Coach P.  

On 5/18/2023 at 4:53 PM, AledoAlumni said:

Almost happened last year with that coach you like. Aledo played against Coach Willis lead teams in '14-'15 (CP) & '16-'17 (CH). From my experience his teams play hard and don't quit. I think y'all got a good coach. 

Only difference is Crosby doesn't have the Hutchins Twins(Thomas Hutchins 5A player of the year), Myles Cheatum, an NFL caliber left tackle and average about 6'3" and 285lbs across the line of scrimmage. Other than that we're just like those Cedar Park teams. Aledo didn't blast Crosby because y'all were just unbelievable at the skill positions, it was because we couldn't compete at the line of scrimmage. We still have those issues. 

3 minutes ago, Cougtalk said:

Three years into his coaching reign and you don't give him credit for those schemes? Seems like your looking for reasons to discredit the guy. You don't seem to be that guy from my interactions with you so is the beef legitimately you just preferred Hurts? 

I preferred Nick Codutti and two other before Hurts, instead we got the senior citizen 

33 minutes ago, Cougtalk said:

I get it but I also am not going to blast the new coach because of the admins decision. I'm hoping he turns out to be high quality and brings something to the program that helps make us contenders. His son not playing on a bad team his Freshman year might be because the coach knew how bad the team was. Hopefully his son is a good QB and solves that issue for the next three years, if he's not then maybe we get a Branch situation in the near future. 

One thing I will say is the motions that they did at Cedar Park were the talk of Coaching for several years about how they opened up and exploited defenses with their personnel. I'm hoping we get CP Willis not Tyler Willis because the talent at Crosby is going to be way closer to CP than Tyler. 

I remember vividly coaches going up to CP for camps to learn those motion offenses. Also, possibly the most talented team in Crosby's history got absolutely obliterated by a Willis Coached team in 2014. 

Those weren't Joe Willis' schemes, those were put in place by Chris Ross who built the CP program into what it was before Willis took over in 2012 and won a title. The offenses he ran at CH and TL don't look anything like those smash mouth offenses he ran at CP. You could run that at CP because at that time they were probably the most physically imposing team in the class.

That '14 team probably isn't even top 5, we just got a great draw by going D-II and ran through a bunch of Beaumont, Port Lavaca and a down Brenham. We were better in '15 but drew a powerhouse FB Ridge Point in the 2nd round 

I'm not at all bashing the coach, I just believe we could've done better. We have some certified thoroughbreds about to come through the program and I don't want to see them wasted on a guy standing in or someone who isn't totally engaged. Not saying Willis won't be but I feel a lot more certain other guys would've been. 

Ross, Willis and Abseck were great at CP because of how great CP naturally was at the line of scrimmage. CH was recruited pretty well on o-line also. Yet, you can give him an Alabama caliber RB and defensive linemen at TL and he can't get over .500 because there's not that wide gap in physicality he had at CP. I do like that fact that he's multiple in his offensive scheme though.

On 5/3/2023 at 11:04 AM, WOSdrummer99 said:

I think @AledoAlumni implys it could be a more toxic situation now. Leading to less interest and application. 

And having 3 good coaches in row is not unheard of. But if there's no true hiring process and it's a rubber stamp whatever the Supt says. Good luck.

I don't know the entire application list but I was actually floored by the quality of candidates we had. Maybe it's the $140k that I heard Ricky Tullos got offered that made the list more appealing but in her somewhat defense she used the same hiring committee process that got us Prieto. 

Now in actuality the way we got the last two coaches was because Dr. Moore knew Riordan from being out in East Texas and our interim supt. before this one knew Coach P from his days in Cypress ISD. With the quality of candidates it was going to be hard for her to "mess up" the hire though. Those resumes from guys with rings just took precedent over ones from coaches like the one from Fort Bend that doesn't have any but it well on his way to being an NCAA coach  

On 5/2/2023 at 11:26 AM, AledoAlumni said:

Is making the playoffs now in question? Or do you still feel confident yall can make the tournament?

Very good chance we miss the party for the 2nd time in 19 years 

21 minutes ago, Cougtalk said:

He was a Freshman TBF. 

