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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360534" timestamp="1357103909"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360531#msg1360531 date=1357103612] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360526#msg1360526 date=1357103155] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360521#msg1360521 date=1357102596] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360518#msg1360518 date=1357102296] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360515#msg1360515 date=1357101958] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360506#msg1360506 date=1357101407] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360503#msg1360503 date=1357100879] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360499#msg1360499 date=1357100555] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash [/quote]      and if hj had played a schedule that pleases you, they would have no more or no less kids playing in college than they do now.  funny u never told me why DUGAT started at BAYLOR despite being from Dayton where the schedule was never very difficult [/quote] Dayton was a 4a school at the time. And hancock followed in his brother footsteps and the best one had to go to juco firsf. Ashton was a 6'4 wing man. One of a kind in kountze. That's 4 players from kountze out of all these great records kountze has had since the David green era. [/quote]      they played d-1 because they were good enough and not because of their schedule- the recruiting system was aware of them and they were not recruited because of playing in a specific tourney [/quote] 4 out of a hundred great players with grades and you think that proves a point. You need help. So all the other players that played at the great HJ wasn't good enough but had 25-3 records and went deep in the playoffs wasn't good enough. Well you keep defending great records against against weak competition. Call me when they bring a state ring home [/quote]    Competition is always tough in the playoffs.  no easy teams at that point-  as i said (and you refuse to acknowledge) playoff record since 2007 is 23-5 and it includes two appearances in Austin and a state championship..  You very simply cant "talk that away' no matter how hard you try.  As for your "call me" comment, why dont you "call me" when a local team does better [/quote] Let's see if that happens this year. Won't be no jv teams in the playoffs. No EC, or anahuac. What you not understanding is you don't have those kind of players you had in previous years. These players not on those past team levels. They need better competition to be able to handle a playoff atmosphere [/quote]    all of the players on this team were on the team that lost a very close game last year against #1 Waco LaVega-  dont lecture on experience when you havent the slightest idea what their playoff experience is [/quote] Hey smarty pants, Shawn Prudhomme is not on this year team this year. This the same experienceed team that blew out Central to. We all saw the diffetence he made this year didn't we.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360533" timestamp="1357103779"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360527#msg1360527 date=1357103265] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360524#msg1360524 date=1357103009] State Title in 2007 and State Semis in 2009 with the so called "patsy" schedule. [/quote] I never said patsy. Somebody else said that. I'm talking about now. Those teams were really good. This is a decent team for HJ, which should be playing better competition to get them ready to make that run.. [/quote]    For the umpteenth time, the people making the scheduling decisions know C O N S I D E R A B L Y  M O R E  about what will help their team than you do.  Can u not grasp that F A C T?  This is about like me suggesting that if Kobe and LeBron would just listen to me, they would be better players. [/quote] Hey HJ police man we will see or maybe they play a team like Central and see what happens,but oh yea level of competition won't matter because EC and Ozen jv gave them the test they needed to get past a competitive team

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1360529" timestamp="1357103480"] My real question freeze is it that HJ plays a weak schedule, or that you feel that they don't get enough exposure for their players??  THat is what it really sounds like to me!!!! [/quote] I said the tournaments they went to was weak. Not the whole schedule. AAU will get them they looks but strength of schedule does hurt there recrecruiting

