Treasonous Conspiracy!

[baddog]

44 minutes ago, UT alum said:

I have a hard time listening

Agree

[Reagan]

8 hours ago, baddog said:

You are correct. It is called sedition. I will use my terms accordingly.

"Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution defines treason against the United States as either levying war against them or giving aid and comfort to their enemies. It also states that a person can only be convicted of treason based on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or a confession in open court, and Congress has the power to declare the punishment for treason."

This levying war, not only war but the courts have used rebellion also, could be with bullets are actions taken by individuals against the US (rebellion) through subterfuge.  I would think that what obama and his cronies did to sabotage a Presidency and have attempted coup against a sitting President could possibly defined an act of war.   I did a little research.  Examples:

Based on available records, treason convictions in the U.S. have almost always occurred during or in connection with recognized wars or rebellions that courts treated as equivalent to "levying war." For example:

Whiskey Rebellion (1794): Two individuals, John Mitchell and Philip Weigel, were convicted of treason for their roles in an armed uprising against federal tax collection in Pennsylvania. This was not a war with a foreign enemy but an internal rebellion, interpreted as "levying war" against the United States. Both were pardoned by President George Washington.

Aaron Burr’s Conspiracy (1807): Burr was tried for treason for allegedly plotting to seize territory and form a separate nation. The Supreme Court, under Chief Justice John Marshall, acquitted Burr, ruling that conspiracy alone did not constitute "levying war" unless there was an actual assemblage of armed forces. This case, though not resulting in a conviction, occurred outside a formal war and clarified that treason requires overt acts, not just planning.

Shays’ Rebellion (1786-1787): John Bly and Charles Rose were convicted of treason and hanged for participating in an armed uprising in Massachusetts against state authorities. This was prosecuted under state law, not federal, and occurred before the U.S. Constitution was ratified, but it was considered "levying war" against the state.

Thomas Dorr (1844): Dorr was convicted of treason against Rhode Island for leading an armed attempt to overthrow the state government during the Dorr Rebellion, a non-war context involving a dispute over suffrage. He was sentenced to life in prison.

John Brown (1859): Brown was convicted of treason against Virginia for his raid on Harpers Ferry, an attempt to incite a slave rebellion. This was prosecuted under state law and occurred in a non-war context, though it was treated as "levying war" against the state.

While state-level convictions like those of Dorr and Brown occurred in non-war contexts (rebellions treated as "levying war" against the state), federal treason convictions have consistently been tied to wartime or rebellion scenarios.

So, yes, either treason or sedition can be used concerning obama and others.

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

"Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution defines treason against the United States as either levying war against them or giving aid and comfort to their enemies. It also states that a person can only be convicted of treason based on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or a confession in open court, and Congress has the power to declare the punishment for treason."

This levying war, not only war but the courts have used rebellion also, could be with bullets are actions taken by individuals against the US (rebellion) through subterfuge.  I would think that what obama and his cronies did to sabotage a Presidency and have attempted coup against a sitting President could possibly defined an act of war.   I did a little research.  Examples:

Based on available records, treason convictions in the U.S. have almost always occurred during or in connection with recognized wars or rebellions that courts treated as equivalent to "levying war." For example:

Whiskey Rebellion (1794): Two individuals, John Mitchell and Philip Weigel, were convicted of treason for their roles in an armed uprising against federal tax collection in Pennsylvania. This was not a war with a foreign enemy but an internal rebellion, interpreted as "levying war" against the United States. Both were pardoned by President George Washington.

Aaron Burr’s Conspiracy (1807): Burr was tried for treason for allegedly plotting to seize territory and form a separate nation. The Supreme Court, under Chief Justice John Marshall, acquitted Burr, ruling that conspiracy alone did not constitute "levying war" unless there was an actual assemblage of armed forces. This case, though not resulting in a conviction, occurred outside a formal war and clarified that treason requires overt acts, not just planning.

Shays’ Rebellion (1786-1787): John Bly and Charles Rose were convicted of treason and hanged for participating in an armed uprising in Massachusetts against state authorities. This was prosecuted under state law, not federal, and occurred before the U.S. Constitution was ratified, but it was considered "levying war" against the state.

