Little League Allstars

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FPHS, I'd love to know what talent was left of the WELL All Star team last year.  That core group of boys won district as 10's, 11's and 12's.  As 10's they went to state and as 12's they went to the sectional championship and lost to the Bridge City team that won state and was one game from the little league world series.  There wasn't anyone left off that team that would have changed the end result.
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proves my point...same 18 kids 10/11/12.......
anyway, that was an very good group of ball players..what, there was 18-19 all-stars and alternates...10-12 of em legit all stars, altho, if you have a broken arm for most of the year, you shouldnt automatically be an all star-great kid tho-..a couple of the alternates played far better during the year than some of the starters and the usual 5 that shouldnt have been selected at all..sorry cant give kids names here...want initials?  did not have allstar years---b.c.,d.d.,q.m., both j.t,w.l....j.d. was hurt most the year...a.h. shoulda been a starter...
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Rules say you have to play 60% of the season to be eligible for all-stars but no one checks that... kids out w/broken hands, fingers, toes etc cuz get hurt in select tourneys & can't participate in league yet can make all-stars... some of same kids/others do not practice for all-stars yet start/play every game... when I grew up No Practice - No Play (except mandatory time)...
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Wow!  Sounds like you and FPHS should get on the board and straighten this mess out.
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As long as you're dealing with "League Allstars" it never will be fair to all. You have to just face the facts and deal with it. Anytime you have a coach who is "biased" towards certain players (good or average players), certain good kids will be left out or will make the team and be tossed aside just to get minimum playing time. This is exactly why I decided last year to dig deep into my pockets and find a select team for my kid and not deal with the league politics. I have found a local select team which has a hired coach and very little "Daddy Ball" influence. As long as you are dealing with young kids, you never will entirely get rid of the "Daddy Ball" but you can greatly minimize it. Find a select team who only accepts kids after a tryout and has no more than 10-12 players on the team. If your kid is good enough to make the team, he will get plenty of playing time. I know it is expensive and not everyone can afford it, but it is the only way to get away from the league "screwball" politics. Yes, run for office and see if you can make a difference. Maybe you can and the world will be a much better place for everyone. Well, accept for the kids who never should have been on the Allstar team in the first place.
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True...True... But life isn't fair...

First thing is to get the board to change the bylaws requiring 13 players... actually the 13 players really wouldn't be a bad thing if the coaches knew the rules regarding playing time for starters/substitutes... if they knew that they wouldn't have put starters back into a game in which they are winning by more than 15 runs... Don't get me wrong my kid has started & sat the bench both... I'm all for that cuz as far as I am concerned they are a team & u win as a team & lose as a team ... But when you have players that think they are better than everyone & parents that think their kids are better than everyone it just doesn't work & kids get hurt.. You don't dog your team mates or your child's teammates when they make an error or strike out cuz it is going to happen after all they are only 9 (Heck I'm 45 & still make mistakes) but you pick 'em up not shut 'em down... play select ball too but I think little league is also important
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AllSportsMom-Please change your ID to MomWithBlindersWhoHasNoClue!!  bmtcpa87, whomever that is, seems to have all of the insider facts regarding the 2009 12's from WELL. Neither of you, ALLSportsMom or FPHS, could name a player that would have helped that team with the versatility necessary to be on that team. Yes, several kids had great years and didn't make the team.  You can only have so many catchers or first basemen.  At some point, you have to field an ENTIRE team and most All Star players are all infielders.  THAT's why the kids you guys refer to with initials were not selected!

Shame on you and FPHS for not seeing the real truth.  The coaches' kids get to practice first, leave last and typically get a raw deal from their dads who ride their butts to work harder than the rest of the team.  The Select kids practice more, play more and really work on their game and you expect the other kids to keep pace. Right!

I challenge you, don't get on the Board, but COACH a team. Make batting orders.  Set positions. Spend countless hours making decisions that best place your team in a position to be competitive. Oh, set playing times for 12 or 13 kids and let's see what you consider FAIR!  Let's not forget, learn the rules. Not the BS rules you seem to quote but the actual LL rules coaches must abide by during every game.

When you do this, start your posts again and let's really see what you think about "daddy ball" and "coaches" kids. Until then, stay on the sidelines where you feel most comfortable lobbing your grenades at those who actually work WITH the kids and not just yours!

[westend1]

