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[quote name="James Mosley" post="868733" timestamp="1286553809"] smitty, 2004 was the last #1 defense which DID end it's season #1. I can't find any internet sites which can back this or the other years other than if you care to meet with me maybe in the Nederland coaches office they can show you proof and stats so that you have the facts. Let me know if you want to be proven wrong with official paper work. [/quote] James, you are correct, however you cant convince this (smitty) coconut. I would make him prove that you are wrong. He is just getting his kicks... he knows he is wrong

[quote name="smitty" post="868343" timestamp="1286503097"] Nederland's defense was good during this 1997-2002, maybe through 2004 era.  But I don't believe they ended the season as No. 1.  Like I've said many times, nothing personal.  If what you say is true, then great.  At this point i just don't think so.  Just performance driven.   [quote author=outanup link=topic=73772.msg868288#msg868288 date=1286501242] How about 2000, 2001. Just trying to help. Look, you prove our years wrong, lets see the hardcore proof that wee did not have number 1 Defense in those years. LETS SEE IT [/quote] [/quote]

[quote name="smitty" post="868182" timestamp="1286494605"] Come on, james, you know that statement can be verified.  Many No.1 defenses?  I say not true.  But, since you think there were, which years?  You may be right on a few years.  But even that I would have to call foul.  I'm not opposed to it if it is true. I just don't think it is.  [quote author=James Mosley link=topic=73772.msg867870#msg867870 date=1286468930] Our current DC has had many #1 ranked defenses in our district throughout his career with Nederland. I guess the years he had #1 defenses it was a fluke. Livingston this week. Livingston player for player will out man us all night. We do not have the players to physically match up against Livingston. We will load the box to stop the run. We will do all the right things with a defensive scheme to stop the run. PLAYERS MAKE THE PLAYS. We will hang with Livingston simply because our players play up. Livingston has four players on offense we simply can not run down if they get a step on us. Now, smitty, what is one to do against those odds. I say our coaches and our DC will find a way to get our players to play up. That is how Nederland has been successful each year for the past 15 or so years and the entire rest of our district rides a roller coaster of success and failure. We stay constant because of good men leading good kids.. [/quote] [/quote] Ok, jock, 2001, 2003

[quote name="BAM2000" post="867791" timestamp="1286463834"] [quote author=#1Fan link=topic=74062.msg867420#msg867420 date=1286408170] its funny how wos is undefeated in pee wee,junior and senior...must have a good organization of coaches [/quote] great coaches make great atheletes, everytime ive played WOS it has been a whipping but the coaches are top notch. teaching their kids not only how to play but sportmanship [/quote] agree, so if you happen to get lucky enough to beat them or even compete your team has really accomplished something!

[quote name="smitty" post="864878" timestamp="1286116357"] If facts tend to bore you, then go to a touchy-feely forum and sing Kumbaya around a campfire were everybody FEELS good.  I stick with the facts and the stats.    ::)    ;) [quote author=1696dogs link=topic=73891.msg864867#msg864867 date=1286115664] Don't hurt yourself thinking Smitty. We would hate not to have your wonderful negativity on this forum! [/quote] [/quote] You want facts???? You are probably still mad because all the jocks you had to sniff back in school. Thats probably as close as you got being an athlete. It is really obvious you cannot look at the big picture and understanding coaching and playing the game.

