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[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1386150" timestamp="1363503746"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1386135#msg1386135 date=1363491614] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=110076.msg1386070#msg1386070 date=1363450420] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385729#msg1385729 date=1363354775] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110076.msg1385694#msg1385694 date=1363317808] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=110076.msg1385691#msg1385691 date=1363317173] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385685#msg1385685 date=1363315529] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1385667#msg1385667 date=1363308430] So all of the D-1 prospects that are there are strictly there because they were undereducated inner city kids who were unable to learn in the public schools? [/quote] D1?  Can't believe what the conservative media writes  8) [/quote] Please!!! ::) ::  Look at this site [Hidden Content]; Over half their roster is on the future 150 list..Most are 4 and 5 star players. The system is broke and the uil needs to fix it. [/quote] is that the right site? i only saw a few from Texas but they were from other schools. [/quote]LOL!! Please do not go by Future 150. Its a ranking site where they rank kids who attend their camps by [color=red]PAYING [/color]and playing. Next example please!!! [/quote]the poor inner city kids who couldn't learn in public schools have money for basketball camp? [/quote] So, you want them to grow fat and get sick. Get disability benefits?  ::) [/quote] ::) ::) [/quote] Dove_ I think I finally understand this now.  Triple A, Yates and Madison are actually progams whose first priority is to keep kids from getting fat and drawing disability checks.  The competence in basketball was coincidentally a by- product.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1386055" timestamp="1363447790"] Everybody loves success, but they hate successful people [/quote] Everybody loves success, but they hate successful people who violate the spirit/intent of the rules.

[quote name="Aces_Full" post="1386042" timestamp="1363445712"] Joel LaFluer from PNG score 50 on Nederland in 1992.  Believe he was MVP of the District that year that included Lincoln and Silsbee. [/quote] DV isnt going to like this.  I am sure there is an explanation why LaFleur got MVP in a district that included Lincoln

I believe he went to Air Force Academy

[quote name="no-look" post="1385418" timestamp="1363224339"] In all the years that I've been going to the tourney I 've never seen a player booed like the kid from Arlington Heights. Saban has his work cut out for him...lol..    Never seen a losing team get a standing ovation and the winning team booed....  The AAU body guards had to settle down a few coaches...lol... Dont think Travis would have made the playoffs if it wasn't for the Harrison twins. Not a complicated offense just spread the floor and let the guard penetrate but good enough for a championship.... The White Oak players looked like they never seen the weight room but it didn't matter....Mumford needs to file assualt charges against the UIL...  lol........The Yates press was not a factor if anything it hurt more than helped.... 2A brought some sanity to the games. Two best games of the tourney.... and God bless Norman at the Super 8.. Paid for my room with cash and overpaid twenty dollars(two twenties were stuck together) Norman comes to my room and explains and hands me the twenty.... [/quote] Was Bo-Hack with you?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1385826" timestamp="1363374950"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1385815#msg1385815 date=1363373338] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385807#msg1385807 date=1363371725] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=110076.msg1385768#msg1385768 date=1363365166] I think Coach Sodek explained Mumford's differences quite well. ;) [/quote]yep, both get players from outside their geographic areas. One has a larger area.......wow! [/quote] Gee, Dove- It would appear you did not read Mr. Sodeks post or you think he not telling the truth.  From what I saw, one of the first nine players came to the school during his Varsity years.  Looks like everyone else is pretty much homegrown.  Are you going to "suggest" that this same type of situation exists at Yates, Madison, and Triple A? [/quote]AAA players started out home grown.  They were there as well BEFORE high school  ::) [/quote] Yea, right.  They were all in the same neighborhood. 

And I am still waiting.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1385807" timestamp="1363371725"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=110076.msg1385768#msg1385768 date=1363365166] I think Coach Sodek explained Mumford's differences quite well. ;) [/quote]yep, both get players from outside their geographic areas. One has a larger area.......wow! [/quote] Gee, Dove- It would appear you did not read Mr. Sodeks post or you think he not telling the truth.  From what I saw, one of the first nine players came to the school during his Varsity years.  Looks like everyone else is pretty much homegrown.  Are you going to "suggest" that this same type of situation exists at Yates, Madison, and Triple A?

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1385768" timestamp="1363365166"] I think Coach Sodek explained Mumford's differences quite well. ;) [/quote] Extremely well.