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FPHS, I'd love to know what talent was left of the WELL All Star team last year.  That core group of boys won district as 10's, 11's and 12's.  As 10's they went to state and as 12's they went to the sectional championship and lost to the Bridge City team that won state and was one game from the little league world series.  There wasn't anyone left off that team that would have changed the end result.
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proves my point...same 18 kids 10/11/12.......
anyway, that was an very good group of ball players..what, there was 18-19 all-stars and alternates...10-12 of em legit all stars, altho, if you have a broken arm for most of the year, you shouldnt automatically be an all star-great kid tho-..a couple of the alternates played far better during the year than some of the starters and the usual 5 that shouldnt have been selected at all..sorry cant give kids names here...want initials?  did not have allstar years---b.c.,d.d.,q.m., both j.t,w.l....j.d. was hurt most the year...a.h. shoulda been a starter...
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Rules say you have to play 60% of the season to be eligible for all-stars but no one checks that... kids out w/broken hands, fingers, toes etc cuz get hurt in select tourneys & can't participate in league yet can make all-stars... some of same kids/others do not practice for all-stars yet start/play every game... when I grew up No Practice - No Play (except mandatory time)...
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Wow!  Sounds like you and FPHS should get on the board and straighten this mess out.
[/quote]
As long as you're dealing with "League Allstars" it never will be fair to all. You have to just face the facts and deal with it. Anytime you have a coach who is "biased" towards certain players (good or average players), certain good kids will be left out or will make the team and be tossed aside just to get minimum playing time. This is exactly why I decided last year to dig deep into my pockets and find a select team for my kid and not deal with the league politics. I have found a local select team which has a hired coach and very little "Daddy Ball" influence. As long as you are dealing with young kids, you never will entirely get rid of the "Daddy Ball" but you can greatly minimize it. Find a select team who only accepts kids after a tryout and has no more than 10-12 players on the team. If your kid is good enough to make the team, he will get plenty of playing time. I know it is expensive and not everyone can afford it, but it is the only way to get away from the league "screwball" politics. Yes, run for office and see if you can make a difference. Maybe you can and the world will be a much better place for everyone. Well, accept for the kids who never should have been on the Allstar team in the first place.
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True...True... But life isn't fair...

First thing is to get the board to change the bylaws requiring 13 players... actually the 13 players really wouldn't be a bad thing if the coaches knew the rules regarding playing time for starters/substitutes... if they knew that they wouldn't have put starters back into a game in which they are winning by more than 15 runs... Don't get me wrong my kid has started & sat the bench both... I'm all for that cuz as far as I am concerned they are a team & u win as a team & lose as a team ... But when you have players that think they are better than everyone & parents that think their kids are better than everyone it just doesn't work & kids get hurt.. You don't dog your team mates or your child's teammates when they make an error or strike out cuz it is going to happen after all they are only 9 (Heck I'm 45 & still make mistakes) but you pick 'em up not shut 'em down... play select ball too but I think little league is also important
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AllSportsMom-Please change your ID to MomWithBlindersWhoHasNoClue!!  bmtcpa87, whomever that is, seems to have all of the insider facts regarding the 2009 12's from WELL. Neither of you, ALLSportsMom or FPHS, could name a player that would have helped that team with the versatility necessary to be on that team. Yes, several kids had great years and didn't make the team.  You can only have so many catchers or first basemen.  At some point, you have to field an ENTIRE team and most All Star players are all infielders.  THAT's why the kids you guys refer to with initials were not selected!

Shame on you and FPHS for not seeing the real truth.  The coaches' kids get to practice first, leave last and typically get a raw deal from their dads who ride their butts to work harder than the rest of the team.  The Select kids practice more, play more and really work on their game and you expect the other kids to keep pace. Right!

I challenge you, don't get on the Board, but COACH a team. Make batting orders.  Set positions. Spend countless hours making decisions that best place your team in a position to be competitive. Oh, set playing times for 12 or 13 kids and let's see what you consider FAIR!  Let's not forget, learn the rules. Not the BS rules you seem to quote but the actual LL rules coaches must abide by during every game.

When you do this, start your posts again and let's really see what you think about "daddy ball" and "coaches" kids. Until then, stay on the sidelines where you feel most comfortable lobbing your grenades at those who actually work WITH the kids and not just yours!
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Dude

Out of the gate swinging!  I agree with a lot of what you say.  As a former coach/board member, I know how much time and effort goes into it.  It's tough not to become a little upset and defensive when people come on a public forum and question your motives or integrity.  You can have an opinion on whether or not little Johnny is more deserving than the coaches kid without attacking the league.  That starts to sound like sour grapes.

[Guest FPHS 78]

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FPHS, I'd love to know what talent was left of the WELL All Star team last year.  That core group of boys won district as 10's, 11's and 12's.  As 10's they went to state and as 12's they went to the sectional championship and lost to the Bridge City team that won state and was one game from the little league world series.  There wasn't anyone left off that team that would have changed the end result.
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proves my point...same 18 kids 10/11/12.......
anyway, that was an very good group of ball players..what, there was 18-19 all-stars and alternates...10-12 of em legit all stars, altho, if you have a broken arm for most of the year, you shouldnt automatically be an all star-great kid tho-..a couple of the alternates played far better during the year than some of the starters and the usual 5 that shouldnt have been selected at all..sorry cant give kids names here...want initials?  did not have allstar years---b.c.,d.d.,q.m., both j.t,w.l....j.d. was hurt most the year...a.h. shoulda been a starter...
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Rules say you have to play 60% of the season to be eligible for all-stars but no one checks that... kids out w/broken hands, fingers, toes etc cuz get hurt in select tourneys & can't participate in league yet can make all-stars... some of same kids/others do not practice for all-stars yet start/play every game... when I grew up No Practice - No Play (except mandatory time)...
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Wow!  Sounds like you and FPHS should get on the board and straighten this mess out.
[/quote]
As long as you're dealing with "League Allstars" it never will be fair to all. You have to just face the facts and deal with it. Anytime you have a coach who is "biased" towards certain players (good or average players), certain good kids will be left out or will make the team and be tossed aside just to get minimum playing time. This is exactly why I decided last year to dig deep into my pockets and find a select team for my kid and not deal with the league politics. I have found a local select team which has a hired coach and very little "Daddy Ball" influence. As long as you are dealing with young kids, you never will entirely get rid of the "Daddy Ball" but you can greatly minimize it. Find a select team who only accepts kids after a tryout and has no more than 10-12 players on the team. If your kid is good enough to make the team, he will get plenty of playing time. I know it is expensive and not everyone can afford it, but it is the only way to get away from the league "screwball" politics. Yes, run for office and see if you can make a difference. Maybe you can and the world will be a much better place for everyone. Well, accept for the kids who never should have been on the Allstar team in the first place.
[/quote]

True...True... But life isn't fair...

