The gunman -- described as in his early 20s -- was armed with a rifle, a shotgun and a pistol, and police believe he fired from all three weapons

[thetragichippy]

34 minutes ago, Big girl said:

What do you mean?

That there is group of white people that feel guilty for slavery, and I find that odd since none of them are responsible.

[tvc184]

21 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

That there is group of white people that feel guilty for slavery, and I find that odd since none of them are responsible.

Is it any different than Blacks feeling responsible for slavery since most slaves were captured and sold by other Blacks in Africa?

 I wonder who is more to blame, the person that buys a slave or the person who captures a free person and offers him up for sale. 

When it comes to drugs people most often say, don’t blame the person who uses but the person who sells. Go after the dealer.

Before it is asked, I am not comparing drug use to slavery. Drugs are an inanimate object where people obviously aren’t. The buy and sell for the free enterprise system is the same however.

So when the White and evil slave traders showed up and wanted to buy some slaves and the head of a tribe answered, hang on, we will go round up some people for you, was either more to blame?

Most slave trade from Africa could have been shut down in Africa by the tribal leaders.

So who today should feel guilty for being on either side of the system? 

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

I wonder who is more to blame, the person that buys a slave or the person who captures a free person and offers him up for sale. 

That has always been my argument.....but it is never a popular question

[Big girl]

1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

Is it any different than Blacks feeling responsible for slavery since most slaves were captured and sold by other Blacks in Africa?

 I wonder who is more to blame, the person that buys a slave or the person who captures a free person and offers him up for sale. 

When it comes to drugs people most often say, don’t blame the person who uses but the person who sells. Go after the dealer.

Before it is asked, I am not comparing drug use to slavery. Drugs are an inanimate object where people obviously aren’t. The buy and sell for the free enterprise system is the same however.

So when the White and evil slave traders showed up and wanted to buy some slaves and the head of a tribe answered, hang on, we will go round up some people for you, was either more to blame?

Most slave trade from Africa could have been shut down in Africa by the tribal leaders.

So who today should feel guilty for being on either side of the system? 

There were only a small percentage captured by Blacks from my understanding. It still doesn't make it right.

[Big girl]

23 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

That there is group of white people that feel guilty for slavery, and I find that odd since none of them are responsible.

Ok.

[Big girl]

7 minutes ago, Big girl said:

There were only a small percentage captured by Blacks from my understanding. It still doesn't make it right.

I was wrong. Both are equally responsible. If someone offered to sale a baby to me, i would decline

The Role of Africans and African-Europeans

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  The initial capture of people in Africa was largely carried out by Africans and African-European traders who held complex trading alliances and networks. 

   
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  These traders operated as the essential first step, providing the enslaved people to the European traders who then transported them across the Atlantic. 

   

European Involvement

• Purchasing Captives:

  European traders bought most enslaved people from African and African-European dealers rather than capturing them directly. 

   
• Direct Captures:

  Some European traders did participate in direct raids along the coast to capture people, but this was not the primary method. 

[baddog]

The slave trade was global. Only in America do they think they are owed. Thanks for admitting you are wrong. 

[Big girl]

39 minutes ago, baddog said:

The slave trade was global. Only in America do they think they are owed. Thanks for admitting you are wrong. 

Atlantic Slave Trade

[thetragichippy]

2 hours ago, Big girl said:

I was wrong. Both are equally responsible. If someone offered to sale a baby to me, i would decline

I agree, however times were different back then and that makes a difference. 

Recent examples:

- when I was young I legally stood up in the front seat next to my Dad driving. 

-I also slept on top the back dash when we traveled (legally)

-I was never put in a car seat

-My Mom smoked while she was pregnant (DR had no problem with it, he smoked too)

-Parents smokes in the house and cars.....2nd hand smoke

All those things changed for the better, as we, as a civilization  learned and improved...but they were all terribly wrong. 

My Son never rode in a vehicle without a car seat, then age appropriate seat belt.