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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1379721" timestamp="1361907384"] I 'm with Michael Jordan on this one...You cannot argue with rings... 8)...No, but seriously, I am saying that Bosha is a really good player that needs to do a few things over the summer to elevate his game if he wants to take it to the next level...Bottom line. [/quote] If you are with Jordan, then Bill Russell is the greatest player to ever step on a basketball court.  I am confident that Mr. Bosha will continue to improve.

[quote name="homeless" post="1379586" timestamp="1361892132"] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=109731.msg1379487#msg1379487 date=1361855064] What is unacceptable is the way you speak of these kids & their community. I have sat back & listened to enough negative bull from you "girl" and whoever else signs off on these negative comments. Inner city kids win a ball game, now character, grades & everything else is brought to the carpet. Even critical of the graduates whom have gone on to college to better themselves. If no one else tells you I will. BACK OFF!! These kids & their community deserve better. I was taught if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. I grew up on the west side of Port Arthur and attended Abraham Lincoln H S & we whipped up on people. All that was ever said was how nothing good comes out of our school. We were ridiculed often. My question is,how many times do these kids have to turn the other cheek? Walk away be the better man when they are being confronted by adults many times. This must stop & will stop because winning will do the fighting for these kids & their community. One thing I know these kids have is pride & heart, 2 key elements the kids in the "hood" possess. Put that together with talent & you crybaby fans & wimpy "I'm taking my ball & going home" ball players don't stand a chance. Even if it was the best 4 out of 7. I hope & pray you mean spirited people on here refrain from any further negative posts, because Yates players & fans may read this & the game result may get out of hand quickly. In just a few words LOL. Mighty Bumblebees PS By the way the Bees will be in the building @ state tournament '88 Champs being honored. Be there next year also, back to back Champs FYI.    Lions players & fans, if anyone understands, The Mighty Bumblebees do. [/quote] Soooooooooo True. [b][b][color=red][size=12pt]They do this (especially SteveNash[/size][/color][/b][/b]) because they cannot talk matchups, strategy, strengths, exploitable opportunities or common opponents wher the facts come anywhere near a glimmer of hope IN HOOPS. That's why they do this. The few who do this get the facts pointed out and then fall back on but-I-love-my-boys comments. Last resort on a hoops forum when TOTALLY outgunned. Something Silsbee and ESPECIALLY HJ are not used to. [/quote] Please elaborate.  Please show me where I have said anything negative about any of the Yates players or coaches.(  The only thing I have stated about the team many times is that they acquire their players in a different manner than most everyone against whom they compete)  Furthermore, what is it exactly that makes you so much better qualified to "talk matchups, strategy, exploitable opportunities or common opponents?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1379648" timestamp="1361899194"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=109454.msg1379642#msg1379642 date=1361897770] Did NOT say Brandon couldnt shoot.  I am telling you that as a junior, Bosha is a better shooter than Brandon was as a junior.  As I said before, I am quite conversant with shooting and you and I are NOT in different "leagues" when it comes to that aspect of the game. [/quote] If they BOTH can shoot it, then how did you determine that Bosha was a BETTER shooter? Brandon was a better overall player as a junior, and had the hardware to back that. He was a key part to that state championship team. Do you actually think Bosha was BETTER as a junior? I don't. With that said, I think Bosha has GREAT upside. Length and skill...He has that. [/quote] Having hardware is not a big determinant for what we are discussing.  Though I can't prove it,I would also venture to guess that defenses concentrated on Bosha more than they did on Chapelle.

