ANOTHER ICE SHOOTING IN Minneapolis

[thetragichippy]

30 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Should we be that surprised? It is Austin.

What's that saying? "Keep Austin Weird".

I was so happy when UIL moved the state basketball tourney out of there to San Antonio.

Only thing good in Austin these days is Franklin BBQ and Austin City Limits music show.

Lol, I thought you were about to correct me on Elementary versus Middle school. I misspoke, but my opinion remains, that age should not be “protesting” - they also left the school grounds and walked down Congress. 

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, thetragichippy said:

Lol, I thought you were about to correct me on Elementary versus Middle school. I misspoke, but my opinion remains, that age should not be “protesting” - they also left the school grounds and walked down Congress. 

Problem is, it’s gone way beyond the ‘Let’s keep Austin weird’ stage & gone full-blown into too many teachers wanting to be full-time activists stage.

I still believe they should keep their personal views at home, or on their own time & their own dime.

I couldn’t tell you a thing about any of my teacher’s religious or political views. They never brought them to class.

[Big girl]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

Problem is, it’s gone way beyond the ‘Let’s keep Austin weird’ stage & gone full-blown into too many teachers wanting to be full-time activists stage.

I still believe they should keep their personal views at home, or on their own time & their own dime.

I couldn’t tell you a thing about any of my teacher’s religious or political views. They never brought them to class.

I agree  They should do on their own time

[DCT]

7 hours ago, Reagan said:

Why did the media, that promotes your philosophy, feel the need to photoshop this radical's picture?  

@UT alum  @Big girl  @DCT  @Boyz N Da Hood           Would love to hear your thoughts!

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Has the DOJ have a change of heart? 

[tvc184]

13 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

Sooooo, I’m in Austin driving down S Congress and pass a LIVELY ELEMENTARY school and these elementary age kids are holding a teacher approved Ice Protest. Cool if that is your thing, but that age holding up F Ice signs really shows what these kids are being taught…

I parked further down on Congress and they were let out to march down the street. As they passed they were screaming, they asked me if I supported ice….I said of course, and kids kept walking but an adult lady told me to kick rocks with curse words I’ve never heard of…..lol. So peaceful, it’s a wonder anyone gets hurt (sarcasm) 

That’s the new mantra of the left.

 Throwing an F bomb on any scenario shows just how angry they are!!

🤣

[baddog]

19 hours ago, baddog said:

I’ll go out on a limb. None of this is about ICE per se. It’s about resistance and control. The resistance is sponsored by the CCP. Find how the libs side with communists over real Americans. 

We all probably know someone, maybe even a family member, who fought and died fighting communism and here is how we repay their ultimate sacrifice……

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[Porter]

I believe Greg about covered it all. Amen

 

[LumRaiderFan]

2 hours ago, Porter said:

I believe Greg about covered it all. Amen

 

Spot on, he’s talking about lots of hypocrites in this country that are crying about radicals killed while interfering with law enforcement but couldn’t care less about victims of crimes at the hands of illegals.

[OlDawg]

Just read on Reuters that the Biden appointed U.S. Federal District Judge shot down Minnesota’s lawsuits against the Federal Government for the immigration enforcement surge.

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[Reagan]

15 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Just read on Reuters that the Biden appointed U.S. Federal District Judge shot down Minnesota’s lawsuits against the Federal Government for the immigration enforcement surge.

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If this Judge gets a request to meet with Hillary Clinton, we need to make sure she’s never available for that meeting!  😏😁

[tvc184]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

Just read on Reuters that the Biden appointed U.S. Federal District Judge shot down Minnesota’s lawsuits against the Federal Government for the immigration enforcement surge.

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At least she was smart enough not to go with her own opinion and accept the precedent.

From the article, the judge said that the Minnesota AG made a strong showing on shutting down the immigration operation… but noted that the appeals court has already ruled on a similar issue.

 

[tvc184]

52 minutes ago, Reagan said:

If this Judge gets a request to meet with Hillary Clinton, we need to make sure she’s never available for that meeting!  😏😁

She has no worry…… probably.

The judge didn’t side with Trump or immigration enforcement. She merely noted that the appeals court has already ruled. 