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360526" timestamp="1357103155"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360521#msg1360521 date=1357102596] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360518#msg1360518 date=1357102296] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360515#msg1360515 date=1357101958] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360506#msg1360506 date=1357101407] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360503#msg1360503 date=1357100879] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360499#msg1360499 date=1357100555] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash [/quote]      and if hj had played a schedule that pleases you, they would have no more or no less kids playing in college than they do now.  funny u never told me why DUGAT started at BAYLOR despite being from Dayton where the schedule was never very difficult [/quote] Dayton was a 4a school at the time. And hancock followed in his brother footsteps and the best one had to go to juco firsf. Ashton was a 6'4 wing man. One of a kind in kountze. That's 4 players from kountze out of all these great records kountze has had since the David green era. [/quote]      they played d-1 because they were good enough and not because of their schedule- the recruiting system was aware of them and they were not recruited because of playing in a specific tourney [/quote] 4 out of a hundred great players with grades and you think that proves a point. You need help. So all the other players that played at the great HJ wasn't good enough but had 25-3 records and went deep in the playoffs wasn't good enough. Well you keep defending great records against against weak competition. Call me when they bring a state ring home [/quote]    Competition is always tough in the playoffs.  no easy teams at that point-  as i said (and you refuse to acknowledge) playoff record since 2007 is 23-5 and it includes two appearances in Austin and a state championship..  You very simply cant "talk that away' no matter how hard you try.  As for your "call me" comment, why dont you "call me" when a local team does better [/quote] Let's see if that happens this year. Won't be no jv teams in the playoffs. No EC, or anahuac. What you not understanding is you don't have those kind of players you had in previous years. These players not on those past team levels. They need better competition to be able to handle a playoff atmosphere

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1360524" timestamp="1357103009"] State Title in 2007 and State Semis in 2009 with the so called "patsy" schedule. [/quote] I never said patsy. Somebody else said that. I'm talking about now. Those teams were really good. This is a decent team for HJ, which should be playing better competition to get them ready to make that run..

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360518" timestamp="1357102296"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360515#msg1360515 date=1357101958] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360506#msg1360506 date=1357101407] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360503#msg1360503 date=1357100879] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360499#msg1360499 date=1357100555] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash [/quote]      and if hj had played a schedule that pleases you, they would have no more or no less kids playing in college than they do now.  funny u never told me why DUGAT started at BAYLOR despite being from Dayton where the schedule was never very difficult [/quote] Dayton was a 4a school at the time. And hancock followed in his brother footsteps and the best one had to go to juco firsf. Ashton was a 6'4 wing man. One of a kind in kountze. That's 4 players from kountze out of all these great records kountze has had since the David green era. [/quote]      they played d-1 because they were good enough and not because of their schedule- the recruiting system was aware of them and they were not recruited because of playing in a specific tourney [/quote] 4 out of a hundred great players with grades and you think that proves a point. You need help. So all the other players that played at the great HJ wasn't good enough but had 25-3 records and went deep in the playoffs wasn't good enough. Well you keep defending great records against against weak competition. Call me when they bring a state ring home

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360513" timestamp="1357101764"] [quote author=CATMAN link=topic=107769.msg1360508#msg1360508 date=1357101451] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360444#msg1360444 date=1357093030] How tough were the schedules of Normangees Joseph Jones before he played at A&M?  Same goes for Shaq at San Antonio Cole [/quote]I Guess his jr.year was they got beat in reg.3 the 1st round. [/quote]    Point was that if u r at small school and r good, the recruiting system will know about you and your playing schedule will have  little if any effect on whether or not u get a college scholarship [/quote] Small school players get overlooked because most coaches don't think the level of competition they playing against is not good enough unless they playing in a good AAU program.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360506" timestamp="1357101407"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360503#msg1360503 date=1357100879] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360499#msg1360499 date=1357100555] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash [/quote]      and if hj had played a schedule that pleases you, they would have no more or no less kids playing in college than they do now.  funny u never told me why DUGAT started at BAYLOR despite being from Dayton where the schedule was never very difficult [/quote] Dayton was a 4a school at the time. And hancock followed in his brother footsteps and the best one had to go to juco firsf. Ashton was a 6'4 wing man. One of a kind in kountze. That's 4 players from kountze out of all these great records kountze has had since the David green era.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360499" timestamp="1357100555"] Doesnt matter one bit if there were any coaches there.  If there is a good player at a small school, the recruiting system is sophisticated enough to know about them.  Prudhomme got lots of looks and so did Donahoe based on virtually the same schedule.  One d-1 coach came to a playoff game last year to look at Prudhomme and came away interested in Bosha.  Stop trying to suggest that a kid from a small school is going to get a scholarship simply by playing in a specific tourney.  Once again, you dont look too smart trying to suggest that you know more than the HJ coaching staff about how they should structure its schedule.  In fact, it really looks very silly. [/quote] I look silly. Hahaha,and you sound like a genius. Nobody said I know more than HJ coaching staff. I know that tournament was weak and HJ didn't belong. And you keep believing level of competition matter to college coaches. All these great HJ records but only a few players go to d1 colleges. According to you numbers don't lie, well that's some numbed for you Nash