[quote name="smitty" post="849343" timestamp="1284761879"] Penny, I was NOT trying to lump that in the 97-02 era.  I was stating a fact that a RB had this much yards against this DC.  The year doesn't matter.  What matters is that it happened under this DC.  Before and after this era you talk about is the norm for this DC.  District championships and state championships are won on defense.  I just watched again as B barbers Hill RB smoked us for a 70 yard TD run.  Stop me if you see a fib here.  Need I say more?!      ::)     [quote author=Penny link=topic=72900.msg849050#msg849050 date=1284725972] Smitty, just asking but aren't you kind of cherry picking what you've been right about on the facts here.  I'm not talking about your opinion, which you are entitled to, but this is about the first fact you've been accurate on, and it was a half truth, you tried to lump that 93 Silsbee game in with the 97-04 era.  You still haven't addressed your TOTAL and COMPLETE misfire on the defenses from the 1997 - 2004 window, when we were DOMINANT.  Please, don't support your opinion based on incorrect data, and then tell people to bring their facts, stop drinkin the kool-aid, take off the rose colored glasses... etc.  If you want to talk the last few years, have at it, we've struggled, but don't lump 2 decades into the discussion, because you are wrong about it. [quote author=smitty link=topic=72900.msg848427#msg848427 date=1284645249] Thanks for the info.  I had the time-frame wrong.  But was right on the important points.  That this running back did rush for these many yards against this DC.  Again thanks. [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=72900.msg848419#msg848419 date=1284643530] It was 1993 and it was Silsbee RB Jay McGuire, Willie Ray Smith award winner, who racked up 454 yards rushing and 5 TD's. McGuire had over 600 all purpose yards and 6 TD's in that game against Nederland. But the amazing part was later that season. McGuire broke his leg in the last district game against Jasper and would miss the playoffs. Facing Nederland in the first round of the playoffs, most folks thought Silsbee was doomed because the Tigers needed every bit of McGuire's yards and TD's in the first game with Ned, which was a shootout, Tigers winning 48-44. Silsbee decided to scrap their zone coverage defense that Nederland ripped apart in the regular season game and they went to man coverage and blitzed every other play. Result was 10 sacks on the Nederland QB and 2 picks and a 34-7 Bi-district win. [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] Smitty, have you ever gone to watch the dogs practice?"

[quote name="smiley93" post="848494" timestamp="1284653425"] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=72900.msg848335#msg848335 date=1284604166] [quote author=smiley93 link=topic=72900.msg847984#msg847984 date=1284569241] IMHO...Nederlands problem(s) actually start in the middle schools. I am going out on a limb here to say that probably most of us in these forums are middle aged. Well when I was in junior high, they played flag football and you didn't play contact football until high school. We didn't have all the junior leagues (for all sports) like they do now (which I don't agree with either as you're seeing way too many injuries amongst such young boys). Not all boys play in these junior leagues though. THAT being said, the boys are not being properly prepared for high school football at at least ONE of the middle schools for sure in Nederland. Neumann might want to [u][b]REALLY[/b][/u] consider and take a look at what he hires at those levels considering they are the ones preparing the boys for HIS high school program. I had two sons play at one of the middle schools and I never before have witnessed such incompetence amongst the coaches. VERY basic changes just wouldn't be made. It was SO agonizing they (my boys) decided they didn't want to play at all in high school. Not because they didn't like the sport but it was made to be so depressing in junior high. THAT is what is happening in Nederland... the love of the game is being lost in the middle schools!! Would I like to see a house cleaning in Nederland? Why not? It certainly hasn't hurt PN-G. Sometimes people get too comfortable and things need to be shaken up! When you have talent and it isn't utilized then sometimes you might need to consider other options. I think Nederland has some serious talent right now too and the first district game will show everyone exactly what Nederland has to offer! Good luck guys!!! [/quote] This is way over the top. I played Jr league in the 70's and played all my school sports in Nederland. We one 1 game a year at Jr High level and not very many in high school. You play because you love the sports, period. Most kids quite because they dont like the disciplne that goes with football. Some dont play because they specialize in other sports. Or they just hang out with the wrong crowd, either way, football is a sport you have love to play. [color=red][font=Comic Sans MS]I totally agree, not disagreeing with you on that!! BUT...I am speaking from my own experiences with one of the middle schools and football became a joke[/font][/color] As for as JR league football, I agree that some coaches out there do not know what is going on, however it is no different than other youths sports. The most inportant to any young player is to know to keep their head when they tackle so they dont get hurt. Kids should have fun in league sports but if they cant hack they need to find something else to do. By the way most all of the sophmores if not all them that are playing on Friday night play Jr league football is about half and half between hte 2 schools, and there are more coming right behind them. It is not for everyone. [color=red][font=Comic Sans MS] Actually there are 5 sophomores starting right now (6 counting Stampley once he recuperates) and out of those 6 only 1 came from CMS.[/font][/color] Are you aware the Central beat CO 8th grade A team for the first time 10 years last year [color=red][font=Comic Sans MS]Yes, I am VERY much aware of Central beating CO last year. Believe me it wasn't because of the talent of the coaching staff either. That was a very athletically dominant 8th grade class.[/font][/color] [/quote]   [/quote] Hopkins and Couron are from Central