Did NOT say Brandon couldnt shoot.  I am telling you that as a junior, Bosha is a better shooter than Brandon was as a junior.  As I said before, I am quite conversant with shooting and you and I are NOT in different "leagues" when it comes to that aspect of the game.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1379612" timestamp="1361894322"] [quote author=2-2-1 link=topic=109809.msg1379610#msg1379610 date=1361894124] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109809.msg1379598#msg1379598 date=1361892797] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=109809.msg1379593#msg1379593 date=1361892603] I took this thread as just being a thread about supporting one's team and trying to pump up the fan base. Didn't think it was necessary to start debating on who will win the game. There are plenty of threads discussing that topic. [/quote] And nothing can pump up the fan base like a little bit of pot stirring can! I am actually doing you guys a FAVOR! ;D...Relax, man, your guys will do fine...You KNOW they are going to play hard! Just enjoy it and let the chips fall where they may! I just hate that I can't be there to see it! 8) [/quote] Haha! DV, there are not enough hours in the day to "smite" you with. Very little respect for a man like yourself. And no, I don't care what you have to say so go ahead and reply with your best. Good luck Silsbee, from Big Sandy. [/quote] Well thats your prerogative.. You can NOT respect me on here all you like....Key word: ON HERE.. ;) [/quote] Oh no, here we go again with inferred physical threats.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1379489" timestamp="1361855533"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=109454.msg1379482#msg1379482 date=1361854090] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109454.msg1379481#msg1379481 date=1361853882] [quote author=Big girl link=topic=109454.msg1379464#msg1379464 date=1361851011] LMBO......It is obvious that Blue Dove does not know anything about basketball. I played in college and we were required to run cross country. I even saw a posting where he said that Johnson was the only person on HJ's team that could create his own shot. LOL. Has he ever watched Bosha play? He is the compete package. He can shoot, he can drive, he is a great perimeter defender and he can hit the 3. Either Blue Dove is blind or he has never attended a HJ game. Wow!!!!! ;) [/quote] Sorry, but Bosha is not the complete package...Good player, but he has a few areas to improve upon...The fact that he did not lead his team to at LEAST a SECOND place finish IN 3A, tells a tale.  He definitely has the tools, but he needs to work hard this spring and summer....Trust me when I tell you...NOT the COMPLETE package. [/quote] Do tell, Dickie.  As an example, tell me what Brandon Chapelle had in his junior year that Mr. Bosha doesnt have? [/quote] As a junior, Brandon Chappell was the sixth man on an undefeated (36-0) Class 4A State Championship team, for starters...[b][color=red][size=12pt]He was a better shooter[/size][/color][/b], ball handler and playmaker than Bosha...And a MUCH better defender...NOT that Bosha will not GET there at some point, because he is a good player.  But Bosha was no comparison to Brandon Chappell as a junior...Not close... [/quote] Sorry, DV- but the shooting evaluation is incorrect..  I watched both play quite a bit and you are dead wrong on the shooting.  You can trust me when I tell you that the one thing that I understand very well is shooting.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1379481" timestamp="1361853882"] [quote author=Big girl link=topic=109454.msg1379464#msg1379464 date=1361851011] LMBO......It is obvious that Blue Dove does not know anything about basketball. I played in college and we were required to run cross country. I even saw a posting where he said that Johnson was the only person on HJ's team that could create his own shot. LOL. Has he ever watched Bosha play? He is the compete package. He can shoot, he can drive, he is a great perimeter defender and he can hit the 3. Either Blue Dove is blind or he has never attended a HJ game. Wow!!!!! ;) [/quote] Sorry, but Bosha is not the complete package...Good player, but he has a few areas to improve upon...The fact that he did not lead his team to at LEAST a SECOND place finish IN 3A, tells a tale.  He definitely has the tools, but he needs to work hard this spring and summer....Trust me when I tell you...NOT the COMPLETE package. [/quote] Do tell, Dickie.  As an example, tell me what Brandon Chapelle had in his junior year that Mr. Bosha doesnt have?