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360490" timestamp="1357099710"] SHANNN HOLMES AND GENE ISABELL.    Who cares about that.  The whole point being made is that the coaching staff is CONSIDERABLY better qualified to make scheduling decisions than you are.  You started this by saying that the schedule hurts college prospects for HJ players and I am saying that playing Gamble instead of EC means NOTHING at all and has Zero bearing on their chance to advance their careers. [/quote] Okay nash if you say so. Mr HJ protector. Tell me how many college coaches were at EC tournament. If you believe what you just said you need to check the cigarette you puffing on

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360483" timestamp="1357098955"] Spears held out for a larger school/scholarship and made a mistake doing so.  jackson was offered a junior college scholarship and took it.  Going to a jc is another way of "proving" oneself.  And yes, it does matter who did better at lamar.  You are saying it doesnt because it doesnt bolster your point.  If HJ had played at the Gamble tourney, it would have no (Zero-nada) on the basketball future of the individual for whom you are concerened [/quote] Why are you keep going back to one individual. That has nothing to do with playing in a weaker tournament. He is taken care of. Juco also say 9 times out of 10 their grades wasn't good enough to get in d1. Some of the best players go juco and never make it out. Nobody go to juco and turn down d1 offers if they had grades. Name me the last HJ player that went d1 straight out of high school

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360475" timestamp="1357097853"] No - you ARE mistaken- Jackson came to Lamar from Tyler JC, so he had to prove himself just like Spears did.  You still never answered my question:  Who had the more productive career at Lamar?  The player who came from a 5A school with the "tough" schedule or the player who came from a little old 3-a school that never plays anybody? [/quote] So my point was proven. He he went to juco. Was given a scholarship from Tyler where as spears had to earn his scholarship. Don't matter who had the more productive career. He had to prove hisself when he had amazing numbers in high school,but why? He wasn't battle tested

