ozens fastest@1906

After the first 2 and 1/2 pages I thought this would end up a waste of a thread and also my time reading. However I'm glad I read through the entire thread and all post before clicking off.  As a coach for the past 20 years both in SETX and now in the Greater Houston Area and being very familiar with the WOS Tradition/ Culture and also the last good playoff runs in Ozen's short history, I feel as though I have earned the right to reply to some of the comments in regards to Elite Coaching and also Talent / Culture and how the state of football in SETX has changed in the past few years. 

1) IZZY you know I love ya like a son but the (50) 5-2 defense isn't trash, IT worked for years for the Mustangs because CT "Mastered" it along with his staff who many forget never really changed for years. So when you have coaches who have mastered a specific scheme and when I use the term mastered I mean they know how to make all of the adjustments in the scheme for what ever offenses will try to show em. What worked for the past coaching staff will not work for the present staff because its not them, simple as that!! You can't replace almost 30 years of CULTURE and as a community expect the same results. 

2) Talent plays just as much a part as Coaching "ELITE" or NOT.. An ELITE Coach I wont say any names but I will say this, he hired ME and gave me my first HS Coaching Job.. "You Cant Win The Kentucky Derby With A Mule" to break it down for you, You Cant Win A UIL STATE Championship Without Talent. 

3) Talent can make an average Coach look alot better but who cares, that average coach still has to put that TALENT into position to win, and also manage all of the talent on and off the field, and most importantly LEAD all that TALENT. 

4) What it all comes down to is allowing Coaches to set the culture for their programs, communities providing support financially and proudly supporting that team all year long. Championships aren't won in the FALL, they are won in the offseason and summer conditioning.  

Sure do, Coach Foster is doing well, yes he is currently retired. Will private message you more info... 

Great Coach who mentored me alot both as player and then again as a young coach and Defensive Coordinator.

1 hour ago, KF89 said:

James Brown was a special talent. The other guys mentioned were solid also, but Brown had some magic play making abilities throwing & running the ball.

You obviously never witnessed what Ambres did on the field. Brown was a great HS & College QB, however Ambres was equally as Talented if not more, he chose MLB over Texas A&M football so we never got to see him in college...

2 hours ago, AHUDDLESTON said:

The very first Head coach at West Brook was Alex Durley!

Well obviously and we know why, HE WAS THE BEST FOR THE JOB, and at that "TIME" HE WAS THE BEST COACH no matter what ethnic or race who could handle that situation and trust me if you knew how many people didn't want for him to have the job because of times then.  guess I should have stated in last few decades!!

12 minutes ago, DP#1FAN said:

Just hire the BEST coach that is all that matters.

gotcha, well I said in the another post that at this point it doesnt matter who they hire or what his background is. Football has to be a priority DISTRICT WIDE and that means providing that coach with the resources and ability to structure the program to as needed. Coaches/Kids in athletic periods, competitive stipends, etc..

1 hour ago, DP#1FAN said:

Beaumont, Texas has and has had some of the best high school talent in the state.  Getting the right person to led them is the key! ( and it shouldn't what color they are).  There it is I said that. Give the student/athletes the best chance to win.  

I think you need to elaborate, color wasn't the issue with the West Brook hire like it has been for years. West Brook has never HIRE and African American Coach...

What Izzy is saying from a coaches point which has to be respected since he has both played and coached at a level higher than most of the people trying to discredit him is simply this.. 6A programs especially a program which will see not only the best in HOUSTON AREA but the STATE. NORTH SHORE, ATASCACITA, CE KING (who knocked off a perennial top ten school as of recently) not too mention SUMMER CREEK. Gains nothing in regards to preparing for DISTRICT PLAY by playing down a CONFERENCE. Its like an SEC team playing LAMAR UNIVERSITY in order to prepare for GEORGIA, BAMA, LSU. 5A programs lack the O/LINE and D/LINE players that majority of your 6A schools will feature especially those which are in that Districts. SUMMER CREEK AND ATASCOCITA ALONE will feature at least two Power 5 linemen. When is the last time PNG has had those type of players in the trenches.. They are the norms in that district.. Yes PNG will be disciplined and are very well coached but nothing can prepare you for 6’5 300 every district game but actually facing it!!! 