First thing is to get the board to change the bylaws requiring 13 players... actually the 13 players really wouldn't be a bad thing if the coaches knew the rules regarding playing time for starters/substitutes... if they knew that they wouldn't have put starters back into a game in which they are winning by more than 15 runs... Don't get me wrong my kid has started & sat the bench both... I'm all for that cuz as far as I am concerned they are a team & u win as a team & lose as a team ... But when you have players that think they are better than everyone & parents that think their kids are better than everyone it just doesn't work & kids get hurt.. You don't dog your team mates or your child's teammates when they make an error or strike out cuz it is going to happen after all they are only 9 (Heck I'm 45 & still make mistakes) but you pick 'em up not shut 'em down... play select ball too but I think little league is also important
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AllSportsMom-Please change your ID to MomWithBlindersWhoHasNoClue!!  bmtcpa87, whomever that is, seems to have all of the insider facts regarding the 2009 12's from WELL. Neither of you, ALLSportsMom or FPHS, could name a player that would have helped that team with the versatility necessary to be on that team. Yes, several kids had great years and didn't make the team.  You can only have so many catchers or first basemen.  At some point, you have to field an ENTIRE team and most All Star players are all infielders.  THAT's why the kids you guys refer to with initials were not selected!

Shame on you and FPHS for not seeing the real truth.  The coaches' kids get to practice first, leave last and typically get a raw deal from their dads who ride their butts to work harder than the rest of the team.  The Select kids practice more, play more and really work on their game and you expect the other kids to keep pace. Right!

I challenge you, don't get on the Board, but COACH a team. Make batting orders.  Set positions. Spend countless hours making decisions that best place your team in a position to be competitive. Oh, set playing times for 12 or 13 kids and let's see what you consider FAIR!  Let's not forget, learn the rules. Not the BS rules you seem to quote but the actual LL rules coaches must abide by during every game.

When you do this, start your posts again and let's really see what you think about "daddy ball" and "coaches" kids. Until then, stay on the sidelines where you feel most comfortable lobbing your grenades at those who actually work WITH the kids and not just yours!
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what, now its time to get UGLY?  ok, I can do that. Junior, I was coaching at EO when you were still in diapers.  The real truth?  You just get upset when you hear it.  LL rules?  Thats the last thing WEST END follows...with what, 200+ kids playing out of boundaries...for every amelia/ne/spndl kid thast takes a swing at WE, thats a swing taken from a WE kid.

The question was..how are AS teams selected.---i said and will still say--coaches kid's and select kids first...but now you say a coaches kid deserves to make it talent or not, cuz his dad's a jerk?...you must be a WE coach, no doubt

[spoonbill]

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West End goes by age group.   There are always a couple of 11's who could help the team, but they play with their age group.
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W.E.L.L. had three 11 yr olds on last years all star team.  W.E.L.L. All star team is determined before the season starts....take the "select" kids and the coaches kids...[u]EVERY[/u] select kid-deserving or not- [u]AND EVERY[/u] coaches kid makes it.....STATS mean squat......sad but true ???  may be why they don't advance very far, alot of talent left off...same kids, year after year
if i knew the players I could tell you right now who will be on west end's "all star" team this year


[/quote]sounds like your kid or grandkid didn't make it. west end always fields a competitive team from what i've seen.
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nope, just a [b]fan[/b]...
[/quote]which is short for fanatic...yes sir you are...you may want to up your meds...ok...bring it. :o

[westend1]

what, now its time to get UGLY?  ok, I can do that. Junior, I was coaching at EO when you were still in diapers.  The real truth?  You just get upset when you hear it.  LL rules?  Thats the last thing WEST END follows...with what, [b]200+ kids playing out of boundaries..[/b].for every amelia/ne/spndl kid thast takes a swing at WE, thats a swing taken from a WE kid.

The question was..how are AS teams selected.---i said and will still say--coaches kid's and select kids first...but now [b]you say a coaches kid deserves to make it talent or not[/b], cuz his dad's a jerk?...you must be a WE coach, no doubt

200 kids.  We only have around 460.       And I don't see where Dude said a kid should make it talent or not.  I think he said, as a general rule, the coaches kids and select players work at it harder.   Is that really a hard concept to grasp?   It seems to make sense that the Dad's who are real interested have usually spent more time practicing with their kids(not always)

And go check it out.  Not all coaches kids made allstars.    Your certainly bitter for just a fan.  I suspect it's something more.,

[bmtcpa87]

FPHS - You do realize that the kid that you said should have been on the 12 man roster, his dad was a coach in the league.  The kid that got the last spot on the team is being raised by a single mom and he was not on our "select" team.  As a "fan" I'm sure you new that.  Kinda shots down you arguement.