[quote name="horndawg" post="849108" timestamp="1284733079"] Where is game (C O Wilson vs WOS) being played?  Time? [/quote] Bulldog Stadium in Nederland, 7th grade kicks off at 430, 8th grade B 5:30, 8th grade A 7pm

[quote name="BRAGADE187" post="848366" timestamp="1284608911"] The only half ned will win is half a first down! have you seen them kids from b/c play? i  :o [/quote] My post was being sarcastic... I guess you want to stir the pot. My intent was not stir up anything. This is youth football. I have seen them play and know what they have. Great team and coaches....

[quote name="VNUPE" post="848671" timestamp="1284669914"] The only way we will be able to put money on it is if WOS keeps Dayton on it's scrimmage schedule. It's not a real game, but the closest we'll get to one. Let's bet then. [/quote] My money is on WOS. By the way, looking forward to next Tuesday. It should be a great game

[quote name="Warpaint101" post="848336" timestamp="1284604995"] This is ridiculous,the only problem Nederland has had is injuries at key positions,other than that, they are going to always be 1 of the top 4 in 20-4a .... This thread has gotten way out of hand!! Cant wait to see yall at MCM!      Good luck on the rest of your season.. [/quote] I agree. I am moving on too

[quote name="smiley93" post="847984" timestamp="1284569241"] IMHO...Nederlands problem(s) actually start in the middle schools. I am going out on a limb here to say that probably most of us in these forums are middle aged. Well when I was in junior high, they played flag football and you didn't play contact football until high school. We didn't have all the junior leagues (for all sports) like they do now (which I don't agree with either as you're seeing way too many injuries amongst such young boys). Not all boys play in these junior leagues though. THAT being said, the boys are not being properly prepared for high school football at at least ONE of the middle schools for sure in Nederland. Neumann might want to [u][b]REALLY[/b][/u] consider and take a look at what he hires at those levels considering they are the ones preparing the boys for HIS high school program. I had two sons play at one of the middle schools and I never before have witnessed such incompetence amongst the coaches. VERY basic changes just wouldn't be made. It was SO agonizing they (my boys) decided they didn't want to play at all in high school. Not because they didn't like the sport but it was made to be so depressing in junior high. THAT is what is happening in Nederland... the love of the game is being lost in the middle schools!! Would I like to see a house cleaning in Nederland? Why not? It certainly hasn't hurt PN-G. Sometimes people get too comfortable and things need to be shaken up! When you have talent and it isn't utilized then sometimes you might need to consider other options. I think Nederland has some serious talent right now too and the first district game will show everyone exactly what Nederland has to offer! Good luck guys!!! [/quote] This is way over the top. I played Jr league in the 70's and played all my school sports in Nederland. We one 1 game a year at Jr High level and not very many in high school. You play because you love the sports, period. Most kids quite because they dont like the disciplne that goes with football. Some dont play because they specialize in other sports. Or they just hang out with the wrong crowd, either way, football is a sport you have love to play. As for as JR league football, I agree that some coaches out there do not know what is going on, however it is no different than other youths sports. The most inportant to any young player is to know to keep their head when they tackle so they dont get hurt. Kids should have fun in league sports but if they cant hack they need to find something else to do. By the way most all of the sophmores if not all them that are playing on Friday night play Jr league football is about half and half between hte 2 schools, and there are more coming right behind them. It is not for everyone. Are you aware the Central beat CO 8th grade A team for the first time 10 years last year