On 9/3/2023 at 11:17 PM, Coach_Izzy said:

No matter who’s the coach, NO COACH is being successful in BISD under its current condition. Athletics need a whole revamp 

IZZY is right and its not about coaching or athletes at this point in BISD. Both schools have more than enough athletes to at least compete, and when I say compete I saying w/ 5A programs SMDH... The infrastructure for FOOTBALL is HORRIBLE. You can't compete at the 6A level when you don't have all of your COACHES/ATHLETES in the athletic period. Your athletes are put into BEHIND the 8ball when the playing field is not level. 6A OC/DC coordinators should not teach full loads of classes and only coach after school. Athletes cannot compete when the only time they are coached is after school. UIL and the state of TEXAS has allowed sport specific athletic classes (PE/ Athletic Periods) and when some schools take advantage and others don't it shows on the field. Also financially (the stipends in BISD) are not comparable to any of other 6A programs in the state so bringing in quality coaches/ or keeping coaches in a small town compared to LARGER DISTRICTS is hurting no only FB but all sports.. Im sorry but Basketball has a total of less than 50 players in a program. A quality FB program will have 100-120 so make it make since where BISD is putting their attention when it comes Athletics....   

10 hours ago, Coach_Izzy said:

😂😂😂 man you say anything 

That's a first for me "Equally caliber coaching" 

12 hours ago, navydawg31 said:

Don’t be scared now.. you want BISD to have that smoke!!! Go up and talk to that AD! 

Yall dont get it, the AD is a basketball guy who didn't coach very long if at all that I can remember. So fighting to put football in a better situation at both schools is not at the top of the list "maybe not even on the list" 

. Kingwood/West Brook

2. Magnolia West/Magnolia

3. Baytown Lee/Galveston Ball

4. United/PA Memorial

5. Nederland/Dayton

6. PN-G/Kingwood Park

7. Texas City/Crosby

8. Lumberton/Huffman

9. Splendora/Livingston

10. Vidor/LC-M

11. Jasper/Carthage

12. Rusk/Madisonville

13. Bridge City/Silsbee

14. Hamshire-Fannett/Hardin-Jefferson

15. WO-S/Orangefield

16. Diboll/Palestine Westwood

17. Buna/East Chambers

18. Kirbyville/Hardin

19. New Waverly/Hemphill

20. Garrison/Shelbyville

21. Timpson/San Augustine

22. West Sabine/Lovelady

23. High Island/Burkeville

24. Hull-Daisetta/Evadale

25. Trinity/Huntington

1. Atascocita/Summer Creek

2. College Station/Lufkin

3. Goose Creek Memorial/Baytown Lee

4. Friendswood/United

5. Galveston Ball/PA Memorial

6. Barbers Hill/PN-G

7. Nederland/Texas City

8. LC-M/Huffman

9. Livingston/Lumberton

10. Vidor/Splendora

11. Rusk/Jasper

12. Hardin-Jefferson/Bridge City

13. Orangefield/Liberty

14. Silsbee/WO-S

15. Palestine Westwood/Crockett

16. East Chambers/Anahuac

17. Hardin/Buna

18. Corrigan-Camden/Kountze

19. Newton/New Waverly

20. Garrison/Timpson

21. San Augustine/Joaquin

22. Lovelady/Colmesneil

23. Tenaha/West Sabine

24. Deweyville/Hull-Daisetta

25. Elkhart/Diboll

1. Summer Creek/CE King

2. Lufkin/New Caney

3. Baytown Lee/La Porte

4. Galveston Ball/Beaumont United

5. PA Memorial/Goose Creek Memorial

6. Crosby/Barbers Hill

7. PN-G/Dayton

8. Santa Fe/Nederland

9. Bridge City/Hamshire-Fannett

10. Liberty/Silsbee

11. WO-S/Hardin-Jefferson

12. Diboll/Huntington

13. Anahuac/Hardin

14. Buna/Tarkington

15. Kirbyville/Woodville

16. Kountze/Hemphill

17. New Waverly/Warren

18. Splendora/Shepherd

19. Jasper/LC-M

20. Anderson-Shiro/Newton

21. West Sabine/Overton

22. Mt. Enterprise/Cushing

23. Coldspring/Trinity

24. Crockett/Elkhart

25. Baytown Sterling/Friendswood

QUICK LINK WHICH WAS POSTED A FEW YEARS BACK... 