As for your last post, I'm not going to respond because I don't know what your talking about. 

[thetragichippy]

Some of you should look at the mood of "westend1's" post.  He makes his points without insults.  There is a way to communicate without attacking.......... ;)

[Guest FPHS 78]

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FPHS - You do realize that the kid that you said should have been on the 12 man roster, his dad was a coach in the league.  The kid that got the last spot on the team is being raised by a single mom and he was not on our "select" team.  As a "fan" I'm sure you new that.  Kinda shots down you arguement.

As for your last post, I'm not going to respond because I don't know what your talking about. 
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if i remeber correctly, i think jm and ah were on the same team----------- please, name me one coach (or asst coach for that matter), whose child didnt make all-stars?  and yes, alternates are all-stars


and you dont know what I'm talking about? what, west end not following rules?  heck, y'alls president doesnt even live in the boundaries!  "Line up kids, say the LL pledge, then lie about where you live"---whats that teaching these children?

[spoonbill]

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FPHS - You do realize that the kid that you said should have been on the 12 man roster, his dad was a coach in the league.  The kid that got the last spot on the team is being raised by a single mom and he was not on our "select" team.  As a "fan" I'm sure you new that.  Kinda shots down you arguement.

As for your last post, I'm not going to respond because I don't know what your talking about. 
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if i remeber correctly, i think jm and ah were on the same team----------- please, name me one coach (or asst coach for that matter), whose child didnt make all-stars?  and yes, alternates are all-stars


and you dont know what I'm talking about? what, west end not following rules?  heck, y'alls president doesnt even live in the boundaries!  "Line up kids, say the LL pledge, then lie about where you live"---whats that teaching these children?
[/quote]i probably shouldn't respond, but i will. alternates are NOT all-stars. players can't play in a game unless they are on the affidavit and are ok'd by the district. having alternates is just a way to ease the pain of not making the team and in case of injuries prior to the tournament. the little league i'm affiliated dropped the alternate business a couple of yrs ago, because of kids not understanding that they AREN'T going to get to play and getting upset. you don't have to have alternates to pick up a kid for an injury prior to the tournament. they just have to be added to the affidavit and be approved. and before you ask, no...i will not tell you which league i'm affiliated with because you seem to have the makeup of a possible stalker.

[westend1]

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[quote author=bmtcpa87 link=topic=70252.msg811606#msg811606 date=1276281602]
FPHS - You do realize that the kid that you said should have been on the 12 man roster, his dad was a coach in the league.  The kid that got the last spot on the team is being raised by a single mom and he was not on our "select" team.  As a "fan" I'm sure you new that.  Kinda shots down you arguement.

As for your last post, I'm not going to respond because I don't know what your talking about. 
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if i remeber correctly, i think jm and ah were on the same team----------- please, name me one coach (or asst coach for that matter), whose child didnt make all-stars?  and yes, alternates are all-stars


and you dont know what I'm talking about? what, west end not following rules?  heck, y'alls president doesnt even live in the boundaries!  "Line up kids, say the LL pledge, then lie about where you live"---whats that teaching these children?

[/quote]  I have been involved in West End, in one capacity or another, for over 10 years, and have never told, or heard anybody else tell, a kid to lie about their residency.  In fact, we always encourage kids that live outside our boundaries to go play with their proper league.  However, what would you do when a kid comes in and says "I tried the other league and didn't like it. All my friends play here.  If I can't play here, I'm just going to quit baseball"?  

We don't have nearly as many of those kids as you seem to believe, but we always tell the ones we have that they would be inelgible for allstars and city play. Nobody is told to lie.  The truly good players generally opt out at that point, leaving us with kids who just want to play with their buddies.    Since you seem so concerned about the kids, I'm sure you can appreciate the position this puts us in.   I'm sorry that we don't live up to your ethical standards, but in the end,  most of us still do it for the kids.

[bballdude]

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[quote author=bmtcpa87 link=topic=70252.msg811606#msg811606 date=1276281602]
FPHS - You do realize that the kid that you said should have been on the 12 man roster, his dad was a coach in the league.  The kid that got the last spot on the team is being raised by a single mom and he was not on our "select" team.  As a "fan" I'm sure you new that.  Kinda shots down you arguement.

As for your last post, I'm not going to respond because I don't know what your talking about. 
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if i remeber correctly, i think jm and ah were on the same team----------- please, name me one coach (or asst coach for that matter), whose child didnt make all-stars?  and yes, alternates are all-stars


and you dont know what I'm talking about? what, west end not following rules?  heck, y'alls president doesnt even live in the boundaries!  "Line up kids, say the LL pledge, then lie about where you live"---whats that teaching these children?
[/quote]

Let's see, I guess I should respond since I raised everyone's hair:

FPHS 78-if that's your grad year, we were in diapers at just about the same time but nice try with your Jr. reference...You only have me a a couple of years.

No doubt, WELL has its shortcomings along with every volunteer youth organization in the world. They work tirelessly to provide the best experience possible and the 'ol 80-20 rule is alive and well here too where 80% of the work is done by 20% of the members. It's when someone with no knowledge of the system or never lifts a hand attempts to drag the program (The kids) down that I get worked up.  You have made a feable attempt to bring down the 12 All Star kids and their coaches in order to further your personal agenda and yes, I will defend those kids to the max b/c they don't deserve it.