Thomas Dorr (1844): Dorr was convicted of treason against Rhode Island for leading an armed attempt to overthrow the state government during the Dorr Rebellion, a non-war context involving a dispute over suffrage. He was sentenced to life in prison.

John Brown (1859): Brown was convicted of treason against Virginia for his raid on Harpers Ferry, an attempt to incite a slave rebellion. This was prosecuted under state law and occurred in a non-war context, though it was treated as "levying war" against the state.

While state-level convictions like those of Dorr and Brown occurred in non-war contexts (rebellions treated as "levying war" against the state), federal treason convictions have consistently been tied to wartime or rebellion scenarios.

So, yes, either treason or sedition can be used concerning obama and others.

SCOTUS has ruled that motives can’t be questioned for official acts of a POTUS. This was an official act by Obama. It wasn’t an attack on America itself. It was a political hit job. Very different.

This doesn’t mean others are protected in the same fashion as the SCOTUS ruling only applies to POTUS. But, I still don’t see treason or sedition being applied. I could see some type of falsifying documents charge for those involved besides Obama.

Only the far right fringe would say differently. Just another flashy object that continues to help erode the people’s trust in their government.

Trump would do well to take away all their security clearances immediately which is in his authority. I believe he already has for Brennan. Not sure on others. I’d also make sure Obama (and Clinton/s) was not allowed any classified info. He’s a simple civilian now like the rest of us.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

Funny how ppl claim to be libertarian, yet defend damn near every move the right makes... sinks that whole "i chose the candidate who aligns best with my views" or the big Ole "lesser of the 2 evils"!

America is doomed, blame Obama Biden Conald or whoever... doubt anytime in my lifetime this country will be united. The right is MAGA or get out, even legal ppl. Left pushes nonsense and can't figure it out...

yet common sense folks won't neither, blessed to say I work my azz off for mine and dont depend on whoever is in office to get me through... if i want it ima go work for it... both parties divide and conquer and the likes of many on this site want us to get on board with their master lol! 

Ready for Midterms! Get some new ppl in office

[5GallonBucket]

46 minutes ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

Funny how ppl claim to be libertarian, yet defend damn near every move the right makes... sinks that whole "i chose the candidate who aligns best with my views" or the big Ole "lesser of the 2 evils"!

America is doomed, blame Obama Biden Conald or whoever... doubt anytime in my lifetime this country will be united. The right is MAGA or get out, even legal ppl. Left pushes nonsense and can't figure it out...

yet common sense folks won't neither, blessed to say I work my azz off for mine and dont depend on whoever is in office to get me through... if i want it ima go work for it... both parties divide and conquer and the likes of many on this site want us to get on board with their master lol! 

Ready for Midterms! Get some new ppl in office

Do you have anyone in mind that aligns 100% to you and your beliefs….if so please share

[Boyz N Da Hood]

3 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Do you have anyone in mind that aligns 100% to you and your beliefs….if so please share

Definitely not 100%!!.. to say hillary,biden, Kamala or conald is anything close and the best America has to offer is honestly sad... lifelong politicians "pedo joe" as he was called, bankrupt felons. Womanizers etc

All a joke

[Boyz N Da Hood]

7 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Do you have anyone in mind that aligns 100% to you and your beliefs….if so please share

I personally like candidates from either side who stands up against their party and stand their ground... (very rare) 

Usually within no time they're on board after they get their backroom kickbacks..

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

Funny how ppl claim to be libertarian, yet defend damn near every move the right makes... sinks that whole "i chose the candidate who aligns best with my views" or the big Ole "lesser of the 2 evils"!

America is doomed, blame Obama Biden Conald or whoever... doubt anytime in my lifetime this country will be united. The right is MAGA or get out, even legal ppl. Left pushes nonsense and can't figure it out...

yet common sense folks won't neither, blessed to say I work my azz off for mine and dont depend on whoever is in office to get me through... if i want it ima go work for it... both parties divide and conquer and the likes of many on this site want us to get on board with their master lol! 

Ready for Midterms! Get some new ppl in office

Libertarians align more closely with conservatives as far as government is concerned. Shouldn’t be surprising at all.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

3 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Libertarians align more closely with conservatives as far as government is concerned. Shouldn’t be surprising at all.

