Dick Vitale

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168494" timestamp="1328020969"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95137.msg1168491#msg1168491 date=1328020732] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95137.msg1168488#msg1168488 date=1328020629] Yes, I often stir the pot.  But often times, I just am troubled by things that get intentionally misrepresented in order to give credibility to a point that is not factual. [/quote] Relax, man...it was not intentional....goodness!! ::) [/quote] I am relaxed.  Do  you believe that someone who potrays themselves as somewhat of an expert on a topic ought to, in order to validate that portrayal, deal in facts as opposed to statements that simply make a story sound good? [/quote] OK..leave it be! I should not have added Yates HS to that group!!! >:( >:(...Are you serious? My goodness you guys are sensitive on here sometimes!! GEESH! :o

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168488" timestamp="1328020629"] Yes, I often stir the pot.  But often times, I just am troubled by things that get intentionally misrepresented in order to give credibility to a point that is not factual. [/quote] Relax, man...it was not intentional....goodness!! ::)

[quote name="tamulonghorn" post="1168484" timestamp="1328020339"] Speaking of Perkins I heard he had a new poster coming out. [/quote] I was not impressed...Blake Griffin did not even touch the rim! He bumped Perk and threw it down...Nice highlight, though.. ;)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1168476" timestamp="1328019731"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95137.msg1168473#msg1168473 date=1328018880] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95137.msg1168469#msg1168469 date=1328018510] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95137.msg1168466#msg1168466 date=1328018313] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95137.msg1168451#msg1168451 date=1328016868] wOW! And all this time I was thinking HJ made it to Austin at least 3 times within the decade [/quote] By the way they talk...you would think they were... ::) :D....but those type of feats are reserved for the PA Lincolns, the Beaumont Ozens, the Fort Worth Dunbars, the [b]Houston Yates'[/b], and Houston Wheatleys of the world!!! Right, Bluedove?  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] When did Yates make it to the state tourney more than 2 times within a decade? [/quote] Well, winning  back to back state titles HAS to count for SOMETHING!  ;) [/quote] Why not list the Buna's, Snook's, Dimmitt's, Ponder's, Morton's, Moulton's, Nazereth's, and Krum's of the world? Those are more fitting to your analogy than Yates who has only been to Austin 3 times total ('83, '09, '10). [/quote] ALL of those teams should be mentioned as well.....Correction accepted...stevenash, put your spoon down and stop stirring the pot! I missed ONE!! I am entitled to ONE,aren't I! 8)

I will as soon as you show me where I said Boutte was the ONLY one who could do it..I am not offended in the least. I KNOW the deal...I was there...Most with opinions about Perk's progress were not..I understand that some are looking from WAY outside...I know the work that had to be put it, because I put it in with him! Thats the difference that I was trying to explain to you...Its ok, man...I am not mad at all. If anything, saying that these guys that Boutte coached were JUST talented and THATS the reason why he was successful, could be seen as offensive...But I am not mad..I understand though.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1168469" timestamp="1328018510"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95137.msg1168466#msg1168466 date=1328018313] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95137.msg1168451#msg1168451 date=1328016868] wOW! And all this time I was thinking HJ made it to Austin at least 3 times within the decade [/quote] By the way they talk...you would think they were... ::) :D....but those type of feats are reserved for the PA Lincolns, the Beaumont Ozens, the Fort Worth Dunbars, the [b]Houston Yates'[/b], and Houston Wheatleys of the world!!! Right, Bluedove?  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] When did Yates make it to the state tourney more than 2 times within a decade? [/quote] Well, winning  back to back state titles HAS to count for SOMETHING!  ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168463" timestamp="1328018076"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95134.msg1168461#msg1168461 date=1328017876] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=95134.msg1168344#msg1168344 date=1327963555] I think Perkins was skilled and athletic, and that is why as a freshman, most thought he would be in the NBA.  I played against Steven Jackson growing up throughout the entire summer, cant tell you how many games I played against him, Steven was more on the athletic side but still had a few skills.  IMO, Perkins did not improve a great deal from his freshman to senior year.  I dont know who helped these players develop their skills or if they learned by watching.  I am sure Coach Boutte is a fine coach, I too am not trying in anyway to diminish his accomplishments. [/quote] You thought Perk was ATHLETIC? As a NINTH grader? NO. He was not. Neither was Stevie. Kendrick was a very skilled post player who had some size on him obviously, but there was nothing athletic about him early on. If you don't think he got better from grade 9-12, you missed it. I think the fact he was doing the same thing (dominating) to high school players from grades 10-12, it may have APPEARED that he didn't get better, but he really did. Otherwise he would have been another Kwame Brown or Eddie Curry in the NBA...His early NBA years, Doc Rivers said himself that he was good enough to play, he was just not ready for the speed of the NBA game and used those early years for strictly teaching and adjusting for him. [/quote] It looks as though you are now willing to acknowledge that the great bulk of what made Perkins an NBA player was accomplished by the Celtics? [/quote] The Celtics DID indeed develop Kendrick, a GREAT deal...However, let you guys tell it, our staff had NOTHING to do with it... ::)...He just CAME to Ozen NBA ready and Boutte reaped the benefits of being in the "right place".....again... ::)...according to some.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1168451" timestamp="1328016868"] wOW! And all this time I was thinking HJ made it to Austin at least 3 times within the decade [/quote] By the way they talk...you would think they were... ::) :D....but those type of feats are reserved for the PA Lincolns, the Beaumont Ozens, the Fort Worth Dunbars, the Houston Yates', and Houston Wheatleys of the world!!! Right, Bluedove?  ;D ;D ;D