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360468" timestamp="1357096671"] Disagree- Jackson was a product of 5-a, supposedly the hardest schedule and Spears from lowly HJ where they play only easy teams.  Who was more productive at Lamar?  Several posts ago, you said grades were the problem and now you say height was the problem- which was it?  Who would want a 6'4" center?  Probably a lot more than a 6'1" center like Rideaux. [/quote] In recent years that has been central's problem. Name me 4 players who came out of central and went straight to d1 since Jackson. But I bet I can name 10 who had to go to juco because of grades. You talking about Jackson like that wasn't early 90s. We are talking now. If I'm not mistaken Jackson had a scholarship to Lamar coming out of high school and didn't have to earn one like spears did. Not saying spears wasn't good enough because he was but like most small school prospects, they have to prove they self once they get there because coaches don't think they are ready.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360464" timestamp="1357095719"] Of course, you know all about Silsbee. (and yet you claim to know specifics about a Silsbee player who graduated in 2011) You are a seasoned, highly connected basketball coach who can out recruit anybody.  No need to try that.  If you want to use Central, so be it- I refer you back, then to the Ron Jackson/Kenyon Spears analogy.  How do you compare the schedules of a 3-a school and a 4-a school?  Let me give you a hint, that you really shoudnt need.  HJ had no idea that the ozen JV would be in the tourney.  They also had no idea that the Ozen JV would be in their same bracket.  They also had no idea that three teams would withdraw from the tourney at the last minute.  So to suggest what you have suggested, once again, makes you look less than credible.  And one more thing,- I guess Clemson forgot today what a superior schedule is played by LSU [/quote] You speak nonsense. When Ron Jackson played central was 5a. Ron didn't have to walk on. And Stallworth was on the recruiting list but was over shadowed because he was a 6'4 center his senior year. Which d1 will recruit a 6'4 center? The whole tournament was sub par. Look at the final score of the championship game. Where was the competition? That was easy wins besides Ozen jv. They just made it seem weaker. The Gamble had openings.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360461" timestamp="1357095081"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360453#msg1360453 date=1357093601] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360445#msg1360445 date=1357093159] My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received? [/quote] That had nothing to do with basketball but a lot with grades [/quote]      That is not the whole story.  Your old school inquired about him at the beginning of the year and never asked again as per the words of his head coach.  Even if your version is correct, that hardly makes an overwhelming case for Silsbee.  Both schools have had very similar results/performances in recent years and yet, the perception is that Silsbee plays a very difficult schedule and HJ plays a patsy schedule. If that is correct, how many more D-1 players did Silsbee produce and how many more regional or state titles did Silsbee produce?  This is not intended as a knock on Silsbee but rather to show that there is more than one way to "skin a cat"and you simply can't PROVE otherwise. [/quote] I was speaking of Central. I don't know about Silsbee

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1360445" timestamp="1357093159"] My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received? [/quote] That had nothing to do with basketball but a lot with grades

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360444" timestamp="1357093030"] How tough were the schedules of Normangees Joseph Jones before he played at A&M?  Same goes for Shaq at San Antonio Cole [/quote] You bring up shaq like be wasn't 7 foot tall. We talking bout 5'10 guards these days. And now a days level of competition does have something to do with how they are recruited. I don't how they did in the 70s when you played, but these days we would take a 5a player averaging 15 a game before they would take a 3a player averaging 30. Again learn my background before you say what I can't do. I wonder why kenyon had to go walk on at Lamar. He was the star at HJ but I wonder what his schedule was like. Jones was huge, shaq huge. Come on be reasonable

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360432" timestamp="1357090761"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360419#msg1360419 date=1357088320] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360416#msg1360416 date=1357087610] Please list for me all of the 3-a players from this area that have gotten d-1scholarhsips in recent years. And dont insult me by suggesting it has nothing to do with a single individual.  Do you know how ABSOLUTELY foolish you look criticizing a highly accomplished coaching staff/program?  You also look pretty foolish tryng to imply that HJ somehow knew in advance they would play the Ozen JV.  Three teams pulled out of that tourney at a very late stage and that is probably why the Ozen JV was given a spot in the tourney.  As i said earlier, name another local team who is 23-5 in the playoffs the last five or six years, and then I will consider that your position has the slightest bit of credibility. [/quote] Nobody criticizing no coach. You want to make it look like that because I said they played in a sub par tournament. Any school with that much talent every year who plays 2a school would have such record. Ryan Donahoe was d1 talent, Shawn Prudhomme was d1 talent, Tron Rideaux was d1 talent. This years team has less talent than former teams. At the end of the day if you plan to compete with Yates, you have to play Yated type talent. Playing in Anuhac and East Chambers don't get you that type of competition,but you being a fan and worrying about records but never making it over the hump is fine with you right. [/quote]    Lets see: Ryan Donahoe:  had scholarship papers from SFA on the coaches desk on signing day and refused to sign them because of poor advice from an AAU coach who had convinced him something better was coming. Shawn Prudhomme:  was scheduled to visit Nicholls and Charleston Southern, and had a private workout with UNO.  Nicholls and Charleston Southern called and "dumped" him on the same day.  Their fear was that he wasn't a good enough three point shooter.  However, if you go look it up, he is currently 3rd in his conference in 3 point shooting at 42% so an obvious mistake on the DI school's parts. Tron Rideaux:  My youngest son played with him and laughed hysterically when I told him what you said.  He was not even an all-district player in high school much less DI material. If you are as educated on the recyruiting process as you are attempting to lead everyone to believe then you would know that 90% of the recruiting process takes place during the summer.  So, no, the season schedule has very little to do with it.  Kenyon Spears (at UNO and HJ grad) once told me that if you can play they will find you.  I trust his word more than yours. [/quote] I laugh at you when u talk about recruiting. Now the Donahoe situation I just got word on that one. I know kenyon. Shawn only had Nichols and Charleston south. That's it. All the work he gave at HJ. Nichols only recruit 3 point shooters, mainly Australians. The weakest team in the southland. Kenyon speak about players all the time. Ask him why be is not in HJ gym. He sure not caring about a record. Colleges want battle tested kids. Before you knock somebody background make sure you know it first. I can recruit you and anybody you know under the table rookie. This whole thing got took out of the prospective all because I asked why was HJ in the weak tournament and the HJ faithfuls come to the rescue defending records. I watched what central did and I watched them play Ozen jv. Any championship game of a tournament as one sided as EC game was shows that one team didn't have no business there. Point blank period