[quote name="football04" post="847766" timestamp="1284519536"]   Lum. White  over  Vidor   Kountze      over  Lum. Blue      WOS          over  Ned. White   Bridge City  over  Ned. Black   PNG White  over  Bmt Westend   PNG Purple  over  Little Cypress            We will see what happens on Saturday [/quote] I am taking Ned Black to win a half ::)

I would like to add, this is a young team and they will get better through the season. If you ever played the game, you would know what I am talking about. YES THEY CAN; compete, get better, play hard, play with pride, give 100%, YES they will!

[quote name="smitty" post="846318" timestamp="1284388298"] You are right, anything can happen.  Only time will tell.  But it hasn't been pretty so far.  By the way, I am a Nederland ISD taxpayer.  And yes, I believe in getting my money's worth.  Have not shown it yet though. [quote author=BaseBow link=topic=72900.msg846295#msg846295 date=1284386984] [quote author=smitty link=topic=72900.msg846221#msg846221 date=1284380869] After what you have seen so far, what gives you the impression Nederland can hang with PN-G, LC-M and possibly Lumberton.?  Livingston is another one to keep an eye on. [quote author=BaseBow link=topic=72900.msg846189#msg846189 date=1284367901] central..p.n.g..Nederland...no particular order in 20-4a...No matter what Nederland does Smitty will always find something wrong. Sounds to me like you need a hug Smitty ....We can meet some place if you would like.  :-* [/quote] [/quote]I have not seen anybody else play ..but the dogs..Who all have you seen play? I think we will be ok for the simple fact Barrow has not ran but 5 plays all of preseason :D ...We did give Carson a chance in the 4th qtr  TO THROW IT AROUND...I thought that was a little late..It would have been a differnt game if Trevin would have been in the BH game... 4th down & 1 run the wild cat ...new set of downs inside the 10.. And at least 1 TD does not score if not 2 ..You also had Stampley out wich is our best OS linebacker...WOS was just good when they played us. [/quote] [/quote] being a taxpayer has nothing to do with your opinions on high school football, your tax dollars are to educate our kids.

[quote name="EX-Ceauxch" post="846563" timestamp="1284407131"] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=72877.msg845396#msg845396 date=1284302255] [quote author=EX-Ceauxch link=topic=72877.msg845243#msg845243 date=1284261376] VIDOR- 12 NED. WHITE- 6 AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT..... [/quote] Why, whats up? [/quote][quote author=football04 link=topic=72877.msg845556#msg845556 date=1284320098] Yea what's up ? Are you just happy to beat Ned White or is there something else ? [/quote] I am one of the coaches for Ned White. We lost. I thought we were a better team than them. Our best player was ejected from the game middle of 3rd quarter. Did not like it one bit....That is what I meant by that's all I have to say about that. [/quote] Gottcha, I understand

[quote name="EX-Ceauxch" post="845243" timestamp="1284261376"] VIDOR- 12 NED. WHITE- 6 AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT..... [/quote] Why, whats up?