What about me, nash? 8)....Thats ok...I know what kind of salute you would give me..the one finger kind!  ;D...which is why I will be in your parking spot TONIGHT at HJ!! ;D ;D

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1168344" timestamp="1327963555"] I think Perkins was skilled and athletic, and that is why as a freshman, most thought he would be in the NBA.  I played against Steven Jackson growing up throughout the entire summer, cant tell you how many games I played against him, Steven was more on the athletic side but still had a few skills.  IMO, Perkins did not improve a great deal from his freshman to senior year.  I dont know who helped these players develop their skills or if they learned by watching.  I am sure Coach Boutte is a fine coach, I too am not trying in anyway to diminish his accomplishments. [/quote] You thought Perk was ATHLETIC? As a NINTH grader? NO. He was not. Neither was Stevie. Kendrick was a very skilled post player who had some size on him obviously, but there was nothing athletic about him early on. If you don't think he got better from grade 9-12, you missed it. I think the fact he was doing the same thing (dominating) to high school players from grades 10-12, it may have APPEARED that he didn't get better, but he really did. Otherwise he would have been another Kwame Brown or Eddie Curry in the NBA...His early NBA years, Doc Rivers said himself that he was good enough to play, he was just not ready for the speed of the NBA game and used those early years for strictly teaching and adjusting for him. 

BOOGIE!!! hey man this is making me feel old! Your father and I played together in college, and I remember you as a little boy! You used to see Boutte and say "thats Michael Jaahhhhhdon" (Jordan)) ;D ;D...You are 100% correct as to the happenings of Port Arthur basketball, because YOU LIVED IT.  You hit the nail on the head. BUT...It can be the way it used to be...in due time... ;)

Evadale was there in 2001...Wilkins & co. 8)

2004..must have been a leap year or something! :D..broke the FIVE YEAR district winning streak...but in didn't effect the district champion streak one bit... ::)

Ozen: 2001 State Champs, 2002 State finalist, 2003 State Finalist, 2007 State finalist..do I need to include all of the District wins and district titles in a row, because that really wasn't the goal at Ozen. It was the norm..... ;) ;D

Once again, that year Vidor was good! Each game could have gone either way...HOWEVER....Vidor came in 2nd place, Ozen won the district.  Vidor lost in round two, Ozen went to regionals...Its not that hard to understand why I see things a bit different.

I will take a skilled player any day over an athletic one.  You guys think Perk was athletic? or skilled? How about KT (Keena Young) athletic? or skilled? Steve Jackson? Athletic or skilled? So, stevenash, you think they walked in the gym skilled? Stevie was probably as close to that as one could be, to be honest, but he still needed to work on his guard game at 6'7" in order to be prepared for the next level. But I suppose that just occured naturally as well, right? ::)..By the way, he was a post man at Lincoln...who learned to play inside out...natural ability? according to some who don't know... ;)

I just don't understand how you guys can say, with the body of work that was done, (STATE TITLES) that it was ALWAYS due to having a "talent" advantage...Ironically enough, my good friend over at Nederland, is proving me to be RIGHT...Ozen has more talent this season...Nederland is undefeated in district 20-4A...I am done... ::)..I am agreeing with east texas bb about the "talent" statement, yet I don't really think he realizes it yet... ;)

