Dick Vitale

[quote name="speechless" post="1166818" timestamp="1327683895"] Hang on now....so today Central and Ozen have more talent than Nederland. Yesterday, Ozen had no talent but, were straight up "coached" to the state tournament on a regular basis. Which is it? [/quote] If you were not always trying to plug holes, you may learn something....Its not earth shattering for a team to have more talent than Nederland...The team in 2007 that WON REGION 3 AND PLAYED FOR THE STATE TITLE, was on the same level TALENT WISE as this team in 2012 at Ozen...So yes...Ozen was well coached in the past and ALWAYS HAD MORE TALENT than Nederland.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1166796" timestamp="1327682587"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94937.msg1166775#msg1166775 date=1327680501] ???...explain "looking the other way"...please. [/quote] Hmmm- Could "looking away" possibly imply that some schools who are doing questionable things might run encounter some additional questioning? [/quote] So what would they question in 3A that they would not in 4A? They ARE both in the UIL.... ::) ::)..would it be to the perceived "big city" advantage that you spoke of on another thread, nash? ::) ::)

Nash I am talking about THIS season....Nederland is a good ball club..they are well coached and are having a great season...Its not about the "big city" stuff as you put it..My honest opinion? I feel HJ and Silsbee will be just fine going against them in the coming years..Has NOTHING to do with where they are...I am talking here and now...Greg Wise (Yates head coach) is a friend of our family and has been for years and is a Madison alum...HE CAN COACH TOO...So with the talent they have NOW, and him on the sideline, no matter how "unimpressed" with them when you saw them play, I will be willing to bet you that they would beat Nederland by NO LESS than 20 in a playoff situation. On the flip side of that, I KNOW that Wheatley is up and down, but they're style of play, dictates that...so you may see them one night and THINK they are not very good, and then face them and get your socks blown off. IMO...I will say again..IMO...Nederland cannot beat either of these teams.

Central beat Wheatley with 3 kids OUT at the Gamble tourney in OT..no surprise there....CENTRAL HAS TALENT....I was in attendance...and as far as your allegations of Yates recruiting goes, thats between them and the UIL, and so far the UIL has not even questioned Yates' kids, so why are you? I will wait until playoff time and bet you a bald haircut that Yates OR Wheatley would put a "DUB" (20) on the 20-4A champion, WHOEVER that may be... ::) ::).  8)

???...explain "looking the other way"...please.

WOW...AAW, thats going to be a HUGE shift for HISD and 3A basketball...Really, how do you guys feel about having to play Yates and Wheatley to get out of region 3? seriously, this is HUGE...

[quote name="stevenash" post="1166762" timestamp="1327679383"] Sure, its "supposed" to be that way.  Can you tell me why it's "supposed" to be that way?  Better yet, can you tell me why if it is "supposed" to be that way that it certainly is not?  The new reality is that the "old reality" simply doesn't exist.  Can you visualize Elgin Baylor saying " wow, I wish I could be 28 years old and get on the court with LeBron James- I would show him a thing or two ? [/quote] OK...The truth of the matter is this...Ozen and Central should be beating Nederland like a drum...They SHOULD be based on the rosters alone...However, being that Nederland has THE best basketball coach in 20-4A right now, Its hasn't happened...Stop trying to pretend like it's a "thing of the past"...Ozen and Central are more talented than Nederland RIGHT NOW, but you and I both know that talent can only take you so far....How would you think that this Nederland squad would match up against say.....Houston Yates right now? I KNOW WHO I WOULD PICK..... ::) ::)

Nah, actually I heard Houston Yates, will not be moved to 3A, although it was discussed...I did hear that Wheatley and Kashmere were definitely dropping to 3A...may change the dynamics in region 3 basketball for sure.

Houston YATES possibly dropping to 3A too?? :o :o...Oh well...looks like there is DEFINITELY going to be a new sherriff in 3A!! WHOA NELLY!! Maybe HJ and Silsbee will go to 2A?  ;D ;D 8)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1166751" timestamp="1327678330"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94929.msg1166742#msg1166742 date=1327677479] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=94929.msg1166739#msg1166739 date=1327677022] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94929.msg1166653#msg1166653 date=1327671233] On another note.....Nederland hasn't WON anything!!! 8)....Calm down.... [/quote] Guess that depends on your interpretation of "won anything".  Last I checked, there is a certain 27 game streak that is causing many detractors a considerable amount of consternation as evidenced by their efforts to discredit what Nederland has done.  Of course, if Cotton Robinson was still coaching at Buna, there is NO WAY Nederland could have done this well. >:( [/quote] That IS funny, but the truth of the matter remains.....They HAVEN'T won anything, yet...Not that they won't, but celebrating district wins? I don't know, maybe I take winning district for granted, but it was NEVER really a big deal to me, because it was ROUTINE!! (I am really pouring it on now!! ;D ;D)....Relax guys, its all in good humor.... 8) [/quote] I can certainly understand your perspective on this.  Based upon your comments, can we reasonably conclude that if Ozen or Central beats Nederland you will have ABSOLUTELY NO comment because it will be highly insignificant? [/quote] Oh, well some "back to realities", or some "I told you so" or "things are somewhat back to normal" or something like that, but, yeah you 're right, not much else other than that...Its SUPPOSED to be that way! ;D ;D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1166739" timestamp="1327677022"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94929.msg1166653#msg1166653 date=1327671233] On another note.....Nederland hasn't WON anything!!! 8)....Calm down.... [/quote] Guess that depends on your interpretation of "won anything".  Last I checked, there is a certain 27 game streak that is causing many detractors a considerable amount of consternation as evidenced by their efforts to discredit what Nederland has done.  Of course, if Cotton Robinson was still coaching at Buna, there is NO WAY Nederland could have done this well. >:( [/quote] That IS funny, but the truth of the matter remains.....They HAVEN'T won anything, yet...Not that they won't, but celebrating district wins? I don't know, maybe I take winning district for granted, but it was NEVER really a big deal to me, because it was ROUTINE!! (I am really pouring it on now!! ;D ;D)....Relax guys, its all in good humor.... 8)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1166715" timestamp="1327675438"] I can tell you exactly why he got tossed. Taunting! It was his 2nd Tech of the game, so that's why he went to the locker room early. Some people just don't have the discipline to make a great play then just keep playing the game. There is no room for taunting in sports. [/quote] Statement made by those who can't dunk..... ::) ::) ::).....Nah, just messin, I agree...I do not think he should have ejected the kid though...He was pumped up...adrenaline...As a coach you gotta correct it, but deep down how can you be mad at the kid?