Very surprising! Conservatives today are not really "Conservative" 

Fiscally Conservative? OBBB, they're excited bout adding debt lol

Midterms should be interesting. Hopefully gridlock

[OlDawg]

22 minutes ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

Very surprising! Conservatives today are not really "Conservative" 

Fiscally Conservative? OBBB, they're excited bout adding debt lol

Midterms should be interesting. Hopefully gridlock

As has been said by others, both sides spend too much. But, the Freedom Caucus—which aligns closest to a limited government/libertarian view—had to be promised more clawbacks to get their support for the OBBB.

So, one side is fighting to maintain government control over almost every segment of our lives, and the other side is at least making an attempt to return to federalism.

It’s not really a hard choice right now. Might not be ideal. But, a clear difference.

Gridlock is typically good. But, it won’t help shrink the deficit—if that’s your concern. It would just maintain status quo.

If OBBB hadn’t passed, our economy very likely would have gone into a recession because of the tax increases.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

37 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

As has been said by others, both sides spend too much. But, the Freedom Caucus—which aligns closest to a limited government/libertarian view—had to be promised more clawbacks to get their support for the OBBB.

So, one side is fighting to maintain government control over almost every segment of our lives, and the other side is at least making an attempt to return to federalism.

It’s not really a hard choice right now. Might not be ideal. But, a clear difference.

Gridlock is typically good. But, it won’t help shrink the deficit—if that’s your concern. It would just maintain status quo.

If OBBB hadn’t passed, our economy very likely would have gone into a recession because of the tax increases.

I respect your view and opinion... as you've stated on here multiple times u didn't vote. Same with me. You'd think if it was a no brainer one would go vote right? 

Gridlock is definitely good, no it wouldn't shrink deficit. Above it all it wouldn't add to the deficit which is obviously better than the alternative!

Add debt to keep us out of recession... smart SMDH

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

to say hillary,biden, Kamala or conald is anything close and the best America has to offer is honestly sad... lifelong politicians "pedo joe" as he was called, bankrupt felons. Womanizers etc

Good Morning - Trump was not a lifelong politician. 

1 hour ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

I personally like candidates from either side who stands up against their party and stand their ground... (very rare) 

Based on your above quote you should of voted for Trump in 2016. He was accused of not being a Republican. He stood up against the Republican party, and he certainly stands his ground. He is not afraid to call someone out. 

The country may be divided,  which is really debatable considering he is the first Republican since Regan to win the popular vote. 

[OlDawg]

5 minutes ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

I respect your view and opinion... as you've stated on here multiple times u didn't vote. Same with me. You'd think if it was a no brainer one would go vote right? 

Gridlock is definitely good, no it wouldn't shrink deficit. Above it all it wouldn't add to the deficit which is obviously better than the alternative!

Add debt to keep us out of recession... smart SMDH

Some of the debt was ‘supposedly added’ because of parliamentarian rules not allowing some of the offsetting cuts. I say ‘supposedly’ because CBO uses static numbers & doesn’t calculate in possible growth due to cuts in regulation, onshoring, and other investments. It’s been proven throughout American history that lower taxes ALWAYS returns more money to the government’s coffers.

[baddog]

I think it is pathetic that individuals who went after Trump with fabricated lies to undermine his presidency got away with it until now. I think it even more pathetic how many Americans were duped into believing it with the help of MSM. People will allow their hatred for one man to override their logical thinking and be a part of the division of this country. You believed these lies and have no remorse for being part of it, yet you will post on social media about your concerns for America. Only scoundrels can attempt such hypocrisy. 
 

I lived through Watergate and watched it consume my tv for months, including Nixon’s impeachment. I was young and didn’t realize how important it really was and the effect it had on my country. Looking back, Nixon should have been jailed, not simply allowed to step down. Obama, Hillary, and all involved in this hoax should get severe sentences. The truly sad part is that no democrats ever questioned anything. All were in lockstep to “GET TRUMP”and it has infected all of their followers. Smoke and mirrors is very effective for those weak minded enough not to question, and blinded by hate.

[thetragichippy]

17 minutes ago, baddog said:

I think it is pathetic that individuals who went after Trump with fabricated lies to undermine his presidency got away with it until now.

It is hard to predict history, but here is what I think.