[Reagan]

 

 

[Reagan]

How "easily" we forget!

[OlDawg]

Swalwell’s Double Standard: Privacy for Politicians, Peril for ICE Officers

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[LumRaiderFan]

2 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Swalwell’s Double Standard: Privacy for Politicians, Peril for ICE Officers

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Worst of the worst, that guy.

[OlDawg]

Criminal Illegal Immigrant rams ICE Vehicle in St. Paul, Minnesota 

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24 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

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That’s the reality, these whistle blowing, horn honking fools are running interference for violent criminals.

smh

[Reagan]

Just heard Bill O’Reilly say that a large portion of the funding of these radical protesters are funds coming from China.  

[OlDawg]

11 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

That’s the reality, these whistle blowing, horn honking fools are running interference for violent criminals.

smh

My personal stance on this stuff has been pretty clear from the get go.

1. The Constitution and SCOTUS rulings guarantee the First Amendment Right to peaceably assemble & protest our government. This is NOT what's occurring in Minnesota. These are NOT peaceful assemblies. They are interference and harboring/abetting.
2. I do NOT like some of the technology and tactics being employed by some Immigration Enforcement Agents. I believe they are violating the 4th Amendment, and amount to warrantless searches.
3. I have no issues with face coverings on Immigration agents as long as they are required to wear 'always on' body cams that are checked out and in daily with their contents downloaded and reviewed and placed into a wearer's personal file to address any future legal questions, and/or for training purposes. The footage should be kept for a standard amount of time that's agreed to at the Federal level for Federal agents.
4. Officers/Agents should be required to wear more standardized uniforms, and use standard, easily labeled vehicles. If someone vandalizes them, they should be arrested, booked, and jailed. They should be forced to pay for damages before their release as part of their 'bond', or their wages should be able to be garnished for compensation.
5. The Administrative vs. Judicial warrant questions need to be addressed.
6. Immigration Officers/Agents should not be allowed to just randomly stop people and ask their citizenship status. The wearing of body cams should help eliminate some of these possible abuses.
7. Employers should be forced to use the I-9 system, and it needs to be integrated into a working, national database.
8. Sanctuary policies have to be stopped. This issue needs to go to SCOTUS on a fast track.

Just my thoughts, and have been the same since the beginning of this mess. Some of the groups organizing the protests that aren't peaceful are a side issue as are the individual shootings we've been discussing. But, I think it might be a good idea to have protesters have to get a permit before large gatherings that interfere with public venues/emergency egress/access where local law enforcement/emergency services can be prepared. This doesn't infringe on people's right to peaceably assemble & protest, and would seem to be a reasonable limitation for public safety.

Not all my thoughts are a solution. They may not even be workable, or legal. But, they're common sense to me as a person who respects our officers attempting to do their jobs while also protecting our civil liberties.

P.S. I don't like our teachers involving our kids in this stuff before they are of legal age at all. Period. We send our kids to school, and assume they're being protected in a safe environment. Not let out on the street to participate in these activities.

[baddog]

I believe these protesters have had way too much leeway with their “peaceful protests”. They have blocked ICE vehicles, thrown rocks at vehicles and agents, blocked entrances to Federal buildings, restaurants, hotels, and everything else imaginable. The liberals applaud their efforts and encourage more violence. The hypocrisy to all of this is…….don’t block the entrance to an abortion clinic where they rip babies from the womb, piece by piece. You will be sent to prison.

[tvc184]

31 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

My personal stance on this stuff has been pretty clear from the get go.