You know how critical I am of questionable stuff and I'm here to tell you I would've been 1000% Prieto starting starting his son at QB as a freshman if Eudy didn't play. Kid is an absolute stud and would've broken every passing record at the school except for maybe Kellen Haynes single season yards record. Remember that freshman QB that touched us up in the A&M Consol. game, little Prieto had that level talent. 

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

LOL. You think the kids are thinking "we will not play for a 60 year old coach"? 

The kids that are dead set on playing football are going to play regardless. If you hire Averion Hurts, then you can pull Raelon Singleton's out of the hallway like Riordan did. It gives you immediate clout with the Summer Creek, CE King, North Shore and Baytown kids we've picked up as contributors in the recent past. Especially the quarterbacks and receivers. If you didn't like that then hire the guy out of Fort Bend. If you don't like that then hire the West Texas coach who cut his teeth in North Shore and knows how this area works.

Instead of those younger guys, you go hire a retiree so you can go to the school board, which called you out for lying to them, and say "I got a coach that won a state title". Crosby ain't Colleyville and it definitely ain't Cedar Park. The kids are p.o.'d that their coach got pushed out and "now we have to play for this 2-8 guy". 

6 minutes ago, Cougtalk said:

One thing that makes some sense is his son is a Sophomore QB for Tyler Legacy... so your bringing in the coaches son at QB quite possibly as well. I think his retirement was a façade to find a better program for his kids to play for. Just speculation ofc. 

Yeah, and Willis didn't play him over a kid that completed 44% of his passes with 5tds and 8 ints on the season

On 5/2/2023 at 12:12 PM, MrFleet23 said:

Shouldn’t be. For whatever reason CHS didn’t look like a 5AD1 team last yr. OL and DL were tiny. Not looking forward to them being bigger this coming yr either. However next yrs FR have shut out North Shore and CE Kings feeder schools as well as swept the district in BBall two yrs in a row. First time I’ve ever seen Crosby kids line up and be bigger physically than those schools mentioned. 5AD1 is a different animal. La Porte is building BH is building and PA has a steady influx of talent. Whomever takes over at CHS will need the support of the Sup and the Community to be successful. 

Man, if Eudy doesn't play next year we might go 4-6. Yes, the incoming freshman beat the four CE King and North Shore middle schools by an average of about 40ppg but that was with little Prieto playing QB and throwing about 40 tds. He's gone now. If Eudy doesn't play then he would've been the starter. With the other 8th grade QB transferring to BH since he wasn't going to beat out Prieto we now have no viable QBs in the entire program outside of Eudy. 

It sucks for the program because we were actually going to put some Crosby level talent on the field this year. The skill kids are healthy and the line of scrimmage looks like it was going to be improved over last year. If the kids don't transfer out we're going to have six WRs to choose from that are over 6' tall. The GCM transfer might be the nicest slot receiver we've had for a long while. With all the turmoil I just don't see how Crosby finishes any better than .500 though?   

17 hours ago, MrFleet23 said:

I would’ve liked to see someone younger. He’s had tremendous success at CP but no where else. Someone 36-46 with enough piss and vinegar to get the kids up and buying in. Not a someone their pawpaw age. 

Supt. went completely away from what was working. She made a desperation hire to keep the roof from caving in on her. Only way she knew to save face is to bring in a re-tread that people wouldn't try to remove her for. 

I agree though. I don't think Willis is a great fit and I think the game has passed him by to an extent. Crosby is kind of similar to TL in the sense that you have to keep kids "engaged" and he wasn't a great fit there. We had the opportunity to hire some legit needle-movers but the supt. doesn't know enough about athletics to be able to evaluate coaches and make an informed decision. Hiring a 60 year old guy kids couldn't care less about playing for is going to drop the participation rate down lower than it already is.

The stuff Coach P asked for that caused the supt. to ego trip is the same stuff a new coach is going to ask for soon as he gets here. Considering her son was a star receiver here it's baffling that she doesn't have the first clue about what's needed to keep your athletic programs competitive. 