[quote name="PURPLE 4EVER" post="841740" timestamp="1283944631"] [quote author=Bulldog8 link=topic=71185.msg837121#msg837121 date=1283479271] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=71185.msg825992#msg825992 date=1281973154] [quote author=strongend link=topic=71185.msg825808#msg825808 date=1281905758] Didnt WOS schedule C.O. Wilson and some Beaumont school?  I heard there were some good 7 on 7 action between C.O. and WOS.  Hope that translates into a good game.  Does anyone know when and where they play? [/quote] Yes they do play each other this year and I am not sure yet where they play. They also played one another 3 times this year in 7 on 7 with WOS winning 2 of those, but all three were close and intense. I look for the real game to be that way as well. [/quote] You need to read my post closer; I said compete 8)! I dont need to see Dayton to belive you, however I have seen a lot of football and I know for a fact the WOS and CO Wilson is loaded and will be great football teams as the go through school ball. Come Gassila nd WOS fans, back me up ;D Aslo, if you really want to see what both teams are made sign up for 7 on 7 next summer and lets see what the lil boncos have I will go out on a limb and say the WOS & CO Wilson 8th grade A teams could compete with any 8th grade team in the state. Both teams are loaded with talent. Most importantly really good kids. I expect a great game and it will be fun to watch as this group grow up playing against each other. [/quote] You obviously haven't seen the 8th Grade Dayton Ponies. They are.... AWEsome!  Yet even more talent pouring into Dayton High School next year.  Lots of speed and size with this group. [/quote]

[quote name="4x4tx" post="840603" timestamp="1283813028"] Who is CO wilson? [/quote] Nederland has 2 middle schools, CO Wilson & Central

[quote name="fballfan" post="839618" timestamp="1283659157"] I would put any team in SJFL or STJFL up against the Silsbee Maroon Flag Team!! This team is amazing!  This will definately be a superbowl year for them!!! [/quote] You may want to concentrate on the teams in the Lone Star  before calling out the STJFL teams, sounds like EC is not too worried about you

[quote name="GCMPats" post="838829" timestamp="1283618715"] One quick question: When did it become a penalty to hit the punter AFTER a high snap? So as a punter I can run 50 yrds and you can not touch me if I attempt to kick the ball? WTH [/quote] It was a bad call, refs blew that one

[quote name="Chester86" post="836752" timestamp="1283425544"] 2:30 PM KOUNTZE [b]LUM - WHITE[/b] 4:30 PM LUM - BLUE [b]BC [/b] 2:30 PM [b]NED - WHITE[/b] BMT 12:30 PM PNG - WHITE [b]LC [/b] 2:30 PM [b]PNG - PURPLE[/b] VIDOR [b]WOS [/b]-- OPEN -- [/quote] What about Ned Black vs OF

[quote name="RB" post="836720" timestamp="1283398233"] [quote author=RB link=topic=71862.msg830744#msg830744 date=1282770065] [quote author=football04 link=topic=71862.msg830336#msg830336 date=1282701766] and who would that be ? [/quote] The Nome Yard Gnomes...... ;D ;D ??? ??? ;) ;) [/quote] Well its time for week one what are your predictions ?????? [/quote] I dont know are you going to answer football04 question?

[quote name="Gasilla" post="825992" timestamp="1281973154"] [quote author=strongend link=topic=71185.msg825808#msg825808 date=1281905758] Didnt WOS schedule C.O. Wilson and some Beaumont school?  I heard there were some good 7 on 7 action between C.O. and WOS.  Hope that translates into a good game.  Does anyone know when and where they play? [/quote] Yes they do play each other this year and I am not sure yet where they play. They also played one another 3 times this year in 7 on 7 with WOS winning 2 of those, but all three were close and intense. I look for the real game to be that way as well. [/quote] I will go out on a limb and say the WOS & CO Wilson 8th grade A teams could compete with any 8th grade team in the state. Both teams are loaded with talent. Most importantly really good kids. I expect a great game and it will be fun to watch as this group grow up playing against each other.

[quote name="Gasilla" post="834741" timestamp="1283138656"] Some of you people are out of your minds!!!! Neumann is one of the best coaches in this area. Do you remember what the Ned program was like before he came? I do! It wasn't pretty. He has had some horrible luck lately with injuries etc. and still had Nederland in the playoffs. You guys need to calm down a bit and just let him do his thing. The bad events can't last forever and Ned has some good young talent right now. Things will get better. [/quote] Thanks and I agree. As a coach you have to play the cards you are dealt with. Neumann and his staff does a great job and exceeds expectation. I could not imagine where our program would be without Neumann and his staff. I will say that the expectations will rise starting next year with all the talent coming through. We will be fine...