Transfers and high school sports

[oldschool2]

On 8/1/2026 at 9:43 PM, 1970 said:

What local schools have OE now?  

Most schools have open enrollment.. but that only means that they accept out of district transfers as STUDENTS.  Those kids still have to sit a year to be eligible for UIL competition.  Being accepted as a student doesn't change that. 

[CS.]

If you want to play by the rules that teams like SOC and others do, I have no problem with it.  You want your kid to compete with top talent, great.  But that definitely needs to be addressed with a rule that the school must play in a larger classification congruent with schools that have near Unlimited talent with large enrollments.  If you can get recruits in every single year, you are now no different than the largest classification in the State.  That's how a 5A-D2 school has 20+ D1 recruits every single year..... suddenly. in Dallas ISD no less.  And they are not the only one.  Argyle does it.  There are plenty more.  It's not Rocket Surgery.

[89Falcon]

Just now, CS. said:

If you want to play by the rules that teams like SOC and others do, I have no problem with it.  You want your kid to compete with top talent, great.  But that definitely needs to be addressed with a rule that the school must play in a larger classification congruent with schools that have near Unlimited talent with large enrollments.  If you can get recruits in every single year, you are now no different than the largest classification in the State.  That's how a 5A-D2 school has 20+ D1 recruits every single year..... suddenly. in Dallas ISD no less.  And they are not the only one.  Argyle does it.  There are plenty more.  It's not Rocket Surgery.

You cannot "get recruits in every year". They have to sit out a year unless they go through the exact same process that every other district goes through. "Open enrollment" is irrelevant in the UIL process.

[CS.]

Yikes. There is no possible way you believe what you just typed.  Head in the sand.  Keep on keepin on, my guy. 

[89Falcon]

16 minutes ago, CS. said:

Yikes. There is no possible way you believe what you just typed.  Head in the sand.  Keep on keepin on, my guy. 

Admitting a student to the school does not make them eligible for varsity sports. To be eligible they must live in the district and go through the PAPF process. Is that your understanding?

[CS.]

That is the understanding of how it's supposed to work in an honest process.  You're assuming everyone is honest, which in itself is naive. 

They are NOT honest.  They are constantly using loopholes and skirting the rules.  This isn't assumption, it's 100% happening.  It's worse in Dallas than any other Region.  I have known many coaches and players in that entire Region - they know it's happening and they know nothing will be done.  You can continue to assume everyone is honest.  I can tell you that I've seen it happen to schools that didn't deserve it, while other schools benefitted from it. One example is a smaller 5A-D2 school at the time had the horses to make a run but the QB decided to go to a larger school with more notoriety.  That left the smaller school with a QB that didn't quite have the ability to take them where they probably would have gone.  That transfer was not an honest one and neither are the majority.

[89Falcon]

11 minutes ago, CS. said:

That is the understanding of how it's supposed to work in an honest process.  You're assuming everyone is honest, which in itself is naive. 

They are NOT honest.  They are constantly using loopholes and skirting the rules.  This isn't assumption, it's 100% happening.  It's worse in Dallas than any other Region.  I have known many coaches and players in that entire Region - they know it's happening and they know nothing will be done.  You can continue to assume everyone is honest.  I can tell you that I've seen it happen to schools that didn't deserve it, while other schools benefitted from it. One example is a smaller 5A-D2 school at the time had the horses to make a run but the QB decided to go to a larger school with more notoriety.  That left the smaller school with a QB that didn't quite have the ability to take them where they probably would have gone.  That transfer was not an honest one and neither are the majority.

That is the same for all schools regardless. Open enrollment is irrelevant. It does help stock up the lower grades. 

[tvc184]

19 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

That is the same for all schools regardless. Open enrollment is irrelevant. It does help stock up the lower grades. 

I got it. 🤔 

A family can lie if it’s open enrollment or not. 

[aki1994]

On 8/1/2026 at 5:13 PM, 89Falcon said:

Open enrollment schools play within their normal classification. Open enrollment does not impact UIL eligibility. Just because they enroll does not mean they are eligible for varsity sports. If they live outside the district boundaries they are likely to sit out a year. 

You know this does not happen. SOC brings in kids every year from outside the district. I will wait while you name me one that sat a year. 

