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The basketball schedule for district 25-2A is different than there football schedule. What is up with that? Football  Schedule    10-2A-I   
                                               
Anahuac
East Chambers
Hardin
Kirbyville
Kountze
Newton
Warren
Woodville

Basketball Schedule  25-2A

East Chambers
Hardin
Houston YES Prep East
Houston YES Prep N Central
Houston YES Prep SE
Houston YES Prep SW
YES Prep Gulfton
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[quote name="monknuk68" post="1176516" timestamp="1329053243"]
The basketball schedule for district 25-2A is different than there football schedule. What is up with that? Football  Schedule    10-2A-I   
                                               
Anahuac
East Chambers
Hardin
Kirbyville
Kountze
Newton
Warren
Woodville

Basketball Schedule  25-2A

East Chambers
Hardin
Houston YES Prep East
Houston YES Prep N Central
Houston YES Prep SE
Houston YES Prep SW
YES Prep Gulfton

[/quote]

With the split between Division I and Division II in 2A football, it is not uncommon for 2A basketball districts to vary from the football districts.

Now why does East Chambers have a screwed up basketball district like they do?  Only selected members of the UIL selection committee know that.
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1176627" timestamp="1329080849"]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.     
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[quote name="ECBucFan" post="1176638" timestamp="1329082224"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1176627" timestamp="1329080849"]
At least EC will go to [u][b]playoffs[/b][/u] for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

You brought up the subject of "playoffs", and it was answered directly, so now you try to spin the subject.  ::)

The Bucs made it to the State Championship in Austin in '95, and has made it to the Tyler regionals numerous times, along with making the playoffs for something like 20 years straight or so, and are the 2011 2A District Champions, beating out Kountze and Anahuac last year.
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[quote name="ECBucFan" post="1176652" timestamp="1329083748"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to [u][b]playoffs[/b][/u] for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

You brought up the subject of "playoffs", and it was answered directly, so now you try to spin the subject.  ::)

The Bucs made it to the State Championship in Austin in '95, and has made it to the Tyler regionals numerous times, along with making the playoffs for something like 20 years straight or so, and are the 2011 2A District Champions, beating out Kountze and Anahuac last year.
[/quote]But maybe the road to Austin can be seen in the distance a little clearer now ;)
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1176644" timestamp="1329082774"]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176921" timestamp="1329140598"]
I know one thing, those YES Prep schools had better build some gymnasiums, or EC will be playing them OUTSIDE at Finnegan Park across from Wheatley High School!!  ;D
[/quote]LOL! EC ain't going to Finnegan Park..LOL! Yes Prep will win on default ;D
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[quote name="Lt. Dangle" post="1176922" timestamp="1329140794"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1176928" timestamp="1329141463"]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176931" timestamp="1329142335"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]

Dick- Looks like you are moving away from Nederland and are now taking on EC.  The saga continues.
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[quote name="stevenash" post="1176934" timestamp="1329142575"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176931#msg1176931 date=1329142335]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]

Dick- Looks like you are moving away from Nederland and are now taking on EC.  The saga continues.
[/quote]
Nah, just giving them a break...I'll be back to burst their preverbial bubbles some more in a few..... 8)...I actually LIKE the EC faithful...They have realistic expectations of their team, and have had a decent amount of success in doing so.... ::)....but what do I know..... ::)
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176936" timestamp="1329142751"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95855.msg1176934#msg1176934 date=1329142575]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176931#msg1176931 date=1329142335]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]

Dick- Looks like you are moving away from Nederland and are now taking on EC.  The saga continues.
[/quote]
Nah, just giving them a break...I'll be back to burst their preverbial bubbles some more in a few..... 8)...I actually LIKE the EC faithful...They have realistic expectations of their team, and have had a decent amount of success in doing so.... ::)....but what do I know..... ::)
[/quote]

Why burst the proverbial (note the correct spelling) the bubbles of anyone?  Isn't everyone entitled to their own hopes/dreams/beliefs?
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[quote name="stevenash" post="1176941" timestamp="1329143424"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176936#msg1176936 date=1329142751]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95855.msg1176934#msg1176934 date=1329142575]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176931#msg1176931 date=1329142335]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]

Dick- Looks like you are moving away from Nederland and are now taking on EC.  The saga continues.
[/quote]
Nah, just giving them a break...I'll be back to burst their preverbial bubbles some more in a few..... 8)...I actually LIKE the EC faithful...They have realistic expectations of their team, and have had a decent amount of success in doing so.... ::)....but what do I know..... ::)
[/quote]

Why burst the proverbial (note the correct spelling) the bubbles of anyone?  Isn't everyone entitled to their own hopes/dreams/beliefs?
[/quote]
Thanks for the typo correction by the way, it proves my imperfection just a bit more...Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions, except for me apparently when I speak about a certain school off of Spurlock Rd. and Hwy 69 in the Golden Triangle...Why is it any different?
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176931" timestamp="1329142335"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]Good point! EC :P
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176944" timestamp="1329143671"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95855.msg1176941#msg1176941 date=1329143424]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176936#msg1176936 date=1329142751]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95855.msg1176934#msg1176934 date=1329142575]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176931#msg1176931 date=1329142335]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]