There are true historians. I think 10-20 years down the line Trump will be studied more than most Presidents. He totally changed how politics is done. One thing that sticks out to me is his use of twitter. Initially, most, if not all politicians thought twitter was unprofessional.  Trump received a lot of hate for using twitter, and especially how rude and direct he was.  Well, 5-6 years later, all politicians use twitter and most of them are rude and direct. 

I think the studies will uncover the dishonesty of the Obama administration, along with the bad apples of the FBI and DOJ.....While Obama and Hillary will never see criminal charges, I believe their legacy will be about the scandal and Trump, and not about any of the "good" things they may have accomplished......and to me, that is Karma....... and the fact it has to do with Trump, that is like double karma......

[Reagan]

 

GENERAL MIKE FLYNN: Obama knew Trump won and immediately moved to sabotage him.

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, thetragichippy said:

It is hard to predict history, but here is what I think.

There are true historians. I think 10-20 years down the line Trump will be studied more than most Presidents. He totally changed how politics is done. One thing that sticks out to me is his use of twitter. Initially, most, if not all politicians thought twitter was unprofessional.  Trump received a lot of hate for using twitter, and especially how rude and direct he was.  Well, 5-6 years later, all politicians use twitter and most of them are rude and direct. 

I think the studies will uncover the dishonesty of the Obama administration, along with the bad apples of the FBI and DOJ.....While Obama and Hillary will never see criminal charges, I believe their legacy will be about the scandal and Trump, and not about any of the "good" things they may have accomplished......and to me, that is Karma....... and the fact it has to do with Trump, that is like double karma......

I hope history will remember Trump more for resetting world trade. That would mean his tariff gambit worked, the U.S. remained the economic juggernaut with the standard for currency, and the American people were better off from a security, employment, and personal financial position.

I’m relearning Spanish to help me stay sharp—not Mandarin.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

I hope this isn't a Hillary 2.0! If nothing comes about this who was really duped? Guess we'll see. Pretty sure i know how this will end. 

[Reagan]

Obama’s Real Legacy Comes into Focus.  

From the article:  

"Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard set off fireworks on Friday when she accused former president Barack Obama of organizing a coup d’état against his successor.  Summarizing the damning evidence in her possession, Gabbard concluded, “These documents detail a treasonous conspiracy by officials at the highest levels of the Obama White House to subvert the will of the American people.”

Treason is a capital offense with no statute of limitations.  So consider how explosive Gabbard’s allegations are.  The senior official in charge of all American Intelligence is stating unequivocally that Obama and his loyal subordinates sabotaged the peaceful transfer of presidential power in 2016, betrayed the American people, and made war against the legitimate government of the United States.  Gabbard just dropped the “Mother of All Bombs” on Obama’s White House syndicate, the Intelligence Community, and the globalist Deep State."

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[Reagan]

 

Good one!

[thetragichippy]

37 minutes ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

I hope this isn't a Hillary 2.0! If nothing comes about this who was really duped? Guess we'll see. Pretty sure i know how this will end. 

It will be interesting. If nothing legal happens, the documents are there for the historians to tell how everything went down. I believe legacy's will be changed more than criminal charges.  The only real chance we have is some lying to congress and that will get the low hanging fruit....

Now there is a possibility to get Durham to reopen his special council, since he investigated it originally and see if these documents add something that he could then prove some criminal acts....

[OlDawg]

9 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

It will be interesting. If nothing legal happens, the documents are there for the historians to tell how everything went down. I believe legacy's will be changed more than criminal charges.  The only real chance we have is some lying to congress and that will get the low hanging fruit....

Now there is a possibility to get Durham to reopen his special council, since he investigated it originally and see if these documents add something that he could then prove some criminal acts....

Falsifying documents is a VERY serious charge. It seems this could be easily proven with the documents available. Much easier than a treason/sedition type charge which would tear the country apart.

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[baddog]

14 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

It will be interesting. If nothing legal happens, the documents are there for the historians to tell how everything went down. I believe legacy's will be changed more than criminal charges.  The only real chance we have is some lying to congress and that will get the low hanging fruit....

Now there is a possibility to get Durham to reopen his special council, since he investigated it originally and see if these documents add something that he could then prove some criminal acts....

They even have e-mails. They should have asked for Hillary’s help. She deleted over 33,000. I still can’t believe that. All these people duped into thinking Trump stole the election, yet criticized Trump for saying Biden stole it. How pathetic.