[quote name="jackyateshoops" post="1379330" timestamp="1361829248"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1379231#msg1379231 date=1361809731] Truth is folks and this may sound harsh, but the Yates fan base is not really USED to winning in basketball..They were a football power for many years and had that same "swag" about their football program back in the day...This does not excuse inappropriate behaviors by any means, but its still kind of "new" to them...HJ fans have been used to winning basketball, and have a tendancy to be less cocky about their teams success...This has become their time to "shine" over the last few years and they are doing just that..Doesn't make it right, but its one of the major reasons they do it...They can't act like they have been there before, because before a few years ago...They really hadn't. ;) [/quo Wow, funny.  Were you at the HJ and Coldspring game?  Were you there when the police had to come and escort a group of HJ fans who were sitting on the Coldspring side and they were about to fight?  Yeah, you know the ones that know how to act.  Were you there? [/quote] I dont recall claiming to know the ones that know how to act.  Yes, I was there.  I did not see what you are describing.  Were you sitting close enough to know how what you are describing began?  If so, let me know.  None of this alters what I saw.  Two opposing fans mouthing is one thing- A spectator trash talking to players on the bench DURING THE GAME and then telling the coach "what to do with himself" is QUITE ANOTHER.  Nice try but there is no way to justify what I saw.

[quote name="usedtobe" post="1379215" timestamp="1361807033"] [quote author=bobbymcgee link=topic=109770.msg1379124#msg1379124 date=1361761701] Is this within UIL rules? [b]I am pretty sure you can't have an early release for an athletic event. [/b] Ozen's Jeff Nelson was suspended for having a practice during normal school hours. How is this any different? Kids are getting out of class for sports. [/quote] You're "pretty sure you can't have an early release for an athletic event."  Tell us, bobbymc, upon what do you base that belief?  Did you contact the UIL and determine that it's against the rules?  Did you contact any of your contacts in YOUR LOCAL school system and get their opinion?  What, bobbymc, what?  It happens regularly in all school districts - so apparently ignoring the UIL is more widespread in Texas than any of us ever imagined.  S T R E T C H  and S T I R, bobbymc. ::) 8) [/quote] Usedtobe- Dont listen to that stuff.  You go ahead and leave when the other students leave and make sure you get there on time.

[quote name="TopFlight" post="1379109" timestamp="1361760024"] EVERYONE has fans that say inappropriate things....I've sat next to Yates fans and their confident in their team. Yes they talk trash I would too if my team was good...[size=12pt][b][color=red]but they don't take it any further than that.[/color][/b][/size] They are very polite they just love their Yates bball that's all...You act like Silsbee isnt as bad Yates fans nor the players or even worse...I coached in the summer league and Silsbee players tried to fight Ozen players after the game....so kill that let the kids compete and settle it on the court..you adults need to fall back cause your the ones fueling this nonsense.... [/quote] When HJ played Coldspring (immediately following the HJ-Yates girls game) several Yates fans were leaving while the boys game was in its final few minutes.  As they "disrespectfully" walked in front of the HJ bench (yes, with the game still going) they began telling the HJ players on that bench how much trouble they were going to be in when they played Yates.  One of the HJ coaches got up and told them to go on and get away from the bench and he was promptly told by one of those(who never "takes it any further than that") what to do with himself.  Saw this same "gentleman" at the boys game last Thursday.  Sorry, but this type of "enthusiasm" and/or "passion" is not justifiable or acceptable under any circumstance.

[quote name="jackyateshoops" post="1379020" timestamp="1361739667"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=109731.msg1379013#msg1379013 date=1361737858] DV got those conference from coaching at Alex Keith Park! Silsbee has a chance man. Yates absolutely has a unfair advantage. We will deal with it and play hard. If Silsbee can get hot on those free throws and rebound we got a shot! If Silsbee beats Yates it could be the greatest win in school history! [/quote] Unfortunately that's not about to happen.  How do you feel we have an unfair advantage?  Silsbee is talented and they have speed also.  They can crash the boards also.  In the 4th quarter against Kashemere, they had their way with the Rams.  Seems like it will be a great game for sure. [/quote] \ Sir, your 'unfair" advantage is that you do not develop your own players through your own system as they are growing up like most other schools must do.