Since we spent $20k on a coaching search committee instead of giving Coach P that money to fix the practice fields I'm pretty sure the applicant list will never be released. We had a guy from "the" West Texas school that wanted the job badly, we had maybe the hottest young coach on the SW side of town that wanted it, we had the guy at the closest school in proximity to Crosby High interested. Instead we go with grandpa who's probably just there to take the $140k for a few years to help his retirement and not make any waves. Smh, what a **** show 

1 hour ago, PNGFaithful said:

I thought you said PNG would never make it to state?

That was before the 5A classification split. If you go back and search I said “Splitting the classification is the best thing that could’ve happened to this area.” It’s the main reason Crosby went to state. For instance, in the old format College Station, Lamar Fulshear, Angleton, Crosby and BH all would’ve been in the same R3-5A-D2 bracket with PNG this year. Not saying y’all still wouldn’t have went to state, just saying that would’ve been the bracket. 
 

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the SETX 5A-D2 district is sending their 2nd team to the finals in 5 years since the split. The district has also played in 3/5 semifinals since the split. You still have to be great to get there but the classification splits have been extremely beneficial in general to this coverage area. 

PNG about to party like it’s 1999🎉 Congrats to the Indians! There’s nothing like seeing your boys in Jerry World. It would make a huge statement around the state if y’all could win it. 

If Wilson can play as clean as he did this week PAM has a shot. LV plays a lot of 0 coverage so they can blitz but PAM’s o-line is just decent enough that they might be able to hold up for Wilson to get the ball down the field and their receivers can definitely win some matchups in the passing game. You can’t drop back and throw it every play though so I think the question is how to manufacture rushing yards. If they can figure that out it’s probably going to be a good game regardless of what PAM does on defense. 
 

PAM is probably going to struggle on defense. Wakeland threw her ball very effectively on PAM last night but there were some gaps in the running game too. LV’s QB is nowhere near as good as FW’s in the passing game but he’ll pull it down and run it and there was miles of space if FW’s QB would’ve done that last night. PAM is going to have to get that fixed. Jalen Hale is a high rated four star but he’s not as impactful in the passing game as that Riordan kid was. It’s all about slowing down Tatum and defending the play-action, which has been awful tough this year. 
 

PAM is the bigger, faster team and has the better athletes but I think this will be a game where it’s drastically obvious the difference on the sideline. 

On 11/12/2022 at 6:40 AM, BHFAN said:

Oh hell no! Lobo’s give it to them! Crosby fans need a taste of humility sometimes or they just get straight obnoxious.  I garuntee you if the Coogs would have won this they would have spammed message boards till Christmas 

They can keep it coming at us. We've won some important one and lost a bunch of them too. All the "told you so" just comes with the territory. No matter how much speak on Crosby I guarantee none of our posters will whine about being picked on because nobody like us. 

On 11/12/2022 at 5:21 PM, Socrates said:

You don't even have a place in this discussion, you wouldn't know class if you signed up for it, you never post anything positive about anything, just troll and hate.

 

Dude is from South Splendora, other than driving through The Commons this is the most interesting thing he does all day. 

On 11/12/2022 at 4:55 PM, BHFAN said:

2 years out of 80 don’t make you a dynasty. Take success with humility.

So what does 4 total playoff wins over like 13 years with three state championship coaches make you? Lol, BH was literally one point away from the same season Crosby just had. It's good now though, the best player on your team transferred to Crosby and Abseck is going to have to vote "yes" on all of our remaining transfers, like the North Shore kids, now since y'all have had some questionable acquisitions in other sports.

Just to correct you statement, Crosby has played 5 December playoff games and won three regional titles in the 7 years prior to this one though. We needed some things to go right this year for Crosby to be able to maximize this team's ability and they didn't, that just part of it. We're excited about next year super excited about the next few years after that when Coach P will fall into the caliber of talent as those Riordan teams. 

You never want it to end like it did but the consensus you got from the fans leaving the stadium Friday was that we were due for a year like this. In '11, '15, '18 and now '22 injuries were detrimental, seems like that's the case for us every 3-4 years. Little 14 broke his collar bone and missed three games but was still able to fight back and earn a unanimous first team all-district selection but all in all we're just glad it's over.