It's only after learning some truths about that team (that you were obviously unaware of like 200+ kids OOB; get real!) that you begin to rip up the [b]entire[/b] WELL program.  At some level, it points to your personal axe to grind and less about the process of selecting the team which is where this began.  I submit, politics rears its ugly head in the process at WELL just as in every organization, be it work, church, whatever, but WELL has a system and we do the best to use it to select the best Teams we can.

As evidenced by West End's success in All Stars, most of the time, we get it right.  That doesn't mean every deserving kid is selected every year.  That can't happen but this group from 2009 has had too much success over their 4 years for anyone to debate IF the right kids were on the team.  District Champs 3 years in a row; Sectional Champs one of those years has got to tell you something about the KIDS and maybe the process!

I wish you all of the success in the world with the program you support but as for your anger toward West End, Let it go!

[AllSportsMom]

[quote name="bballdude" post="811537" timestamp="1276268836"]

AllSportsMom-Please change your ID to MomWithBlindersWhoHasNoClue!!  bmtcpa87, whomever that is, seems to have all of the insider facts regarding the 2009 12's from WELL. Neither of you, ALLSportsMom or FPHS, could name a player that would have helped that team with the versatility necessary to be on that team. Yes, several kids had great years and didn't make the team.  You can only have so many catchers or first basemen.  At some point, you have to field an ENTIRE team and most All Star players are all infielders.  THAT's why the kids you guys refer to with initials were not selected!

Shame on you and FPHS for not seeing the real truth.  The coaches' kids get to practice first, leave last and typically get a raw deal from their dads who ride their butts to work harder than the rest of the team.  The Select kids practice more, play more and really work on their game and you expect the other kids to keep pace. Right!

I challenge you, don't get on the Board, but COACH a team. Make batting orders.  Set positions. Spend countless hours making decisions that best place your team in a position to be competitive. Oh, set playing times for 12 or 13 kids and let's see what you consider FAIR!  Let's not forget, learn the rules. Not the BS rules you seem to quote but the actual LL rules coaches must abide by during every game.

When you do this, start your posts again and let's really see what you think about "daddy ball" and "coaches" kids. Until then, stay on the sidelines where you feel most comfortable lobbing your grenades at those who actually work WITH the kids and not just yours!
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bballdude:  No ID change required...Yes I am a Mom but I'm not one with blinders (I see things very clearly) on & without a clue. The only thing I may not have a clue about is the same as you cuz I don't know who all these initials are either. But never claimed to. Know very few of these older kids & am referring to current season only NOT the PAST... I know rules for league & rules for all-star tournaments & they are NOT ALL the same.  I never claimed to know any kids that didn't make it that should on the 2009 team or 2010 team either for that matter...

Never said a word about "daddy ball" or "coaches" kids... Any child regardless of who their parents are should be treated equal... If my kids were disrespectful to their teammates, had poor sportsmanship, refused to listen to the coaches, didn't go to practice, didn't put forth any effort  etc... Coaches kid or not - I'd be the first to say he should sit the bench regardless of his playing ability...

I didn't lob any grenades from the sidelines nor did I quote any BS rules... so not really sure what ur referring to there...

Never dogged WELL... Participated in many organizations over the years including positions on some boards & yes have done line-ups, positions, & all that as well... I don't just rely on my sons coaches to work with him regardless of the sport he is participating cuz that has to happen at home too...

[bballdude]

[quote name="AllSportsMom" post="811806" timestamp="1276315313"]
[quote author=bballdude link=topic=70252.msg811537#msg811537 date=1276268836]

AllSportsMom-Please change your ID to MomWithBlindersWhoHasNoClue!!  bmtcpa87, whomever that is, seems to have all of the insider facts regarding the 2009 12's from WELL. Neither of you, ALLSportsMom or FPHS, could name a player that would have helped that team with the versatility necessary to be on that team. Yes, several kids had great years and didn't make the team.  You can only have so many catchers or first basemen.  At some point, you have to field an ENTIRE team and most All Star players are all infielders.  THAT's why the kids you guys refer to with initials were not selected!

Shame on you and FPHS for not seeing the real truth.  The coaches' kids get to practice first, leave last and typically get a raw deal from their dads who ride their butts to work harder than the rest of the team.  The Select kids practice more, play more and really work on their game and you expect the other kids to keep pace. Right!

I challenge you, don't get on the Board, but COACH a team. Make batting orders.  Set positions. Spend countless hours making decisions that best place your team in a position to be competitive. Oh, set playing times for 12 or 13 kids and let's see what you consider FAIR!  Let's not forget, learn the rules. Not the BS rules you seem to quote but the actual LL rules coaches must abide by during every game.

When you do this, start your posts again and let's really see what you think about "daddy ball" and "coaches" kids. Until then, stay on the sidelines where you feel most comfortable lobbing your grenades at those who actually work WITH the kids and not just yours!
[/quote]

bballdude:  No ID change required...Yes I am a Mom but I'm not one with blinders (I see things very clearly) on & without a clue. The only thing I may not have a clue about is the same as you cuz I don't know who all these initials are either. But never claimed to. Know very few of these older kids & am referring to current season only NOT the PAST... I know rules for league & rules for all-star tournaments & they are NOT ALL the same.  I never claimed to know any kids that didn't make it that should on the 2009 team or 2010 team either for that matter...