Isaiah Udom played for Mansfield his sophomore year then started for SOC his junior year. I am sure he moved from an A rated school district to a school with historically poor academics and a 97% poverty level because of something other than football. There are two to three every year. Show me one that sat out.  

[89Falcon]

2 hours ago, aki1994 said:

You know this does not happen. SOC brings in kids every year from outside the district. I will wait while you name me one that sat a year. 

Isaiah Udom played for Mansfield his sophomore year then started for SOC his junior year. I am sure he moved from an A rated school district to a school with historically poor academics and a 97% poverty level because of something other than football. There are two to three every year. Show me one that sat out.  

Every player that transfers goes through the same PAPF process. That is not debatable. 

[Matthew328]

2 hours ago, aki1994 said:

You know this does not happen. SOC brings in kids every year from outside the district. I will wait while you name me one that sat a year. 

Isaiah Udom played for Mansfield his sophomore year then started for SOC his junior year. I am sure he moved from an A rated school district to a school with historically poor academics and a 97% poverty level because of something other than football. There are two to three every year. Show me one that sat out.  

Mansfield could have checked the box on Udom and a hearing could have been scheduled, but they did not check the box for whatever reason...thats the process as it exists today.....

A lot of the kids SOC gets from out of their attendance zone enroll as freshmen..they 365 then they have established residency and are eligible as sophomores

[CS.]

Keep defending it,  Unbelievable. 
People are paying attention now.  People are watching rosters and grade classification.  It's only a matter of time before their scam is up. 

[89Falcon]

30 minutes ago, CS. said:

Keep defending it,  Unbelievable. 
People are paying attention now.  People are watching rosters and grade classification.  It's only a matter of time before their scam is up. 

What scam? Just making allegations does not make it true. Understanding that you want it to be true. Feel free to tell us exactly what rule was broken. 

[WOSdrummer99]

Its my understanding that coaches may not check the box cuz they would expect the same courtesy in return. Imo that is breaking the rules. We could go back to the starting QB transfer from WOS to LCM and then back to WOS for his Sr season. Someone checked the box and he played JV as a JR. Nobody broke the rules in this case. Looking back now it was an honorable decision.

[89Falcon]

11 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Its my understanding that coaches may not check the box cuz they would expect the same courtesy in return. Imo that is breaking the rules. We could go back to the starting QB transfer from WOS to LCM and then back to WOS for his Sr season. Someone checked the box and he played JV as a JR. Nobody broke the rules in this case. Looking back now it was an honorable decision.

If the process has been followed there is nothing "illegal". Coaches can check the box if they want to or not. Even if they do not check the box, the DEC still reviews the transfer and can still not accept the transfer. They can also "accept" the transfer even if the former coach check's the box. Seen both in the last month.  

[CS.]

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

What scam? Just making allegations does not make it true. Understanding that you want it to be true. Feel free to tell us exactly what rule was broken. 

I've raised this issue multiple times because I believe there are documented and firsthand examples that warrant discussion. Dismissing those examples without examining them doesn't address the underlying concern.

One example I personally witnessed was two SOC coaches discussing their quarterback after a state championship loss. One coach remarked, "We ain't winning one with this cat. I hope we get [player] to move in." While a single conversation does not prove systemic wrongdoing, it illustrates the mindset that many believe contributes to the issue.

There is information available for those willing to research it. I don't claim to have every piece of evidence compiled, but it's inaccurate to suggest there is no basis for these concerns. At the same time, it's equally unsupported to categorically state that these situations never occur. Both positions require evidence.

From my own experiences around these programs, I've spoken with coaches who have expressed frustration over the competitive imbalance they believe exists. The concern extends beyond one school and has been raised in discussions involving programs such as Denton Ryan, Argyle, DeSoto, and South Oak Cliff, among others. Their view is that some schools benefit from player movement in ways that place neighboring programs at a competitive disadvantage.

None of my comments are based on rumors or what I wish were true. They are based on firsthand observations, conversations with coaches, and concerns that have been expressed within the Texas high school football community. Those concerns were also reflected in the anonymous coach responses published in the Dave Campbell's Texas Football coaches survey, where coaches openly discussed transfer-related issues and competitive balance.