1. The Constitution and SCOTUS rulings guarantee the First Amendment Right to peaceably assemble & protest our government. This is NOT what's occurring in Minnesota. These are NOT peaceful assemblies. They are interference and harboring/abetting.
2. I do NOT like some of the technology and tactics being employed by some Immigration Enforcement Agents. I believe they are violating the 4th Amendment, and amount to warrantless searches.
3. I have no issues with face coverings on Immigration agents as long as they are required to wear 'always on' body cams that are checked out and in daily with their contents downloaded and reviewed and placed into a wearer's personal file to address any future legal questions, and/or for training purposes. The footage should be kept for a standard amount of time that's agreed to at the Federal level for Federal agents.
4. Officers/Agents should be required to wear more standardized uniforms, and use standard, easily labeled vehicles. If someone vandalizes them, they should be arrested, booked, and jailed. They should be forced to pay for damages before their release as part of their 'bond', or their wages should be able to be garnished for compensation.
5. The Administrative vs. Judicial warrant questions need to be addressed.
6. Immigration Officers/Agents should not be allowed to just randomly stop people and ask their citizenship status. The wearing of body cams should help eliminate some of these possible abuses.
7. Employers should be forced to use the I-9 system, and it needs to be integrated into a working, national database.
8. Sanctuary policies have to be stopped. This issue needs to go to SCOTUS on a fast track.

Just my thoughts, and have been the same since the beginning of this mess. Some of the groups organizing the protests that aren't peaceful are a side issue as are the individual shootings we've been discussing. But, I think it might be a good idea to have protesters have to get a permit before large gatherings that interfere with public venues/emergency egress/access where local law enforcement/emergency services can be prepared. This doesn't infringe on people's right to peaceably assemble & protest, and would seem to be a reasonable limitation for public safety.

Not all my thoughts are a solution. They may not even be workable, or legal. But, they're common sense to me as a person who respects our officers attempting to do their jobs while also protecting our civil liberties.

P.S. I don't like our teachers involving our kids in this stuff before they are of legal age at all. Period. We send our kids to school, and assume they're being protected in a safe environment. Not let out on the street to participate in these activities.

1. Yes. The Minnesota protests and others similar are not protected speech. They are criminal acts with some being a felony. People standing on the sidewalk and shouting their disapproval are not included but anyone that interferes with the law enforcement, any government operation or denying citizen access including blocking roads, trying to slow down government vehicles, etc., are committing a crime.

2.  Agree however, the Fourth Amendment doesn’t take a lot to reach reasonable suspicion for a detention but it requires at least some facts and circumstances. I am not sure what ICE/CBP are using as justification for detentions. It would have to be on a case by case basis and I never see enough to make a decision one way or the other. Certainly a policy itself can be wrong such as instructing agents that reasonable suspicion is not required. The Supreme Court disagrees,

3. Agree.

4.  Agree.

5.  Agree.

6. Agree. Actually ties into 2.

7. Agree.

8. Agree however, the Supreme Court can rule against sanctuary policies of states or cities but they have no legislative authority so cannot set penalties or judgments. Their only recourse in my opinion is to rule that sanctuary policies or laws might violate the Supremacy Clause. There then has to be a USC section making it a criminal and/or civil offense. Any enforcement action would have to be prosecuted by the DOJ. Is there such a law that specifically makes sanctuary state governments or political subdivision sanctuary actions an offense? If there isn’t, Congress surely isn’t going to pass one.

I agree that the children are being used as indoctrination pawns and it is despicable. 

[OlDawg]

28 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

8. Agree however, the Supreme Court can rule against sanctuary policies of states or cities but they have no legislative authority so cannot set penalties or judgments. Their only recourse in my opinion is to rule that sanctuary policies or laws might violate the Supremacy Clause. There then has to be a USC section making it a criminal and/or civil offense. Any enforcement action would have to be prosecuted by the DOJ. Is there such a law that specifically makes sanctuary state governments or political subdivision sanctuary actions an offense? If there isn’t, Congress surely isn’t going to pass one.

I would hope a SCOTUS ruling against sanctuary policies would provide cover for the Feds to deprive sanctuary municipalities/States of any Federal funding. Lower level judges have blocked some of these efforts, and have interfered with the Fed's only way to really enforce National Immigration policy.

[tvc184]

11 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

I would hope a SCOTUS ruling against sanctuary policies would provide cover for the Feds to deprive sanctuary municipalities/States of any Federal funding. Lower level judges have blocked some of these efforts, and have interfered with the Fed's only way to really enforce National Immigration policy.

I agree completely of the Supreme Court will allow executive orders to do so  

 If Trump can strip the states and cities from federal funding, that would be awesome. Let them put their money where their mouth is.