[quote name="usedtobe" post="1385771" timestamp="1363365943"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385733#msg1385733 date=1363355705] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote] How do I know them? Various avenues other than the AAU circuit  ;) Do you really want to debate HS vs AAU with me? Do you really want to[color=red] compare[/color] the behind scenes in HS and AAU with me? You may not want to do that, trust me!! [/quote] WOW, right out of DickieV's tactics manual - right down to the plea, "trust me." ::) ;D ;D [/quote]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1385757" timestamp="1363363839"] AAA won State within the rules of UIL, period. Just as Mumford reached State, within the rules. I don't see a huge difference in either programs. yes, AAA has a larger coverage. But YES Prep out of Houston and many other inner city charter schools have the same area coverage and[color=red] CAN'T COMPETE[/color] at a high level. [/quote] My guess is that the "legitimate" charter schools who "can't compete" cannot, at this point, because they are in the early developmental stages and have an academic priority as opposed to an athletic one. If the NBA awards a New Franchise to Omaha next year, it will be many years before they are able to "legitimately" compete for a Division or league title.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1385762" timestamp="1363364068"] [quote author=CRUSHCOACH link=topic=110159.msg1385719#msg1385719 date=1363350281] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110159.msg1384987#msg1384987 date=1363131970] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=110159.msg1384971#msg1384971 date=1363130312] For schools like Lincoln, Silsbee, Kountze, and Hebert you could form 4 different starting 5 and still be close to right. Lots of talent in the school sysystems. Who was that exchange student back in the day for PNG that.shot 3's like layupz? [/quote]Y [/quote]PNG had an exchange student?  Hmmmmm!!! [/quote] Yes, a very appropriate comparison to Yates and Triple A.  Good inference, Dove

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1385702" timestamp="1363319887"] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote]yep! Nic Wise. And told a random Twitter follower when asked a while back that he wished he would have stayed at 1 HS. [/quote] Wise?  That name has a famiiar ring to it.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1385734" timestamp="1363356039"] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110076.msg1385702#msg1385702 date=1363319887] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110076.msg1385701#msg1385701 date=1363319120] Bluedove, how do you know so much about AAA, mclure, and the director from notre dame? Would it happen to be from experiences you had with them at AAU? Corruption in HS basketball is due to AAU and parents who want to shop their children around. I remember a certain guard from the Houston area that later played at Arizona...how many high schools did he attend before settling down? [/quote]yep! Nic Wise. And told a random Twitter follower when asked a while back that he wished he would have stayed at 1 HS. [/quote] Thats why they have schools like Julliard Prep for the gifted and talented. Same thing in basketball, tennis, ballet, gymnastics, Prime Prep, etc. The gifted & talented should compete against the best. [/quote] Then they ought to be in leagues/divisions. etc where they compete against teams who have the same "player acquisition" standards as they do instead of playing against those who are limited geographically.

So all of the D-1 prospects that are there are strictly there because they were undereducated inner city kids who were unable to learn in the public schools?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1385578" timestamp="1363283054"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1385571#msg1385571 date=1363281637] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385554#msg1385554 date=1363279001] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=110076.msg1385548#msg1385548 date=1363277649] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385545#msg1385545 date=1363276998] Okay! Hot off the press!!!!!!!!! [Hidden Content] [/quote] Weak attempt there Dove. Try something else. ::) [/quote]Not weak at all. AAA students have been there long b4 they started high school  ;) Good academic programs @ AAA. Now, should they be in 1-A? No!!! [/quote] Dove- How is it you are so familiar with the "academic excellence" at Triple A? [/quote] Been familiar with the Academy for about 6 years  ;) [/quote] I understand that you have been familiar with them but I am betting your familiarity has more to do with basketball than academics.  Therefore, please tell me what makes Triple A so attractive academically and why the basketball players come there only as a sidelight during their pursuit of academic excellence.  I have a feeling that this is going to be about the same as all of the Yates players ( including 40 transfer applications last fall) coming to Yates to excel in communications with basketball not being a major motive.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1385554" timestamp="1363279001"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=110076.msg1385548#msg1385548 date=1363277649] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1385545#msg1385545 date=1363276998] Okay! Hot off the press!!!!!!!!! [Hidden Content] [/quote] Weak attempt there Dove. Try something else. ::) [/quote]Not weak at all. AAA students have been there long b4 they started high school  ;) Good academic programs @ AAA. Now, should they be in 1-A? No!!! [/quote] Dove- How is it you are so familiar with the "academic excellence" at Triple A?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1385541" timestamp="1363276328"] Vidor has beaten Ozen THREE TIMES IN THE HISTORY OF BOTH SCHOOLS....THREE! They all happened in 2004, and Ozen STILL WON the district outright, and advanced farther than Vidor did, which was to the regional round losing to eventual state champion Houston Jones...FACT...So what is the point of bringing up the wins against a program that has dominated them FOREVER? Congrats, you beat Ozen 3 out of 300...Gold star.... ::) ::) [/quote] 300?  Be careful with the hyperbole Dickie.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1385513" timestamp="1363273253"] I'd like to say something in defense of AAA. The majority of the kids I'm sure play ball in summer. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!They all do not play on the same team...........................They do not all play on the same team. [/quote] Does that make it OK for Triple A to do what it does?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1385488" timestamp="1363269147"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110076.msg1385043#msg1385043 date=1363136711] [quote author=catfever link=topic=110076.msg1385036#msg1385036 date=1363136365] Here is the thing that amazed me. The enrollment of Madison was smaller than 95% of all 3A schools. It would not surprise me if they could be 2A by enrollment standards. Amazing that all that size and ability go to a school with 460 kids [/quote] No, it's not amazing.  It's obvious. [/quote] But its OK for that ability to land at tiny Hardin Jefferson, right? When they were winning it was perfectly OK. Maybe the UIL should resort to pre-70's UIL....That would be more to your liking, huh Nash?  ::) Furthermore, I think it was tasteless for those idiots in the stands to boo some high school kids. After all it wasn't THEIR fault the UIL placed them in class A.....I will be willing to bet my right arm if those kids from Triple A Academy were less "urban", they would not have been booed.  ;) [/quote] One player in five years has "landed" at Hardin Jefferson- therefore you look quite foolish trying to make that analogy

Will this school become a threat to the Yates player acquisition program?