 

[89Falcon]

25 minutes ago, CS. said:

I've raised this issue multiple times because I believe there are documented and firsthand examples that warrant discussion. Dismissing those examples without examining them doesn't address the underlying concern.

One example I personally witnessed was two SOC coaches discussing their quarterback after a state championship loss. One coach remarked, "We ain't winning one with this cat. I hope we get [player] to move in." While a single conversation does not prove systemic wrongdoing, it illustrates the mindset that many believe contributes to the issue.

There is information available for those willing to research it. I don't claim to have every piece of evidence compiled, but it's inaccurate to suggest there is no basis for these concerns. At the same time, it's equally unsupported to categorically state that these situations never occur. Both positions require evidence.

From my own experiences around these programs, I've spoken with coaches who have expressed frustration over the competitive imbalance they believe exists. The concern extends beyond one school and has been raised in discussions involving programs such as Denton Ryan, Argyle, DeSoto, and South Oak Cliff, among others. Their view is that some schools benefit from player movement in ways that place neighboring programs at a competitive disadvantage.

None of my comments are based on rumors or what I wish were true. They are based on firsthand observations, conversations with coaches, and concerns that have been expressed within the Texas high school football community. Those concerns were also reflected in the anonymous coach responses published in the Dave Campbell's Texas Football coaches survey, where coaches openly discussed transfer-related issues and competitive balance.

 

You produced exactly "nothing".  

[Matthew328]

50 minutes ago, CS. said:

I've raised this issue multiple times because I believe there are documented and firsthand examples that warrant discussion. Dismissing those examples without examining them doesn't address the underlying concern.

One example I personally witnessed was two SOC coaches discussing their quarterback after a state championship loss. One coach remarked, "We ain't winning one with this cat. I hope we get [player] to move in." While a single conversation does not prove systemic wrongdoing, it illustrates the mindset that many believe contributes to the issue.

There is information available for those willing to research it. I don't claim to have every piece of evidence compiled, but it's inaccurate to suggest there is no basis for these concerns. At the same time, it's equally unsupported to categorically state that these situations never occur. Both positions require evidence.

From my own experiences around these programs, I've spoken with coaches who have expressed frustration over the competitive imbalance they believe exists. The concern extends beyond one school and has been raised in discussions involving programs such as Denton Ryan, Argyle, DeSoto, and South Oak Cliff, among others. Their view is that some schools benefit from player movement in ways that place neighboring programs at a competitive disadvantage.

None of my comments are based on rumors or what I wish were true. They are based on firsthand observations, conversations with coaches, and concerns that have been expressed within the Texas high school football community. Those concerns were also reflected in the anonymous coach responses published in the Dave Campbell's Texas Football coaches survey, where coaches openly discussed transfer-related issues and competitive balance.

 

I think what you are pointing to is a system that absolutely has flaws and isnt perfect...the question remains how do you build a system in today's environment where open enrollment and charters exist and you dont punish kids who move legitimately AND would also hold up to inevitable court challenges..

[CS.]

23 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

I think what you are pointing to is a system that absolutely has flaws and isnt perfect...the question remains how do you build a system in today's environment where open enrollment and charters exist and you dont punish kids who move legitimately AND would also hold up to inevitable court challenges..

You create an open enrollment classification.  As stated before.

[CS.]

46 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

You produced exactly "nothing".  

In this thread?  No.  In previous ones, yes.  Plenty.  But what have you produced?  NOTHING>

[CS.]

[CS.]

Photos won't upload but - 2 more from Duncanville 

One from South Garland

One from Corsicana

[CS.]

four-star Baylor pledge Kamauryn Morgan will be playing defensive line for South Oak Cliff after leaving Red Oak

[CS.]

Reggie McNeals kid from Houston-

Dallas Skyline fella.  

Your turn Falcon.  You think they all moved for Academics at Oak Cliff? 

[CS.]

41 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

I think what you are pointing to is a system that absolutely has flaws and isnt perfect...the question remains how do you build a system in today's environment where open enrollment and charters exist and you dont punish kids who move legitimately AND would also hold up to inevitable court challenges..

I don't want kids punished.  Not at all.  I want to see an even playing field.  Create the new classification and be done with it.  SOC and others have shown that with the talent they bring in, they can compete with 6A schools.