Never said a word about "daddy ball" or "coaches" kids... Any child regardless of who their parents are should be treated equal... If my kids were disrespectful to their teammates, had poor sportsmanship, refused to listen to the coaches, didn't go to practice, didn't put forth any effort  etc... Coaches kid or not - I'd be the first to say he should sit the bench regardless of his playing ability...

I didn't lob any grenades from the sidelines nor did I quote any BS rules... so not really sure what ur referring to there...

Never dogged WELL... Participated in many organizations over the years including positions on some boards & yes have done line-ups, positions, & all that as well... I don't just rely on my sons coaches to work with him regardless of the sport he is participating cuz that has to happen at home too...




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AllSportsMom-many of the comments were directed at FPHS 78 after my first remarks to you but you can go back and read your posts about rules you seem to not know.  Yes, WE check the 60% rule. No JD was not hurt playing select. He hurt his hand payling football but was able to play WELL.  Check our By-Laws. WELL teams must carry 13.  I was involved with last year's team and know every "initial" referred to and having others question motives without the facts gets real old like a mom who would complain about when starters re-enter a game (even in a blow-out).

Truly hope the 9's can beat Jasper next week!!

[AllSportsMom]

[quote name="bballdude" post="812093" timestamp="1276405306"]
[quote author=AllSportsMom link=topic=70252.msg811806#msg811806 date=1276315313]
[quote author=bballdude link=topic=70252.msg811537#msg811537 date=1276268836]

AllSportsMom-Please change your ID to MomWithBlindersWhoHasNoClue!!  bmtcpa87, whomever that is, seems to have all of the insider facts regarding the 2009 12's from WELL. Neither of you, ALLSportsMom or FPHS, could name a player that would have helped that team with the versatility necessary to be on that team. Yes, several kids had great years and didn't make the team.  You can only have so many catchers or first basemen.  At some point, you have to field an ENTIRE team and most All Star players are all infielders.  THAT's why the kids you guys refer to with initials were not selected!

Shame on you and FPHS for not seeing the real truth.  The coaches' kids get to practice first, leave last and typically get a raw deal from their dads who ride their butts to work harder than the rest of the team.  The Select kids practice more, play more and really work on their game and you expect the other kids to keep pace. Right!

I challenge you, don't get on the Board, but COACH a team. Make batting orders.  Set positions. Spend countless hours making decisions that best place your team in a position to be competitive. Oh, set playing times for 12 or 13 kids and let's see what you consider FAIR!  Let's not forget, learn the rules. Not the BS rules you seem to quote but the actual LL rules coaches must abide by during every game.

When you do this, start your posts again and let's really see what you think about "daddy ball" and "coaches" kids. Until then, stay on the sidelines where you feel most comfortable lobbing your grenades at those who actually work WITH the kids and not just yours!
[/quote]

bballdude:  No ID change required...Yes I am a Mom but I'm not one with blinders (I see things very clearly) on & without a clue. The only thing I may not have a clue about is the same as you cuz I don't know who all these initials are either. But never claimed to. Know very few of these older kids & am referring to current season only NOT the PAST... I know rules for league & rules for all-star tournaments & they are NOT ALL the same.  I never claimed to know any kids that didn't make it that should on the 2009 team or 2010 team either for that matter...

Never said a word about "daddy ball" or "coaches" kids... Any child regardless of who their parents are should be treated equal... If my kids were disrespectful to their teammates, had poor sportsmanship, refused to listen to the coaches, didn't go to practice, didn't put forth any effort  etc... Coaches kid or not - I'd be the first to say he should sit the bench regardless of his playing ability...

I didn't lob any grenades from the sidelines nor did I quote any BS rules... so not really sure what ur referring to there...

Never dogged WELL... Participated in many organizations over the years including positions on some boards & yes have done line-ups, positions, & all that as well... I don't just rely on my sons coaches to work with him regardless of the sport he is participating cuz that has to happen at home too...




[/quote]

AllSportsMom-many of the comments were directed at FPHS 78 after my first remarks to you but you can go back and read your posts about rules you seem to not know.  Yes, WE check the 60% rule. No JD was not hurt playing select. He hurt his hand payling football but was able to play WELL.  Check our By-Laws. WELL teams must carry 13.   I was involved with last year's team and know every "initial" referred to and having others question motives without the facts gets real old like a mom who would complain about when starters re-enter a game (even in a blow-out).

Truly hope the 9's can beat Jasper next week!!
[/quote]

after your 1st remarks..."Neither of you, ALLSportsMom or FPHS, could name a player that would have helped that team with the versatility necessary to be on that team"..."Shame on you and FPHS for not seeing the real truth."... & it went on... sure sounded like they were still directed my way...

I have no idea who JD is or who you are talkin about... or any of the initials that ya'll been bouncing around... guess I could go look thru the little league book & probably figure it out but no point since I don't have any reason to know..

Yes WELL team must carry 13 as of Jan 2010... I wasn't questioning any motives without facts... like I said my son has started & he has subbed and I don't have a problem with that but IMO it is not very sportsmanlike to put starters back in to bat & play in the remainder of the game after a blow out in 1st inning & you have to play 4 innings... it was just my opinion... The coaches have their reasons for everything they do but it doesn't mean it was the best decision or all have to agree.. but when coaches are telling the kids to get out & hold up but instead they're hitting dbls, stealin' etc & not listening it just doesn't look right especially in a blow out...