1. Cleveland/Magnolia West

2. Lufkin/Magnolia

3. Atascocita/Denton Guyer

4. West Brook/Deer Park

5. Huntsville/CE King

6. Bay City/Vidor

7. Hamshire-Fannett/Splendora

8. Navasota/Huffman

9. Shepherd/Liberty

10. Hardin-Jefferson/Jasper

11. Silsbee/Pleasant Grove

12. Livingston/Diboll

13. Bridge City/Anahuac

14. Lumberton/East Chambers

15. Orangefield/Buna

16. WO-S/Newton

17. Coldspring/Tarkington

18. Corrigan-Camden/Elkhart

19. Deweyville/Warren

20. Kelly/Kountze

21. Hull-Daisetta/West Hardin

22. Cushing/Evadale

23. West Sabine/Beckville

24. Shelbyville/Groveton

25. West Rusk/San Augustine

1. Magnolia/College Station

2. Magnolia West/Lufkin

3. Porter/New Caney

4. Waller/Cleveland

5. Conroe/Summer Creek

6. Barbers Hill/Houston Heights

7. Goose Creek Memorial/Dayton

8. PA Memorial/Crosby

9. PN-G/Tomball

10. Baytown Lee/Lumberton

11. Silsbee/Nederland

12. Huffman/Bridge City

13. Vidor/Brazosport

14. Livingston/Orangefield

15. Buna/Hardin-Jefferson

16. Diboll/Liberty

17. East Chambers/Hamshire-Fannett

18. Newton/Kirbyville

19. Woodville/Corrigan-Camden

20. Hemphill/West Sabine

21. Warren/West Hardin

22. Hardin/Beaumont Kelly

23. Colmesneil/Deweyville

24. Shelbyville/Waskom

25. Bullard Brook Hill/Tenaha

1. Tomball Memorial/West Brook

2. Barbers Hill/PA Memorial

3. North Shore/Klein Collins

4. Atascocita/Allen

5. Kingwood Park/New Caney

6. Manvel/Crosby

7. United/PN-G

8. Bellaire Episcopal/Vidor

9. Jasper/Silsbee

10. LC-M/WO-S

11. Lumberton/Coldspring

12. Shepherd/Kirbyville

13. East Chambers/Hardin-Jefferson

14. Orangefield/Woodville

15. Tarkington/Bridge City

16. Buna/Hemphill

17. Newton/Diboll

18. Evadale/Warren

19. Hull-Daisetta/Hardin

20. West Hardin/Kountze

21. Cushing/Deweyville

22. Livingston/Tyler Chapel Hill

23. Summer Creek/Spring Dekaney

24. Liberty/Madisonville

25. Huntington/Shelbyville

1. North Shore/Shadow Creek

2. United/West Brook

3. Lancaster/PA Memorial

4. Katy Paetow/Barbers Hill

5. Jasper/PN-G

6. WO-S/Nederland

7. Liberty/Huffman

8. LC-M/Hamshire-Fannett

9. Lumberton/H. Waltrip

10. Silsbee/Vidor

11. Hardin-Jefferson/Coldspring

12. Shepherd/Tarkington

13. Anahuac/Orangefield

14. Bridge City/Buna

15. Crockett/Corrigan-Camden

16. Hardin/Kountze

17. Kirbyville/Hemphill

18. Woodville/Newton

19. Deweyville/West Hardin

20. San Augustine/West Sabine

21. Somerville/Hull-Daisetta

22. Evadale/Bmt. Kelly

23. Center/Tatum

24. Grapeland/Shelbyville

25. Groveton/Lovelady

On 5/10/2021 at 10:06 AM, Pot Stirrer said:

Nothing to see here. Run fast and turn left, jump over anything in the way. That takes a lot of skill (sarcasm). Football should not be compared to track.

 

Devils Advocate:

Track requires the least amount of coaching and team cohesion. 99% of high school track coaches are all football coaches 1st. 

I would have to say this may be the most back wood - none athletic competing - hold my beer "then bust his ARSE" statement I have read in a long time. Track & Field and Elite Track & Field takes more coaching than most sports including football. You show me a coach who can teach proper vertical or horizonal jumps technique and I will also show you a football coach who relies on just given the ball to the best athlete (which takes no coaching). A good track and field coach has to understand how to set up an actual training program for all athletes (runners, jumpers, throwers, distance, sprinters, hurdlers...) When you get into the major metroplex cities outside of SETX most HS only hire non football coaches as their Cross Country / Head Track Coaches, its very rare that you have football coaches as the Head Track/ Cross Country coach.