Dick- Looks like you are moving away from Nederland and are now taking on EC.  The saga continues.
[/quote]
Nah, just giving them a break...I'll be back to burst their preverbial bubbles some more in a few..... 8)...I actually LIKE the EC faithful...They have realistic expectations of their team, and have had a decent amount of success in doing so.... ::)....but what do I know..... ::)
[/quote]

Why burst the proverbial (note the correct spelling) the bubbles of anyone?  Isn't everyone entitled to their own hopes/dreams/beliefs?
[/quote]
Thanks for the typo correction by the way, it proves my imperfection just a bit more...Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions, except for me apparently when I speak about a certain school off of Spurlock Rd. and Hwy 69 in the Golden Triangle...Why is it any different?
[/quote]

I will not answer that question for two reasons.  1.  I already have  2.  You know the answer
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1176946" timestamp="1329143705"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176931#msg1176931 date=1329142335]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]Good point! EC :P
[/quote]We don't recruit players over here at E.C.  Has Ozen been to state since Boutte left?  No.... Did he recruit players from all over Beaumont?  Yes...... Thats a fact.  Some of them work with me and tell stories of how he went to Jr. High Schools and had try outs.....  We will just stick to winning with the kids who are supposed to go to school at E.C. 
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[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176946#msg1176946 date=1329143705]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176931#msg1176931 date=1329142335]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]Good point! EC :P
[/quote]We don't recruit players over here at E.C.  Has Ozen been to state since Boutte left?  No.... Did he recruit players from all over Beaumont?  Yes...... Thats a fact.  Some of them work with me and tell stories of how he went to Jr. High Schools and had try outs.....  We will just stick to winning with the kids who are supposed to go to school at E.C. 
[/quote]

Exposing Lie #1: Ever hear of a kid FROM ANAHUAC named DONTE RAYMOND?

Exposing Lie #2: No one from Ozen, has EVER had to recruit ANY kid to come to Ozen.  Boutte and I would attend our feeder pattern games for two reasons...1) so the kids would know who we were, which was what we were SUPPOSED to do, and 2) his sons and my nephews PLAYED for those jr. high schools, which was also what we were SUPPOSED to do...

Know the difference between FACTS and LIES....enjoy your day... 8)
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1177580" timestamp="1329230005"]
[quote author=finger roll link=topic=95855.msg1177577#msg1177577 date=1329229555]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176946#msg1176946 date=1329143705]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95855.msg1176931#msg1176931 date=1329142335]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]Good point! EC :P
[/quote]We don't recruit players over here at E.C.  Has Ozen been to state since Boutte left?  No.... Did he recruit players from all over Beaumont?  Yes...... Thats a fact.  Some of them work with me and tell stories of how he went to Jr. High Schools and had try outs.....  We will just stick to winning with the kids who are supposed to go to school at E.C. 
[/quote]

Exposing Lie #1: Ever hear of a kid FROM ANAHUAC named DONTE RAYMOND?

Exposing Lie #2: No one from Ozen, has EVER had to recruit ANY kid to come to Ozen.  Boutte and I would attend our feeder pattern games for two reasons...1) so the kids would know who we were, which was what we were SUPPOSED to do, and 2) his sons and my nephews PLAYED for those jr. high schools, which was also what we were SUPPOSED to do...

Know the difference between FACTS and LIES....enjoy your day... 8)
[/quote]Yes I have heard of Donte Raymond.  He wasn't recruited to EC.  Isn't the idea of recruiting players to your school to bring in all state type tallent?  examples:  Yates with Coach Wise and Ozen with Boutte....  I never said anything about attending feeder games.  I don't know anything about that.  I do know for a FACT that some of my co-workers played B-Ball in Beaumont and were supposed to go to West Brook.  Boutte had a try out and selected several of those guys to go to Ozen.  My co-workers were picked and did go to Ozen.  That is a fact.  I just felt like throwing a jab at you since you like to talk smack on this site and decided to talk about EC.  We run a clean program over here at EC.  We do not have to deal with kicking kids off of the team for drug abuse, wiping pepper spray out of their eyes for fighting, or worry about them slinging crap all over the oppents locker room after a victory.  Go back to hating on that midcounty school that you seem very jealous of and leave little ole EC alone.  We are doing just fine.  That is all.
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[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176928#msg1176928 date=1329141463]
[quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=95855.msg1176922#msg1176922 date=1329140794]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176644#msg1176644 date=1329082774]
[quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=95855.msg1176638#msg1176638 date=1329082224]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95855.msg1176627#msg1176627 date=1329080849]
At least EC will go to playoffs for the next few years. Relax ;)
[/quote]

EC goes to the playoffs each year, every year, for the last 20 or so. The district is irrelevant, as for as making playoffs is concerned. Actually, Region 4 is the easiest to get to Austin out of, IMO.   
[/quote]Basketball State titles last 20 years?
[/quote] 2 more than H-F !!!!!!!
[/quote]*ouch* Now thats a low blow!
[/quote]
Hey, Dove I think you are forgetting...Your boys are at Ozen now..I think they've been to Austin a time or four, right?  8)...See if the EC crew wants to compare that!! :D
[/quote]Well now we know what Ozen has done.....kudos to them, too. Just making it to the Final Four in Austin is a fantastic accomplishment. But where have you been, DV, besides in front of a laptop armchair quarterbacking this basketball thread.
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