I truly hope they can beat Jasper too... Should've the first game... Have the talent to beat them just hope we learned our lessons after the first game...

[puddin tane]

[quote name="FPHS 78" post="810066" timestamp="1275962199"]
[quote author=westend1 link=topic=70252.msg808676#msg808676 date=1275574795]
West End goes by age group.   There are always a couple of 11's who could help the team, but they play with their age group.
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W.E.L.L. had three 11 yr olds on last years all star team.  W.E.L.L. All star team is determined before the season starts....take the "select" kids and the coaches kids...[u]EVERY[/u] select kid-deserving or not- [u]AND EVERY[/u] coaches kid makes it.....STATS mean squat......sad but true ???  may be why they don't advance very far, alot of talent left off...same kids, year after year
if i knew the players I could tell you right now who will be on west end's "all star" team this year


[/quote]

fphs caught alot off c-r-a-p here........both sides have good points...BUT, West End's All Star team, is the select team Storm .  Not saying its right ,wrong, pre-determined...just pointing it out

[AllSportsMom]

[quote name="puddin tane" post="814791" timestamp="1277608775"]
[quote author=FPHS 78 link=topic=70252.msg810066#msg810066 date=1275962199]
[quote author=westend1 link=topic=70252.msg808676#msg808676 date=1275574795]
West End goes by age group.   There are always a couple of 11's who could help the team, but they play with their age group.
[/quote]

W.E.L.L. had three 11 yr olds on last years all star team.  W.E.L.L. All star team is determined before the season starts....take the "select" kids and the coaches kids...[u]EVERY[/u] select kid-deserving or not- [u]AND EVERY[/u] coaches kid makes it.....STATS mean squat......sad but true ???  may be why they don't advance very far, alot of talent left off...same kids, year after year
if i knew the players I could tell you right now who will be on west end's "all star" team this year


[/quote]

fphs caught alot off c-r-a-p here........both sides have good points...BUT, West End's All Star team, is the select team Storm .  Not saying its right ,wrong, pre-determined...just pointing it out


[/quote]

12U Elite team + 2 & 2 are "11"

[meat]

This thread is a joke...

What on earth would possess you to put 11-12 yr old kids initials on a thread?

[bmtball]

[quote name="FPHS 78" post="811632" timestamp="1276284580"]
[quote author=bmtcpa87 link=topic=70252.msg811606#msg811606 date=1276281602]
FPHS - You do realize that the kid that you said should have been on the 12 man roster, his dad was a coach in the league.  The kid that got the last spot on the team is being raised by a single mom and he was not on our "select" team.  As a "fan" I'm sure you new that.  Kinda shots down you arguement.

As for your last post, I'm not going to respond because I don't know what your talking about. 
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if i remeber correctly, i think jm and ah were on the same team----------- please, name me one coach (or asst coach for that matter), whose child didnt make all-stars?  and yes, alternates are all-stars

and you dont know what I'm talking about? what, west end not following rules?  heck, y'alls president doesnt even live in the boundaries!  "Line up kids, say the LL pledge, then lie about where you live"---whats that teaching these children?
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FPHS, in response to your question...Matt Morrow was a coach whose kid did not make all-stars.  Shoots down your theory and highlights your sour grapes mentality.  He put in countless hours for other kids, so they could become better players and better kids.  His kid did NOT make all-stars, not even alternates.

I was president of WELL from 2004-2006.  I know exactly what West End 1 is talking about.  We would have kids petition to come play in our league because their league was so poor.  We DID have kids who said, if I can't play here, I won't play, because their league was no fun.  Parents ruined their league, as they so often do, in Little League.  My son played little league from age 6-14.  We played all-stars at every level.  I have coached little league teams at West End and Amelia/West End.  I have coached all-star teams that have gone all the way to state.  Let me give you a little insight of what happens in the coaches meeting during all-star selection.

Coaches put up players on their team they feel are worthy of all-star status.  Either they had a good season or have a past of being good ball players.  The all-star coach listens to arguments from all coaches as to why a particular player should or should not be an all-star.  The various feed back is weighed by all coaches, then they vote on who should make the team.  There is no smoke filled, back room deals.  The players that make it are generally your best "athletes" who can play multiple positions.  As a coach, if you are in an all-star game, with substitution rules as they are, you want a player who can play many positions.  It is very possible to get in a jam, where your pitcher, who plays left field, needs to come in and pitch.  If you don't have an adequate player to fill that spot, while staying within Little League substitution rules, you are doomed.

Stats mean a little, not a lot.  You may have your #7 hitter, who platoons throughout the season, who hits .333. But since he platoons, he may have only 12 at bats for the year.  Perhaps he got walked twice and hit by pitch one.  Now his official at bats drop to 9.  Lets say he gets on base 3 times via hit.  Out of those 3 hits, lets assume two of those hits went off the glove of a fielder.  Was it a hit or an error?  Since you have a parent making that call, lets say they give them a hit, even though it was an error.  Now junior is batting .333, when in fact, had those hits been ruled errors, junior would be batting.000.  My point is, stats in little league mean nothing.  Many times it is a judgement call by coaches as to who is the better athlete and who can handle more advanced pitching and hitting.  Which is why select players have an edge.  They are used to advanced pitching and hitting, as they have seen it before.