[quote name="SFAJax96" post="1360417" timestamp="1357087823"] been reading this crap and got so tired of the ignorance I felt compelled to register. If you are ignorant enough to think a teams schedule affects whether or not a kid plays in college then it explains why you say the things you say.  from reading these posts it sounds as if you (freeze) are a coach too if thats the case and you are so concerned about hjs schedule then be a man and take your happy a$$ up to the school, be a man, and ask the coach face to face instead being a chicken $hit and stirring it up on some message board. [/quote] So you mean to tell me that a kid playing 1a ball and averages 30 will get the same looks as a kid playing 5a ball averaging 30?

[quote name="SFAJax96" post="1360417" timestamp="1357087823"] been reading this crap and got so tired of the ignorance I felt compelled to register. If you are ignorant enough to think a teams schedule affects whether or not a kid plays in college then it explains why you say the things you say.  from reading these posts it sounds as if you (freeze) are a coach too if thats the case and you are so concerned about hjs schedule then be a man and take your happy a$$ up to the school, be a man, and ask the coach face to face instead being a chicken $hit and stirring it up on some message board. [/quote] First of all Mr jax nothing about what I said was ignorant. If you think a college coach want to come in the gym and see a player he looking at play a JV team you need to think again. I have asked the right people and they say its a tradition but wish they had better level of comp there. Second of all watch your language. I'm nor stirring up nothing. It's a message board. This is what suppose to happen on it. Duh!!! It only does effect potential scholarships but it also affect you down the line when it really count.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360416" timestamp="1357087610"] Please list for me all of the 3-a players from this area that have gotten d-1scholarhsips in recent years. And dont insult me by suggesting it has nothing to do with a single individual.  Do you know how ABSOLUTELY foolish you look criticizing a highly accomplished coaching staff/program?  You also look pretty foolish tryng to imply that HJ somehow knew in advance they would play the Ozen JV.  Three teams pulled out of that tourney at a very late stage and that is probably why the Ozen JV was given a spot in the tourney.  As i said earlier, name another local team who is 23-5 in the playoffs the last five or six years, and then I will consider that your position has the slightest bit of credibility. [/quote] Nobody criticizing no coach. You want to make it look like that because I said they played in a sub par tournament. Any school with that much talent every year who plays 2a school would have such record. Ryan Donahoe was d1 talent, Shawn Prudhomme was d1 talent, Tron Rideaux was d1 talent. This years team has less talent than former teams. At the end of the day if you plan to compete with Yates, you have to play Yated type talent. Playing in Anuhac and East Chambers don't get you that type of competition,but you being a fan and worrying about records but never making it over the hump is fine with you right.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360407" timestamp="1357085446"] The objective of the TEAM (not individual) is what is most important.  If a kid can get seen in Huntsville or Austin, it will help him a lot more than it will to be seen at the James Gamble tourney.  Your personal "issues" regarding HJ came to the surface in your last tirade(regarding Central coaching) and it is about to again.  Rest assured that the individual you believe you are helping can only be harmed by your efforts. [/quote] This has nothing to do with central or one individual. It's about playing in a sub par tournament and blowing everybody out. You still can't tell me how did playing Ozen JV will help them down the road or a East Chambers team. And you named all these accomplishment HJ has, which great team accomplishments that nobody in the area can touch but of all these great teams how many of those kids got college scholarships outside of juco? Explain that. So you saying none of those teams had d1 talent?