By the way..Perk HOISTED up that three in Austin in the state game in 2003, out of sheer frustration..He was one of two seniors with a bunch of 10th graders on the floor.. 8)....Yeah, I gave him the WHAT THE ---- look as well!! :D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168241" timestamp="1327955572"] I dont have to take any time.  I disagree with your assessment about the talent,skill, intellect at Ozen and also with your theory that Mr. Boutte would somehow magically transform them into something substantially greater than they are.  No, I dont think Bird is better than M.J.  Nor is anyone else for that matter.  If you are going to sit there and try to convince everyone that Ozen goes to Austin this year if Boutte is coaching, you are dreaming a giant dream.  I emphasize that this is just my opinion and that doesnt count for much.  There is only one difference in that respect between you and me.  I know what I don't know. One more question:  Are Rick Carlisle and Eric Spoelstra the same coaches they were 3 years ago?  Also, is the K. Perkins 3 point attempt at the state tourney a result of "good coaching"? [/quote] Stevenash, Ozen IS more talented than Nederland...Better team right now? Maybe not, but they have more basketball talent over there right now. So according to you guys theories about Coach Boutte and him always having "talent", would it not be a fair assesment to say that he would have a fair amount of success in district 20-4A with this team, as he has in years past, with more perceived talent?  ::)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168237" timestamp="1327955343"] That offer will save you lots of $ because hot dogs are not sold at the concession stand. [/quote] Well that will save me even more than I expected!! ;D ;D...Nachos?  8)

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1168205" timestamp="1327951368"] DV should buy for all of us tonight!!! [/quote] :o  How about I get the hot dogs at tomorrows game in Sour Lake? Just save me a seat with the rest of the Hawk Hecklers! That will save me some $$$$ for sure!  ;D ;D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1168230" timestamp="1327954294"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95117.msg1168227#msg1168227 date=1327953702] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95117.msg1168219#msg1168219 date=1327952910] I think getting paid 6 figures and being the AD at a 5A school had more to do with Boutte leaving Ozen than the lack of talent. ;) [/quote] Thank you so much for having the common sense to answer this one correctly, AAW.... 8).... People..... Ozen was in the state title game just one year prior to him leaving for Port Arthur...Had NOTHING to do with a perceived drop in talent.  He even asked the BISD administration if they could even come CLOSE to what he was offered in PA, and he would stay..The response was if they gave him the salary adjustment, they would have to do so for Simon (Westbrook) and Rice (Central) as well at that time. Which is why he went to PA when they called....IN DECEMBER!  ;).There is STILL more talent RIGHT NOW at Ozen than there is at Nederland.  ::)....No shortage there. [/quote] More talent at Ozen than Nederland?-  Possibly.  More skill?- Doubtful  More basketball intellect ?  Not a Chinamans chance in "you know where".  I think Larry Bird pretty well proved that there is something more to basketball than athleticism which, for many is used as a synonym for talent. [/quote] Soooo, you think Larry Bird (as great as he was) was better than MJ? How about Majic? ::) ::) Yeah, ok....Furthermore, my friend, I said (and meant) that Ozen was more TALENTED than Nederland, THIS SEASON..more talented...more talented..(one more time, in case you missed it) more talented than Nederland. What do you think Coach Boutte would have done at Ozen against this Nederland team with more talent, since thats most of you guys excuse for him winning anyway? ::) ::)...Take your time...I'll wait... ::)..How about what he always did, with "more talent"...win..and win BIG... ;)...Possibly make a trip to Austin, because after all...he is in the right place at the right time, usually, right?  ::)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1168219" timestamp="1327952910"] I think getting paid 6 figures and being the AD at a 5A school had more to do with Boutte leaving Ozen than the lack of talent. ;) [/quote] Thank you so much for having the common sense to answer this one correctly, AAW.... 8).... People..... Ozen was in the state title game just one year prior to him leaving for Port Arthur...Had NOTHING to do with a perceived drop in talent.  He even asked the BISD administration if they could even come CLOSE to what he was offered in PA, and he would stay..The response was if they gave him the salary adjustment, they would have to do so for Simon (Westbrook) and Rice (Central) as well at that time. Which is why he went to PA when they called....IN DECEMBER!  ;).There is STILL more talent RIGHT NOW at Ozen than there is at Nederland.  ::)....No shortage there.

Works for me!...stevenash, you gettin in on this? 8)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1168158" timestamp="1327946948"] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=95086.msg1168149#msg1168149 date=1327945746] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95086.msg1168147#msg1168147 date=1327945404] :o...just saw the challenge...BET $250? What if I wore a Nederland District champ t-shirt to the next Nederland game or something? I would have no problem betting the money if I had any control over situation in ANY way...I can have my thoughts on it all day long, but, if I cant directly affect it...Coach English can coach...and believe it or not, I believe in his ability to get it done against the odds, but although its UNLIKELY, I am not willing to bet money against him!..I will wear a shirt or a sign or something like that.... ;) [/quote] How bout the usual bet? He wins both you will have to have a signature that says: "Coach Brian Enlgish is just as good as Coach Boutte." And he looses both then i will change my signature to: "Coach Brian English is inferior to Coach Boutte in every single way possible." Sound good? [/quote] That's hilarious VP32!  ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a friend who can print that t-shirt for him! What size do you need DV? [/quote] 2X....Not that I will be needing it though!! ;D 8)