[quote name="ECBucFan" post="1166704" timestamp="1327674453"] $6,500? Yeah, if your stupid enough to really believe that, go right ahead. BTW, Since it's inception, how much is Ford Park's total in the RED?  ;D [/quote] My bad ECBuc, I WAS thinking more like $5,000 at first!! Ford Park? The are not in the RED....They're in the FIRE ENGINE RED (new color that is brighter than red!  :D)  8)

[quote name="baddog" post="1166687" timestamp="1327673536"] The thing is, we haven't won anything yet except district and have a good win streak going. But even that is tearing some people a new one, and like I said, I love it. [/quote] On a serious note, I think some just look at it as odd, because its new and totally unexpected by many...What if LUMBERTON started winning district 20-4A the way that its set now, and won 27 or more district games in a row? YOU BADDOG would be shocked too!!  ;)...You're a Nederland fan, so its not quite as shocking, however, its a proud feeling, as you very well should be....I am happy for Coach E, but I would be lying if I said it didnt seem strange to me...NEDERLAND? BASKETBALL? WINNING? Those three words never went together in the past....Times change, and teams do too, apparently! 8)

[quote name="baddog" post="1166677" timestamp="1327673044"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94929.msg1166653#msg1166653 date=1327671233] On another note.....Nederland hasn't WON anything!!! 8)....Calm down.... [/quote] How's 27 straight? That's eating some people alive and I love it. [/quote] Nah...its kinda like remembering the New Oreleans Saints when their fans wore bags on their heads, then watching them have success..Oh, but wait, they actually WON a championship, so thats a bad analogy!  ;D ;D....my bad! Of course I am happy for the Coach E, and the bulldogs!  8)

Its easy to be "fiscally responsible" in Winnie, when you're only balancing about $6,500 a year in total revenue.... ;D ;D

Just curious to know if anyone has heard about any new shifts in the local districts...I got news yesterday that Houston schools Wheatley, Kashmere, Scarborough, and Furr are dropping to 3A!!!!! HOLY MOLY!! Heard they will be put in the district with Brookshire Royal, and Stafford.... :o :o....also heard that HISD's 5A districts will be dropping to 4A as well, except Lamar, Westside, Bellaire, and Madison, in which they will be joining 4 of the Fort Bend schools to create another district......CRAZY! :o

Hey, Soulja, I kinda LIKED Al-T's in Winnie!!!! 8) 8).....But thats the only reason I would stop, too, unless I needed gas! ;D

On another note.....Nederland hasn't WON anything!!! 8)....Calm down....

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1166648" timestamp="1327670778"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94929.msg1166568#msg1166568 date=1327628303] Nooooo! You mean to tell me that NEDERLAND is not a LOCK for the state title ;D [/quote] Sour grapes. Its really sad, if some cant be winners they get their satisfaction from "dogging" those who are. [/quote] PLEASE RELAX....It was only a joke!! Geesh! :o  S-E-N-S-I-T-I-V-E!  ::)

Nooooo! You mean to tell me that NEDERLAND is not a LOCK for the state title ;D

Dorian Chatman.......6'6"......Freshman....PA Memorial.... Itarion Wilridge........6'6"......Freshman....Bmt Central.... How are these kids not on this list?? There BOTH DIAPER DANDIES BABYYYYYY!!!!!! :D

[quote name="bigdog" post="1166439" timestamp="1327610264"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166358#msg1166358 date=1327602435] What facts? 9 State appearances, 3 titles, 17 district titles, 12 regional tourney appearances, .085 winning percentage....Men lie, women lie, NUMBERS DON'T... 8) [/quote] Only when they are incorrect.  1 State title, 3 Finals appearances, 7 State tourney appearances.  Oh by the way, how can they have 17 district titles when the school has existed for 12 years?  [/quote] ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)....wow...really?

[quote name="stevenash" post="1166407" timestamp="1327606103"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=94873.msg1166405#msg1166405 date=1327605865] so a ned. vs. vidor article thread has turned into a 10-page thread about coaching?  doesn't even seem worth trying to get you guys back on topic at this point. [/quote] I think a great number of readers took exception to the "suggestion" that under "certain circumstances" Mr. English would not be doing as well as he is.  Seems like a normal human response to me. [/quote] Well...yes he would be....27 in a row...no way...under "certain circumstances" of course!  ;D

Yep...somewhere around page 2!!  8)....I tried to tell em!!  ::)