You totally missed the point.  I was referring to work harder about being humble.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1378972" timestamp="1361732299"] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378970#msg1378970 date=1361732009] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378967#msg1378967 date=1361731582] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378965#msg1378965 date=1361731391] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378957#msg1378957 date=1361730365] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378954#msg1378954 date=1361730080] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378950#msg1378950 date=1361729439] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=109731.msg1378947#msg1378947 date=1361728828] [quote author=Silsbeealum14 link=topic=109731.msg1378943#msg1378943 date=1361728381] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109731.msg1378927#msg1378927 date=1361724971] It's really unfortunate that Houston decided to allow Yates into 3A for these two years, honestly, because its really not fair. These 3A schools are having to literally compete with a team that could likely win the region in 4A this year...Silsbee is talented and tough, but they have ZERO chance against Yates.  Thats just the truth.  They may even play with them for a half or so, but Yates wears much bigger teams down, and they have size that rivals some small colleges...They are not gpoing to be scared of them, but reality will set at some point in that game and it will be over...Likely 20+...Deep down, the Silsbee faithful knows what it is... ;) [/quote] U think you know everything, shut ur trap sometimes are go get a degree and become a coach so Silsbee can smash your team .. Everything you said about Silsbee is negative, u don't know nothing !!! [/quote] He is a coach, that is the sad part. [/quote] Wow, smh... If its high school, he will never make it far. To much hate in his Blood !!!! [/quote] Mr Silsbee alum, I will gladly allow you to wear my state ring if you ever want to know what being a winner feels like!  ;D as a matter of fact being that we are Conference champs where I am now, I will gladly share that one as well... 8)...You folks really crack me up! [/quote] ::) ::) [/quote] Lol, As of matter of fact, I could let your wear my 4 conference champion rings I got playing for HBU if you like.. [/quote] HBU? I know they just went Division I, but weren't they like NAIA D-5??? lol...Come on man!!  8) [/quote] Lol, u funny... U such a big time Coach, u know what we where !!! NAIA powe house... Check the Rod Nealy"s and the Chis Millers and tell me where they went !!! C"mon Coach, Mr. Know it all [/quote] I have heard of them.....They never won anything BIG, but I know who they are from my SE Texas days.. ;)...Never said I knew it ALL, but I do know more than most!  ;D ;D ([color=red][font=arial black][b]Hey man I am working on [/b] [/font] [/color] [color=red][font=arial black]being more humble!  8))[/font][/color] [/quote] Work harder Dickie- there are not fruits from your labors yet.

I think it is important to give Yates every advantage they can get.  Downgrade them to 3-a so they can win in football.  If that doesnt work, maybe we can make them 3a in basketball and 1-a in football.  THe impact on other schools is irrelevant.  The important thing is to make Yates a winner regardless of the impact on everyone else.  I have a feeling that the swimming program will have to go down to -3a to have a shot though.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1378902" timestamp="1361715738"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109454.msg1378900#msg1378900 date=1361714483] [quote author=sasquare link=topic=109454.msg1378883#msg1378883 date=1361686366] Many of you all have forgotten, that Silsbee has always been a top competitor. We battled Port Arthur Lincoln and Baycity  every year when we were 4aaaa. we consistently ranked in the top ten and made it to Austin several times along with going to regionals so many times can't count. Port Arthur Lincoln had talent like Yates every year. [/quote]True that Lincoln and Sislbee didn't have move-ins back then, but neither did the competition from Houston. 20 years ago, teams simply suited up the kids who lived in their districts (the way it was intended to be)! All recruiting was left up to colleges ONLY!! [/quote]LOL!!!! Not true Abe!!!! Kids been changing addresses for[color=red] YEARS [/color]in the cities.  It wasn't a big deal back then and very easy to do. Yall were babies back then and weren't old enough to read the papers ;) Hmmm! Actually, in small towns too. Football back in 30's was full of "transfers" in those small towns. [/quote] But not 40 each fall.

Best wishes to the Bulldogs- I am sure Dove would say the same

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1378912" timestamp="1361719992"] So a 2 kids from Africa move to 3rd ward of all places on earth. Come on son! Why would they come to 3rd ward? Yates has a foreign exchange program too? [/quote] A certain former Rockets All Star Center "influenced" where they landed.  But, of course, these two just happened to want to be broadcasters when they become adults and Yates has that famous communications school.