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360404" timestamp="1357084449"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360392#msg1360392 date=1357083042] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360353#msg1360353 date=1357075276] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1357074087] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360343#msg1360343 date=1357073203] You ever stop long enough to think that: 1) HJ has no control over who they get matched up with 2). This has always been a 12 team tourney and 3 teams dropped late and EC was very limited on who they could get to fill in as evidenced by the fact that it ended up as a 9 team tourney this year EC has traditionally been a very competitive tournament that got some bad breaks this year [/quote] Why not just go to where the competition at? We all know where that was. They determine what tournaments they go to. I wonder why teams dropped out, I surely wasn't because the tournament was to strong. HJ to good to be playing against those small schools [/quote]      Hey, Mr. scheduling expert.  why dont you wait until your team has been to six consecutive regional tourneys and two trips to austin and a state title in the last 6 years.  When you have done that, maybe the HJ crowd will consider your opinion as credible. [/quote] How I knew somebody would justify HJ playing a JV team. What does all that have to do with them playing in a sub par tournament. All that is past accomplishments. Tell me how playing in that tournament will have them ready. Ozen JV have college prospect on it. [/quote] Most teams that play in 3-a dont have d-1 college prospects on it.  They have been playing the same basic schedule for a very long time and their playoff success in recent years is unparallelled by anyone in this area.  Therefore, whatever approach they are taking is PROVEN to be a good one .  Pleasing you is not a priority o r a necessity for doing well. [/quote] Thank you for saying that. So if you do have d1 prospects on your team, like HJ does, why would you play in these tournaments you know your going to win, instead of playing better competition to boost your players stock. Oh my fault as long as they have a good record and kids going to juco its fine. Playing Ozen JV will surely get those guys to d1.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360354" timestamp="1357075341"] attention all local coaches:  You are hereby instructed not to enter any tournaments until certain tourney "experts"( even if only self perceived) approve your participation [/quote] Hey coaches its okay to go to tournaments that you haven't ever loss in instead of putting your team thru a test to get ready for the playoffs.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360353" timestamp="1357075276"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1357074087] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360343#msg1360343 date=1357073203] You ever stop long enough to think that: 1) HJ has no control over who they get matched up with 2). This has always been a 12 team tourney and 3 teams dropped late and EC was very limited on who they could get to fill in as evidenced by the fact that it ended up as a 9 team tourney this year EC has traditionally been a very competitive tournament that got some bad breaks this year [/quote] Why not just go to where the competition at? We all know where that was. They determine what tournaments they go to. I wonder why teams dropped out, I surely wasn't because the tournament was to strong. HJ to good to be playing against those small schools [/quote]      Hey, Mr. scheduling expert.  why dont you wait until your team has been to six consecutive regional tourneys and two trips to austin and a state title in the last 6 years.  When you have done that, maybe the HJ crowd will consider your opinion as credible. [/quote] How I knew somebody would justify HJ playing a JV team. What does all that have to do with them playing in a sub par tournament. All that is past accomplishments. Tell me how playing in that tournament will have them ready. Ozen JV have college prospect on it.