3 years ago, a group from Lake Charles went on to the Little League World Series.  Guess what?  They all played select ball.  Check out other teams in the upcoming world series.  Go to Nations or USSSA and look up the names.  I'll bet you see a majority of those players on a select roster.  These are the rules of today, live by them or die by them.  But to cast aspersions of players making the team because of their dads coaching is not fair.  When I coached Little League, we had a number of players who did not make it, even coaches kids.  Sour grapes, no matter how you package it, is still sour grapes.

Finally, as for WEST END's president being outside the boundaries, is that bad?  When I relinquished my presidency at West End 4 years ago, it was hard to find a replacement.  People would rather sit in the stands and complain about how bad things are, rather than roll their sleeves up and make a difference.  I applaud Scott for stepping up and taking the reigns.  He has done an incredible job for all the boys and girls, not just the ones that live "outside the boundaries".

[the sports guy]

[quote name="meat" post="815223" timestamp="1277831772"]
This thread is a joke...

What on earth would possess you to put 11-12 yr old kids initials on a thread?
[/quote]
Weak minded individuals tend to do things like that.

[Guest Yo Gabba]

All Star selection will NEVER be flawless. Being involved in MANY All Star meetings, and selections let me clarify some things.  1) Yes! Coachs' sons will get preference, why? because daddy is out there working while you drop your kid off and head off to the mall until it is 30 minutes PAST the time you where supposed to be there to pick him/her up. 2) Yes! the men and women out there who bust their butts to keep the little league going doing things such as working on the fields, running the concession stands, managing the budget, yadda yadda yadda their kids will get preference as it should be. 3) NO! Even the special preference these parent get will alway get their child on the All Star team. 4)Yes! The All Star coach cares about the kids, I have done it, and let me tell you it hurts to have to bench or sub a kid that you know is a competitor and wants to be on the field. But ONLY 9 can be on the field at the same time. 5) Give it a try. Try running an All Star team and have to deal with people who you consider your friends sit in the stands during a practice and cut you to shreds because THEY could do it better. Or better yet the ones like All Sports Mom and FPHS who go in a public forum and whine and complain because they or their child gets treated unfairly.......Spend more time coaching and less time complaining....just my 2cents

[AllSportsMom]

[quote name="Yo Gabba" post="816558" timestamp="1278513753"]
All Star selection will NEVER be flawless. Being involved in MANY All Star meetings, and selections let me clarify some things.  1) Yes! Coachs' sons will get preference, why? because daddy is out there working while you drop your kid off and head off to the mall until it is 30 minutes PAST the time you where supposed to be there to pick him/her up. 2) Yes! the men and women out there who bust their butts to keep the little league going doing things such as working on the fields, running the concession stands, managing the budget, yadda yadda yadda their kids will get preference as it should be. 3) NO! Even the special preference these parent get will alway get their child on the All Star team. 4)Yes! The All Star coach cares about the kids, I have done it, and let me tell you it hurts to have to bench or sub a kid that you know is a competitor and wants to be on the field. But ONLY 9 can be on the field at the same time. 5) Give it a try. Try running an All Star team and have to deal with people who you consider your friends sit in the stands during a practice and cut you to shreds because THEY could do it better. Or better yet the ones like All Sports Mom and FPHS who go in a public forum and whine and complain because they or their child gets treated unfairly.......Spend more time coaching and less time complaining....just my 2cents
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I never said my child was treated unfairly... I as anyone else is entitled to an opinion & have spent my time coaching, working on the fields, in concession stands & all of the above... just my 2cents

[spoonbill]

[quote name="AllSportsMom" post="816705" timestamp="1278563198"]
[quote author=Yo Gabba link=topic=70252.msg816558#msg816558 date=1278513753]
All Star selection will NEVER be flawless. Being involved in MANY All Star meetings, and selections let me clarify some things.  1) Yes! Coachs' sons will get preference, why? because daddy is out there working while you drop your kid off and head off to the mall until it is 30 minutes PAST the time you where supposed to be there to pick him/her up. 2) Yes! the men and women out there who bust their butts to keep the little league going doing things such as working on the fields, running the concession stands, managing the budget, yadda yadda yadda their kids will get preference as it should be. 3) NO! Even the special preference these parent get will alway get their child on the All Star team. 4)Yes! The All Star coach cares about the kids, I have done it, and let me tell you it hurts to have to bench or sub a kid that you know is a competitor and wants to be on the field. But ONLY 9 can be on the field at the same time. 5) Give it a try. Try running an All Star team and have to deal with people who you consider your friends sit in the stands during a practice and cut you to shreds because THEY could do it better. Or better yet the ones like All Sports Mom and FPHS who go in a public forum and whine and complain because they or their child gets treated unfairly.......Spend more time coaching and less time complaining....just my 2cents
[/quote]

I never said my child was treated unfairly... I as anyone else is entitled to an opinion & have spent my time coaching, working on the fields, in concession stands & all of the above... just my 2cents
[/quote]i'm not sure why you're so surprised by the all-star selection process, when you've obviously been so involved with little league baseball for so many years.