[quote name="ballin4life" post="1378895" timestamp="1361713331"] [quote author=sasquare link=topic=109454.msg1378883#msg1378883 date=1361686366] Many of you all have forgotten, that Silsbee has always been a top competitor. We battled Port Arthur Lincoln and Baycity  every year when we were 4aaaa. we consistently ranked in the top ten and made it to Austin several times along with going to regionals so many times can't count. Port Arthur Lincoln had talent like Yates every year. [/quote] Yea with no move ins [/quote] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1378794" timestamp="1361669341"] [quote author=El Diablo link=topic=109731.msg1378778#msg1378778 date=1361668003] Sorry I jus don't see silsbee winning this match up.. If they do win it will be a miracle.. I like smoke town n all but I be jus speaking da truf.. [/quote] Silsbee don't need no miracle to be Yates !!! SFA beat Oklahoma this year, do you think that was a miracle .... [/quote] YES

[quote name="TopDawG52" post="1378096" timestamp="1361571832"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=109663.msg1378076#msg1378076 date=1361569758] Yates recruits from Cypress and Katy as well people! [/quote]  true. ... deaaron. Fox remember that name. He will be in a yates uniform [/quote] Hope he gets in before all the other "applicants for communication excellence" beat him to it.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1378080" timestamp="1361570083"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109659.msg1377873#msg1377873 date=1361551246] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=109659.msg1377865#msg1377865 date=1361550869] I don't think that I have ever been so proud of my Hawks as I was last night. I have to say Dickie V is 100% correct, they are as good of a high school team as I have ever seen. They should be, they are the best that Houston has to offer. Hawks were in great shape until we lost our post presence. The final score was not a true indication of how close the game was. Great job by the coaching staff they put together a great game plan that made their press look silly sometimes.I cant say enough about the young men on the floor last night. They were NOT intimidated by them one bit. IMOHO I think that we played our best game of the year. You truly played with great resolve and the heart of a champion.......Great Job Hawks! [/quote] Experience is the GREATEST teacher, Poppabearstarr! ;)....Some just think the world STOPS at the Jefferson/Hardin County line! 8)...Honestly, Yates has no business even BEING in 3A, because they are moving right back up after next year...It was a move for football...an experiment...Should have never been. [/quote] [b]I don't think that anyone actually thought that the world stopped at the county line[/b]...I agree, they are not a 3A team. They are good, but that is not the only place that plays basketball either...My Lady Hawks showed the yates girls how to get it done earlier this week. ;) [/quote] Poppa- You must understand that there are those who are "offended" by the degree of success the basketball program has experienced in little old rural (and tiny) Sour Lake.

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1378008" timestamp="1361562292"] No matter where you are. If you build a program up,even if it is started out by recruiting, and your winning every year, you wont have to recruit anymore because kids are going to want to join a winning program. If a kid move in and wants to go where the best basketball is played most likely they will direct them to Yates, because they are known for winning and gaining exposure. [/quote] I agree with you Freeze.  And there is nothing like a level playing field when its time to compete.

HJ girls beat the Yates girls the other night in the playoffs.  I guess there arent that many females who come to Yates as communications majors.

An amazingly odd number of guys 6'7" who want to be communications majors!!!!!!!  I remember yesterday in one of these threads someone making the remark that he had spoken with someone "in the know" at Yates and 6 players from the team grew up in the school district.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1377872" timestamp="1361551203"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=109659.msg1377804#msg1377804 date=1361545957] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109659.msg1377793#msg1377793 date=1361545535] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=109659.msg1377776#msg1377776 date=1361544838] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109659.msg1377704#msg1377704 date=1361510220] Good introduction to a different and higher level of basketball for HJ. [/quote] Not an introduction at all.  Many of the HJ kids have played against AAU all star teams in the past. [/quote]  :-X :-X [/quote] Much closer to the "whole truth" [/quote]Unless you were there, stay away from this subject matter  ;) [/quote] I am a lot more conversant with the subject than you know/believe.