So here is the run down on who they are and why they are top 5!

Ceasar - Best overall  and complete WR (Hands, Routes, Speed)

Brandon Nash - (Hands - Big Play Ability)

(Flap) Franklin - (Speed, Speed, Speed) Big Tall WR who could stretch the field

Errick Lewis - (Best Route Runner, Hands, Release at LOS) C/O 2000 was #1 on depth chart over (Ceasar & Henderson)

Willie Jefferson - (Best Red Zone Threat - Literally unmatched inside the 20) Numbers hurt b/c of offense under Coach Rison 

Don't let the schools and offers other guys blind you!! This BMT how many guys never got to the next level but clearly had the  talent.. How many had the offers and went as (BUST). 

Top 5 List!! 

1) Caleb Ceasar 

2) Brandon Nash

3) Wallace Franklin (Flap)

4) Errick Lewis

5) Willie Jefferson

 ALPHA WOLF, what CHURCH are you referring too and when has a church ever had enough influence over who is hired as a Football Coach and also who are some of your qualified candidates that you would have loved to seen get the position..

1.    Beaumont United/Sheldon C.E. King

2.    Channelview/Beaumont West Brook

3.    New Caney/Port Arthur Memorial

4.    Baytown Lee/Barbers Hill

5.    Crosby/Port Neches-Groves

6.    Nederland/Dayton

7.    Vidor/Santa Fe

8.    Bridge City/Little Cypress-Mauriceville

9.    Lumberton/Huffman Hargrave

10.  Jasper/Shepherd

11.  Hardin-Jefferson/Hamshire-Fannett

12.  West Orange-Stark/Silsbee

13.  Coldspring-Oakhurst/Diboll

14.  East Chambers/Orangefield

15.  Hardin/Kirbyville

16.  Warren/Anahuac

17.  Woodville/Buna

18.  Newton/Kountze

19.  Hull-Daisetta/San Augustine

20.  Shelbyville/Deweyville

21.  Evadale/Beaumont Kelly Catholic

22.  A&M Consolidated/Lamar Consolidated

23.  La Porte/Baytown Sterling

24.  Goose Creek Memorial/Porter

25.  Livingston/Splendora

1.   Beaumont West Brook/Beaumont United

2.   Baytown Sterling/Channelview

3.   Barbers Hill/Nederland

4.   Crosby/Dayton

5.   Port Neches-Groves/Vidor

6.   Santa Fe/Baytown Lee

7.   Diboll/Crockett

8.   Anahuac/Buna

9.   East Chambers/Hardin

10. Orangefield/Kirbyville

11. Warren/Woodville

12. Evadale/West Hardin

13. Hardin-Jefferson/Tarkington

14. Longview Spring Hill/Silsbee

15. Jasper/West Orange-Stark

16. Shepherd/Hamshire-Fannett

17. Legacy School of Sports Science/Newton

18. Hemphill/West Sabine

19. Beaumont Kelly Catholic/Deweyville

20. Carrollton Prince of Peace/Beaumont Legacy Christian

21. Sabine Pass/Houston KIPP

22. Houston Emery-Weiner/Baytown Christian

23. Galena Park North Shore/Sheldon C.E. King

24. Galena Park/New Caney

25. Huntsville/Cleveland

1.    A&M Consolidated/Huntsville

2.    Baytown Lee/Port Neches-Groves

3.    Newton/Gilmer

4.    Grapeland/Evadale

5.    Beaumont United/Baytown Sterling

6.    Port Arthur Memorial/Galena Park

7.    Sheldon C.E. King/Beaumont West Brook

8.    Dayton/Barbers Hill

9.    Nederland/Santa Fe

10.  Vidor/Crosby

11.  Coldspring-Oakhurst/Franklin

12.  Buna/Orangefield

13.  Hardin/Warren

14.  Kirbyville/Anahuac

15.  Woodville/East Chambers

16.  Hardin-Jefferson/Little Cypress-Mauriceville

17.  La Marque/Jasper

18.  Silsbee/Lumberton

19.  Tarkington/Hamshire-Fannett

20.  West Orange-Stark/Bridge City

21.   Alto/Corrigan-Camden

22.   Kountze/Hull-Daisetta

23.   San Augustine/Hemphill

24.   High Island/Chester

25.   Cypress Christian/Beaumont Kelly Catholic