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1385362" timestamp="1363208723"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110159.msg1385359#msg1385359 date=1363208285] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110159.msg1385357#msg1385357 date=1363208027] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110159.msg1385356#msg1385356 date=1363207880] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110159.msg1385338#msg1385338 date=1363205543] Since noone else has tried i'll do it [u][b]Vidor[/b][/u]: Jake McWilliams Noah Cole George Williamson Danny Riddick Jarred Williamson [u][b]Bench:[/b][/u] Trey Jenkins Cody Reese Matt Mcdonald BJ Stankovich Casey Baker Feel free to correct me if i missed someone cuz i'm sure i did. [/quote]How about the kid who was the 3 point specialist from those years? I think his name was Trey? Also BJ Stankovich was one of Vidor's good players in the lasts 80's. He should be mentioned on the list, IMO. [/quote] Trey Jenkins was good but IMO he wasn't as good as cole or jarred. 4 guys on my list went on to play in the next level. The only one who didn't was danny and that was because of a senior year injury. Trey didn't make it. And okay abe in your opinion who should he replace? [/quote]Not saying he is better or not. He should be considered in the discussion. Also, Cody Reese was a great PG. Casey Baker was kinda like George. Could 'do it all' kinda player. [/quote] Better? lol [/quote] Dickie V isn't going to like all of this talk about Vidor.

[quote name="catfever" post="1385036" timestamp="1363136365"] Here is the thing that amazed me. The enrollment of Madison was smaller than 95% of all 3A schools. It would not surprise me if they could be 2A by enrollment standards. Amazing that all that size and ability go to a school with 460 kids [/quote] No, it's not amazing.  It's obvious.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1384965" timestamp="1363129444"] [quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=109991.msg1384957#msg1384957 date=1363127475] [quote]Houston Jones 542 enrolled / 1353 zoned  ISD Considering Jones/Sterling consolidation for 2013-14 Houston Austin 1859 enrolled/ 2428 zoned Houston Kashmere 535 enrolled / 1051 zoned Houston Madison 2027 enrolled / 2902 zoned Houston Sterling 959 enrolled / 2016 zoned .....Pearland Dawson enrollment growth ? HISD considering consolidating with Sterling for 2013-14 Houston Worthing 812 enrolled / 1542 zoned Houston Yates 966 enrolled / 1569 zoned[/quote] Savant, honest question here.  Every single school is well below there zoned numbers.  Yates for example is 603 students below there zoned number.  If over 600 students are leaving Yates, how is there basketball team so good?  Maybe their communications department is really that good. [/quote] :o [/quote] Everyone knows why they are good.  A few think this is perfectly acceptable.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1384982" timestamp="1363131611"] [quote author=Pumper link=topic=110076.msg1384974#msg1384974 date=1363130969] I watched all of the state championship games in Austin.  We have all watched Sesame Street and the little song "one of these things just doesn't belong here".  The worst example was AAA against Mumford.  Mumford is a very, very good 1A team, but they had to play an AAU team for the state championship.  AAA got booed when receiving their trophy,[b] loudly[/b].  I do not advocate booing high school kids; never done it, never will.  But the crowd knew what they just watched and it made them sick. Then the 3A  championship pitted the Houston all-stars against the Dallas all-stars.  Oops, sorry, I meant to say Yates vs Madison.  Again, looked like an AAU tourney championship instead of a 3A high shool one.  Great talent on the floor, entertaining game, but again--"two of these things just don't belong here". Look, I am not saying whether these schools break the rules or not; in fact it is very possible that they are smart enough to stay just within the bounds.  But any objective observer can clearly see the difference.  The 2A, 4A, & 5A games looked a lot more like what I would have expected to see.  Competitive high school basketball.  In fact the 2A game might have been the best and most entertaining game.  The UIL needs to decide what it wants to be.  We all have our opinions, and maybe we all can't agree.  But I believe that there will be a lot of heat from coaches, fans, etc after the "show" that was put on in Austin.  It's time to call it what it is, make a decision, and go from here.  At least there should be a serious discussion among the adults in the room about where this is going and what the UIL is all about. I enjoyed the tournament very much because I love basketball[b][/b], but until you see it live and in person, maybe you won't understand.  The system is broken.... [/quote] Very good points! [/quote] Yes they are Dove  VERY GOOD POINTS